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Post by messengermicah on Feb 9, 2006 15:38:17 GMT -5
I am curious if Steve Noel and Rick B. were able to meet each other preaching at the Super Bowl. I thought I remember reading something about where you said you would see each other there.
From what I have read I do not think Steve would have a problem preaching with Calvinists, but I wonder if Rick would have a problem preaching with Arminians. Would you have a problem with this Rick? How about preaching with someone who did not believe in original sin?
Just curious.
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Post by Steve Noel on Feb 9, 2006 16:36:35 GMT -5
Rick was not able to come to the SuperBowl outreach. We did have an awesome time though. We handed out 35,000 + tracks in two days. I wasn't there on Friday night, but I guess they did OA for 4 hours. Saturday was very cold and nasty, but we were out there for around 7 hours. We mainly handed out tracts because it was hard to get people to stop in the nasty weather. If you want to see some of the pic's you can check them out at: www.wereoutthere.us/supergallery/default.htm Steve
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Post by messengermicah on Feb 9, 2006 17:31:41 GMT -5
Thanks brother. I have read reports from several friends of mine who were preaching out there (Ruben Israel, Michael Venyah). Did you see them out there?
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Post by Steve Noel on Feb 9, 2006 17:35:37 GMT -5
I didn't run into them, but I know that some from our team did.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Feb 12, 2006 16:20:25 GMT -5
Hey, I've preached with Rick B a number of times and he is a great brother. I believe that he even has some audio clips on www.fieldpreacher.com under resources of some of his first times open air preaching.
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Post by messengermicah on Feb 12, 2006 22:18:12 GMT -5
I have no doubt he is a great brother. I was wondering if he would preach with people who differed with him theologically (Arminian, Pelagian). From what I have read from your posts you seem to be a mixture. You do not believe in OSAS, but do believe in predestination. From what I read you seem to be leaning towards disagreeing with the doctrine of original sin.
I have no problem preaching with people who are Calvinistic in doctrine. I wondered if Rick B. would have a problem with preaching with Arminians (probably not), or people who do not believe in original sin (probably) because he seems to feel it is of utmost importance.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Feb 16, 2006 16:51:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I used to be pretty much totally reformed in theology. I only listened to one side and I got the impression that Calvinism was for people who had a brain, and if you weren't reformed then you were simply ignorant. I never actually looked into any other theology. While I knew the Bible was pretty clear that salvation was conditional, I didn't know anyone who actually believed that so I was hesitant to make it a part of my doctrine. I just tried to explain away "those verses" to try to fit my theology. I also used to believe that deep doctrinal discussions were not very important and should be avoided. It has been a process but I am now much more concerned about having a sound theology. If you were to look through old posts of mine you will certainly see a mixture, mainly because I wasn't too sure on different doctrines. The truth is, if you reject one petal of the "TULIP" the whole flower dies. In the light of plain verses, Limited atonement I can no longer accept. Because of plain verses I can't really accept Unconditional eternal security. While I believe that man is pretty much totally depraved, I wouldn't necesarrily believe it the same way Calvin did. I think God's grace IS resistable and I haven't made up my mind too much on predestination. I certainly believe God knows the end from the beginning, I don't think God is the author of sin even though he knew from the beginnig how it would be. I can go along with according to forknowledge He predestines people to be saved. Still hammering it out though. While I haven't read much Arminian writings, I guess I woulds say that I am now pretty much (uh oh.. here it comes...) Arminian in my theology. I would like to read more Wesely. As far as holiness doctrine I say this, "Sinless perfection/entire sanctification/complete repentance/ HOLINESS is the easiest doctrine to defend biblically, yet the most opposed doctrine I know of... simply because most people's experience doesn't line up with what the Bible says." I think this doctrine is rejected often for a few reasons and possibly Calvinism could be to blame; Original Sin used an excuse that it is impossible to stop sinning. OSAS so who cares how I live my life. And the simple fact that people love sin. I think that fact that people think spiritual gifts have ceased is because of similar reasons to their opposition to holiness... their experience does not line up with the Bible. I believe in spiritual gifts... all of them. While I personally have never spoken in tongues, I still believe in them. I would love to speak in tongues, but I know that that is not the focus. I don't claim to be a prophet but I believe God still gives specific words of knowledge to his people today. The same goes for healing and miracles. While I haven't seen a lot of them I believe in them first because the Bible and then because of personal experience. I guess that is where I stand right now on some of the more controversial doctines. I am certainly open to the possibility that I could be wrong in lots of things. I suppose there is a reason why there are certain doctrines that have been debated for years and years. Lots of people have made pretty good cases for both sides of any issue. In heaven we will all know for sure, but untill then, lets stand firm on the things we do agree on and keep seeking and saving the lost.
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Post by messengermicah on Feb 16, 2006 17:00:36 GMT -5
Thanks for that post. I enjoyed reading it.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Feb 16, 2006 17:08:30 GMT -5
I'm glad you enjoyed reading. It was painful to write. LOL... JK. Any bit of Calvinism I had left in me I pretty much let go of (much to the dismay of my reformed brothers I'm sure). I usually tend to avoid posting in doctrine debates when they get heated. I try to really adhere to the proverb that says, "a fool speaks all that in on his mind but a wise man holds it in till afterwards." I guess I held it in long enough. ;D By the way Micah, I have really enjoyed your posts. You have helped me form some of my own doctinal beliefs.
Miles
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Post by messengermicah on Feb 16, 2006 22:52:45 GMT -5
Wow. Thank you and praise God.
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Post by michael on Mar 6, 2006 2:35:41 GMT -5
Miles, I enjoyed reading the post as well. You are very wise for your age. It is evident that you are truly seeking God and want to be His ambassador. Keep working to 'rightly divide the word of truth.'
Michael McGrath
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