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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 14, 2006 17:00:17 GMT -5
Rom, I write this with all sincerity and love...I think you have been turned over to a reporbate mind through your idolatry. There is nothing we can say on here that will steer you towards the Real Truth. I will be praying for you...
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 17:11:48 GMT -5
Thank you revk, maybe you are right, maybe I have over complicated things for myself and for others on this site.
But my IDOL is GOD, that I am sure of.
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 17:36:46 GMT -5
I just have one request to ask of everyone on this site: Don't be satisfied in pointing out my sins, because I can easily do the same, but be satisfied that we all experienced God in his true essence by participating in a debate for him. Now maybe I am wrong completely, I hope that revk prays hard for me so that I can realize whether I am wrong or not, I hope all of you pray for me no matter what, as I will pray for all of you too, cause in the end, we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
But for anyone who truly feels that they are doing Christ's will, they will realize that they have to carry a large cross and go through much discomfort.....but that is ok, for the reward is great and much more meaniful than any gift on earth, heaven is the home for those who see Christ's true light.
So ask yourself this question, are you truly comfortable with yourself right now? If you answer yes, then you are not gonna go to heaven, for are satisfaction in not on this earth, but at the hand of God in heaven.
Challenge yourself and others everyday, put your crown of thorns, get nailed to the cross, feel temporary pain, its ok, for we are in this earth for just a moment, a moment which leads to God.
That is what I truly believe, that is what I am: a sorrow servant of God, who is hopeful for forgiveness.
I love God with all my mind, with all my soul, with all my body and with all of the good in me.
If anyone wants to argue with me on this, then maybe you are the one who needs help.
God bless us all
I hope I leave you all in peace, and I pray for you as I wish for you to pray for me.
-Rom
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 18:01:51 GMT -5
Sorry, one more quote before I go to my school work:
"For you see your calling, brethern, that not many wise according to ths flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence"
- 1 Corinthians 1:26-29
I really think that this word of God is necessary to bring up, it nicely summerizes all we have been talking about on this message board.
PS I wish I could read the Bible all the time instead of these stupid engineering text books....lol
-Rom
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Post by Miles Lewis on Jan 14, 2006 19:00:20 GMT -5
I know I kinda came into this thread a little later than the others, but I was curious about this statement you made...
Are you saying that God would not be neutral and exclude someone? If someone did answer yes, where would they go?
Always challenging homeostasis,
Miles
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 19:35:14 GMT -5
Hey Miles,
Thanks for the message.
Homeostasis is a biological word, describing my pH or body temperature, I'd rather use the word natural & balanced.
To go to what you asked now: "If someone did answer yes, where would they go?"
Based on my knowing of the Bible and my life situations, I realized that for every moment I felt satisfied with something, there was always something about to happen to make me feel otherwise. God is always challenging our earthly comfort.
Let me re-state this quote:
"For you see your calling, brethern, that not many wise according to ths flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence"
- 1 Corinthians 1:26-29
You, Miles, are playing out the law of God, you have discomforted me in the will of God to re-challenge my satisifaction on this message board and my opinions of my 'ego'.
That is why I usually write in the end of my emails, I expect opposition, for God continues to dis-comfort us on earthly things, so we can return to the comfort of heavenly things.
Hence, why you don't see a Hurst towing a U-Hual
Cheers
-Rom
PS, if you want to repond to me in anyway, negative or not, make sure its worth making me deviate from my studies....so speak only from your soul.
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 19:42:14 GMT -5
By the way Miles Lewis,
you are completely brilliant, i can tell, i usually hang out with brilliant people
i wish i could sit down and have a coffee and really talk to you, its really hard for us to talk on this message board
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Post by Miles Lewis on Jan 14, 2006 20:48:00 GMT -5
Rom, Thank you for the compliments, ironically, I actually don't even have a high school diploma. The verse you quoted about "God using the foolish things of this world to confound the wise..." is a verse that means a lot me. I too wish we could sit over a cup of coffee and wax philisophical, it is difficult to talk on a message board. Perhaps one day we will meet in Toronto. I am one of Jesse's partners in crime and he expressed a lot of interest in returning one day to that campus.
Straight from the soul,
Miles
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 20:58:03 GMT -5
you don't need a diploma to speak the truth
and believe me, just cause you are not formally educated, doesn't mean you are not a Genius man of God. In my mensa meetings, I talk with people who are professors and people who are truck drivers, and some are unemployeed and who are on welfare.
please get my personal email from Jesse. I hope you and i can share emails often and share our knowledge of our great Lord Jesus Christ.
