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Apr 13, 2006 0:30:06 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 13, 2006 0:30:06 GMT -5
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Apr 13, 2006 17:56:00 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 17:56:00 GMT -5
Cheers! You found some guy on the internet who made a less than par equivalent to Dante's Inferno.
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Apr 13, 2006 18:54:44 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 13, 2006 18:54:44 GMT -5
Cheers! You found some guy on the internet who made a less than par equivalent to Dante's Inferno. My dad got shot in the head a few years ago and died on the way to the hospital in a helicopter. He was totally brain dead. He then came back to life and when he came home he told us that he had seen hell when he had died. I didn't really believe him or think much of it but my brother and I have been doing a little research and we have found numerous people who have had the same experience and they all say the SAME EXACT THING. Coincidence? I think not.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:05:07 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 19:05:07 GMT -5
Cheers! You found some guy on the internet who made a less than par equivalent to Dante's Inferno. My dad got shot in the head a few years ago and died on the way to the hospital in a helicopter. He was totally brain dead. He then came back to life and when he came home he told us that he had seen hell when he had died. I didn't really believe him or think much of it but my brother and I have been doing a little research and we have found numerous people who have had the same experience and they all say the SAME EXACT THING. Coincidence? I think not. "...understood as a result of neurobiological mechanisms, related to such factors as anomalous temporal-lobe functioning, epilepsy, compression of the optic nerve (as a cause of the tunnel sensation), chemical changes in the brain related to serotonin and endorphins, and general changes in brain functioning (Mauro, 1992; Britton and Bootzin, 2004). The similarities amongst the experiences of the many documented cases of NDE may be understood to signify that the pathology of the brain during the dying and reviving process is more or less the same in all humans, as suggested by Russian specialist Dr. Vladimir Negovsky in his book Clinical Death As Seen by Reanimator (Pravda, 2004)." Your post had very little to do with the topic. If you wanted some more info on NDE, I posted some.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:05:27 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 19:05:27 GMT -5
Also, I don't believe you. Post a news clipping.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:11:13 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 13, 2006 19:11:13 GMT -5
You don't have to believe me. I will not lie. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire (hell) Rev.21:8. I don't have a news clipping I was in elementary school. As for your research, I was a neuroscience major, it was a nice try to explain it away though.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:21:18 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 19:21:18 GMT -5
You don't have to believe me. I will not lie. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire (hell) Rev.21:8. I don't have a news clipping I was in elementary school. As for your research, I was a neuroscience major, it was a nice try to explain it away though. Bob Jones University... Quit lying. You were never a neuroscience major either. You are a terrible human being.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:22:09 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 19:22:09 GMT -5
Hey, I used to live in Goleta. Where are you from?
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Apr 13, 2006 19:23:04 GMT -5
Post by Evan on Apr 13, 2006 19:23:04 GMT -5
Duncan Campbell had a vision of hell
Drsocc, Hell is where you will be going, because you have broken God's law and deserve it. But if you repent(turn from all sin) and trust in Jesus then you can be saved. Apart from that God has done all He can do, you have to choose to accept the sacrifice.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:28:32 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 19:28:32 GMT -5
Duncan Campbell had a vision of hell Drsocc, Hell is where you will be going, because you have broken God's law and deserve it. But if you repent(turn from all sin) and trust in Jesus then you can be saved. Apart from that God has done all He can do, you have to choose to accept the sacrifice. A part. Unless you mean to say that I should be apart from god. Who are you to judge whether or not I will be going to hell? Get off your high horse.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:29:48 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 13, 2006 19:29:48 GMT -5
Hey, I used to live in Goleta. Where are you from? That does not surprise me! You speak like you are from Santa Barbara. I go to Westmont College in Montecito. No I am not rich, and No I do not agree with everything my school supports. I actually was, I used to be obsessed with Neuroscience. I don't know if you know what brain dead is but that would make that research invalid. Just thought I would point that out. If you go to freecdtracts.com there are a few more testimonies about people who had seen hell, I am not sure I agree with everyone of them doctrinally but I believe what they say they saw. I think there is one on there of a man who was actually in the morgue part of the hospital when he came back. He was not dreaming...the doctors had said he was dead dead.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:32:12 GMT -5
Post by Evan on Apr 13, 2006 19:32:12 GMT -5
God has judged you guilty already. Have you lied? Have you stolen? Have you lusted? "All have sinned..." You are included in all people. What I meant is apart from the sacrifice of Jesus, God will not do anything for your salvation. The only way to heaven is Jesus. God has done all he can for you. He sent his son to die in yur place. You have to repent and trust him.