God Bless you
And I feel the prayers people have been sending me.
-Rom
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 21:24:38 GMT -5
Sorry, I never answered your questions from before:
Do you feel that you have the truth?
If you have truth and someone completely rejects your ideas, does that make them incorrect in their belief?
Where do you get your information from?
How do you know that to be true?
Lastly, what if you are wrong?
I also appreciate you coming on here and discussing what you believe.
Contending earnesty,
Miles
END QUOTE
ok, to answer your questions with my soul, and not my logical mind:
1. Do you feel that you have the truth?
I know I have the knowledge of the Bible, hence the teaching of God as Christ. I also have the experiences of life. Because Christ is the turth and because experienced life to the fullest degree, then YES, I do feel I have the truth.
2. If you have truth and someone completely rejects your ideas, does that make them incorrect in their belief?
For God even tempts the wise with the foolish. That's all I have to say to that.
3. Where do you get your information from?
Reading the Bible, going to church and looking for the voice of Christ in people.
4. How do you know that to be true?
I get it from the Bible and the Bible is the book of truth.
5. Lastly, what if you are wrong?
If I am wrong, then I will expreience the truth through others and by further seeking the Word of God. I continue till the day I die to feel that I live in unsatisfaction to God, for I want to profess that I am not perfect yet until the day of judgement.
SO if I am wrong, that is ok, I still have sight and I still have mind, I can read and think and think and think and think......never satisfied until the day I die. For God tells us to seek the truth and spread it, I feel like I want to seek and teach continously...exploring God's endless love.
I hope my answers make sense.
-Rom
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Post by alex on Jan 14, 2006 21:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 21:56:38 GMT -5
Great Sermon, any others you recommend? Here goes another night of Bible reading and praying.....
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Post by Rom on Jan 14, 2006 22:28:17 GMT -5
I came across this cute poem a child wrote on the internet:
I'm just a NOBODY Telling EVERYBODY About SOMEBODY Who can save ANYBODY!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 15, 2006 0:07:14 GMT -5
Rom,
I know you used to be an atheist. When did you change your belief? How long have you been reading the bible?
Hmm.... I certainly can't recall saying AIDS was punishment for homosexuality, though that might be what Romans 1 means when it says they recieve in their flesh their just punishment which was due them. I do recall someone asking me what was wrong with homosexuality. My response was that it simply doesn't work. God's way always works and is for our best interest. But homosexuals die at the average age of 45 of AIDS or some other STD, and that is certainly not God's best for man!!
So I was using AIDS as an incentive to not engage in homosexual acts. And of course the God given incentive is hell-fire. God must punish all sin.
So I was calling homosexuals, even in Canada, to repent and live through Jesus Christ.
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Post by Messenger Micah on Jan 15, 2006 0:58:02 GMT -5
Good job Jesse about telling homosexuals they are wrong and headed for hell unless they repent. Especially in the homo land of Canada where homo marriages are legal.
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Post by Rom on Jan 15, 2006 8:01:36 GMT -5
Believe me, I have homosexuals dislikes all the same as you, just that fact that you approched them in a way that made you use your head rather than your soul to deal with their problems....that's the problem.
Then again, their are prostitutes and hookers who also might die at the age of 45, due to disease, my cousin died of 22 of liekiemia, he wasn't Gay, he wasn't a smoker, and he wasn't really a 'bad' person. I would like to assume there was
Look, I don't think your reasoning is wrong, but I tend to always look at the big picture myself, what in your opinion that has caused the majority of Africans to not only have AIDS, but to have hunger and thirst. Why aren't the Gay people in Toronto suffering from thirst and hunger as well? That's my reason for not pointing my fingers yet.
But ultimately, my reasoning for knowing that homosexuality is wrong, with or without thinking about my conscience or my soul........look at the effects of mother-nature = there is not chance that two sperms are gonna concieve an embryo!
Even mother nature hates Gays! lol (Use that in your sermon)
But heak you might get a smart cookie who would respond to you and say that Gay people can adopt, and yes, that is valid and yes you can argue that too.
The point is, if you want to approach the homosexuals as one big problem, you are gonna really have to look deeper that a few quotes in the Bible to really understand why.