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Apr 13, 2006 19:33:16 GMT -5
Post by drsocc on Apr 13, 2006 19:33:16 GMT -5
Hey, I used to live in Goleta. Where are you from? That does not surprise me! You speak like you are from Santa Barbara. I go to Westmont College in Montecito. No I am not rich, and No I do not agree with everything my school supports. I actually was, I used to be obsessed with Neuroscience. I don't know if you know what brain dead is but that would make that research invalid. Just thought I would point that out. If you go to freecdtracts.com there are a few more testimonies about people who had seen hell, I am not sure I agree with everyone of them doctrinally but I believe what they say they saw. I think there is one on there of a man who was actually in the morgue part of the hospital when he came back. He was not dreaming...the doctors had said he was dead dead. Yeah, I've read about that stuff. Its pretty creepy. I'll quit trolling your thread now.
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Apr 14, 2006 7:15:05 GMT -5
Post by jonathanhulewicz on Apr 14, 2006 7:15:05 GMT -5
I find it hard to beleive anyone who say that they have a vision of what hell is or even heaven.
The bible gives a clear description of hell so why do we need extra biblical revelation for? Why does God choose only certain people to see a glimpse of hell and not others?
Late last year the richest Australian died. Just before his death he stated that he had a vision. This is what he said:
'The good news is that there is no devil, the bad news is that there is no heaven.'
After death the bible warns of a JUDGEMENT (Hebrews 9:27). No one can die and have a vision of the afterlife and come back to life again. Period.
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Apr 14, 2006 14:02:28 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 14, 2006 14:02:28 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe anyone who say that they have a vision of what hell is or even heaven. The bible gives a clear description of hell so why do we need extra biblical revelation for? Why does God choose only certain people to see a glimpse of hell and not others? Late last year the richest Australian died. Just before his death he stated that he had a vision. This is what he said: 'The good news is that there is no devil, the bad news is that there is no heaven.' After death the bible warns of a JUDGEMENT (Hebrews 9:27). No one can die and have a vision of the afterlife and come back to life again. Period. I totally understand what you are saying, I would never ask anyone to blindly believe this. Paul said this: 2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. 2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) 2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. If these people are lying then their testimonies will not correlate with scripture. I encourage you to listen to the entire thing and compare it with the Bible. If it lines up then it would not be wrong to say it is true, if it doesn't then throw it out. At least listen to the whole thing and test it for yourself. Proverbs 18:13 says "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." For anyone who is doubting, please listen and test it against the Bible. Just a disclaimer, there are many people who claim to have died and many people who claim to have seen things that are not Biblical. Those are lies from hell. You said this man had a vision before he died, how can he see the afterlife if he was not dead?
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Apr 14, 2006 17:30:50 GMT -5
Post by jonathanhulewicz on Apr 14, 2006 17:30:50 GMT -5
He claimed that he was clinically dead for 4 hours and that is when he had his vision.
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Apr 14, 2006 18:34:11 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 14, 2006 18:34:11 GMT -5
He claimed that he was clinically dead for 4 hours and that is when he had his vision. I don't know anything about this person or what they saw, If they were in a hospital or not or whatever. I do know what my dad saw, and what hundreds of others saw. I have looked into this a lot and found them all to agree with each other. I am not talking about those who saw something unbiblical. There are hundreds of people who have seen the hell that the Bible describes. I was thinking about this and was considering If all these were false and from Satan then why do the people who who speak of these things preach the same gospel that you do? Why do they preach salvation through Jesus Christ and the necessity of repentance if they are from Satan? Why do they warn sinners about the reality of hell and the wages of sin if they are from Satan? Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
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Apr 17, 2006 3:44:01 GMT -5
Post by jonathanhulewicz on Apr 17, 2006 3:44:01 GMT -5
I think we need to agree to disagree on this subject. The reason why I find it difficult to believe is becasue it is contradictory to Scripture (even if the visions are biblical).
Here are two examples:
1) 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment' (Hebrews 9:27). If people say they die then have a vision of hell and come back to life again this contradicts the above verse. Either scripture or experience.
2) Luke 16:22-31. The rich man went to hell and stayed there. He begged God to send someone back to warn his family. God said 'if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.' Again its either scripture or experience.