My threory on the whole hunger thing in Africa: there are enough domesticated pets in the world, that if everyone would let the animals back into the wild where they belong and instead take in the adoption of a hungry/thirsty child, and spend just the same amount of money as they would on pet food and vet care, they would probabally ultimately end the problem in Africa....that's my threory....I haven't calculated any figuers and I haven't thought about it too much, but I think that's reason enough to re-visit our stance on global problems and really thnk that the true global problem is not acting in the grace of salvation for the Lord Jesus Christ.
BYtw, I was pissed the day gays were allowed to get married in Canada........makes me really scratch my head.
Anyhow,
Jesse, I hope you understand why I said what I said about your comments on Gays.
God Bless
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Post by Messenger Micah on Jan 15, 2006 10:49:26 GMT -5
Rom,
I am glad you are admitting homosex is wrong and a perversion of nature. Why then did you oppose Jesse comments against it in a previous post?
I think we finally got a spiritual pulse on you Rom.
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Post by Rom on Jan 15, 2006 11:44:41 GMT -5
Why did I oppose Jesse?
Cause God has the power to provide us with knowledge, and I have the knowledge to realize that Jesse intentions were pure and holy, but he forgot to demostrate pure understanding of his fellow man.
I am glad you have a spiritual pulse on me, I really hope that you now realize my overall argument. Although initially it seems alot of people on this board were confused by me, that is ok, I get confused of others all time.
I did ask people to pray for me and you all did I hope, and the fact that you feel a spiritual pulse proves that your prayer's worked.
I think it's necessary for us to look at life and situations in its entireity. And realize that this 'quarrel' is a testiment to God's Love.
"Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel againts any, even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."
- Colossians 3:13
If I had confused or struck any one on this site in a such a way that it may hurt you, I deeply ask and stand in mercy for your forgivness. And I too forgive anyone who stands in the mercy of Christ.
Thank you
-Rom
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 15, 2006 17:25:39 GMT -5
AH HA! You said it yourself. You were in opposition to me. You were not in the middle, you were in opposition.
You know what I think? I think that some oppose it but they don't really know why. They come and see how everyone is opposed to it, because they have some sin they are holding onto, and they end up just going along with the flow. We think, "well, if everyone is against him he must be doing something wrong".
Rom, I would say that I did understand my fellow man. I understood what they believed, and stated that it was wrong. I understood what they loved, and said it was evil. I dont think it's the understanding people are against, but the conclusions based on the understandings.
But if you meant tolerant when you said understanding, your right. I was not tolerant of sinners. God does not tolerate sin, and neither should we. We must rid ourselves and our societies of sin.
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Post by Rom on Jan 15, 2006 21:41:22 GMT -5
"Only with pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom."
- Proverbs 13:10
Brothers and sisters on this message board:
I have brought much contention, debate and argument to this site. I brought the IDOL of my ego with me too. After much prayer and reading the Bible, I finally realize that I was forgetting to drop my 'ego'. And trusting in God to speak for me.
I hope all of us can embrace in what we talked about on here. I thank God for what we have learned and I hope to continue in discussions like these to further advance our knowledge and understanding of our Lord.
Without my ego and with God,
Rom
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jan 18, 2006 15:28:14 GMT -5
I had a thought I would like to share with you. I read this awhile back and have thought about it some. You spoke of a "gap" when touching a mirror. This is only applicable with speaking of a 'regular' mirror. Have you ever done this with a two-way mirror? If you have you will notice that there will not appear to be a 'gap.' It will seem at though it is touching. (btw a two-way mirror is what would be in an investigation room so the police can watch) That is how you can tell if a mirror is a two-way mirror or a 'regular' mirror.
I may be wrong but it could be possible that you are looking into a 'regular' mirror ie only looking to yourself. If you look into a two-way mirror you see your reflection but you also know that someone is watching from the other side ie God. We must examine all our thought (in the mirror) but not forget that it is God who also sees and we will be judged (including our theology)according to His word.
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Post by Rom on Jan 18, 2006 18:30:10 GMT -5
you are smart preachparsley, rather, you are a true man of God, like all of you on this site are anyways.
thats what i was looking for, the fact that you can think about mirrors and not be limited by just regular mirrors, but that mirrors can go on and on about reflecting ourselves......etc
just a riddle about explaining how simple everyday things can teach us so much about God.
cool eh!
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