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Apr 17, 2006 8:00:03 GMT -5
Post by Kerrigan on Apr 17, 2006 8:00:03 GMT -5
I think we need to agree to disagree on this subject. The reason why I find it difficult to believe is becasue it is contradictory to Scripture (even if the visions are biblical). Here are two examples: 1) 'And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment' (Hebrews 9:27). If people say they die then have a vision of hell and come back to life again this contradicts the above verse. Either scripture or experience. 2) Luke 16:22-31. The rich man went to hell and stayed there. He begged God to send someone back to warn his family. God said 'if they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.' Again its either scripture or experience. Here's the thing Jonathan, people have been "dead" or clinically "dead" and been brought back to life many times. There is a video somewhere in which a Christian Doctor talks about this. Wish I knew the reference, because he explains everything very well in light of Hebrews 9:27. Lazarus had been in his tomb for four days when Jesus rose him from the grave...
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Apr 17, 2006 8:30:45 GMT -5
Post by Morluna on Apr 17, 2006 8:30:45 GMT -5
Heh. I think this guy was paid by some preachers to stir up and frighten non-believers.
Or he's just crazy... or he had a hallucination... or he was abducted by some very angry and hateful aliens.
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Apr 17, 2006 10:03:42 GMT -5
Post by Josh Parsley on Apr 17, 2006 10:03:42 GMT -5
Rev, was it called "To Hell and Back?" I think I have seen what you are talking about. I don't remember the title for sure.
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Apr 17, 2006 11:32:23 GMT -5
Post by Kerrigan on Apr 17, 2006 11:32:23 GMT -5
Rev, was it called "To Hell and Back?" I think I have seen what you are talking about. I don't remember the title for sure. Yeah it was something to that nature...I watched it back when I had Sky Angel Network. It was on one of the Christian Channels
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Apr 18, 2006 2:15:08 GMT -5
Post by jonathanhulewicz on Apr 18, 2006 2:15:08 GMT -5
RevK, Jesus is no longer physically with us raising the dead. The raising of Lazarus had a clear purpose which I'm sure we are all aware of.
Believers do not require confirmation of the existence of heaven/hell. So these alleged visits to heaven/hell I presume are therefore aimed at non-believers. Why should a non-believer believe the testimony of a christian and not the testimony of one of Australia's richest men (Kerry Packer) who claimed to have died and not seen any heaven or hell?
The question we need to ask is were these people are really dead? I have discussed the matter with my father who is also a christian doctor and has performed thousands of autopsies and gives expert testimony in courts about the pathological aspects of death. He assures me that the term 'clinically dead' is a term used by the media and non medical people to describe a state in which a person's heart has stopped (cardiac arrest) and the person lapses into unconsciousness. The fact that they recover after resuscitation clearly indicates that they were not dead. If this is not the case then it's possible that my father has committed thousands of murders on 'clinically dead' people. He as a doctor believes that death occurs when the soul/spirit departs from the body. When that happens no amount of resuscitation/resurrection will bring the person back to life. Lack of oxygen to the brain or demonic influences are the most likely explanations for these visitations to heaven/hell.
Let's stick to scripture and not extra-biblical revelations.
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Apr 18, 2006 12:49:17 GMT -5
Post by Josh Parsley on Apr 18, 2006 12:49:17 GMT -5
Where does it say that now that Jesus is not here in physical form there can not be someone raised from the dead? I think you are using extra-biblical revelations to come to that conclusion.
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Apr 20, 2006 3:07:19 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 20, 2006 3:07:19 GMT -5
RevK, Jesus is no longer physically with us raising the dead. The raising of Lazarus had a clear purpose which I'm sure we are all aware of. Believers do not require confirmation of the existence of heaven/hell. So these alleged visits to heaven/hell I presume are therefore aimed at non-believers. Why should a non-believer believe the testimony of a christian and not the testimony of one of Australia's richest men (Kerry Packer) who claimed to have died and not seen any heaven or hell? The question we need to ask is were these people are really dead? I have discussed the matter with my father who is also a christian doctor and has performed thousands of autopsies and gives expert testimony in courts about the pathological aspects of death. He assures me that the term 'clinically dead' is a term used by the media and non medical people to describe a state in which a person's heart has stopped (cardiac arrest) and the person lapses into unconsciousness. The fact that they recover after resuscitation clearly indicates that they were not dead. If this is not the case then it's possible that my father has committed thousands of murders on 'clinically dead' people. He as a doctor believes that death occurs when the soul/spirit departs from the body. When that happens no amount of resuscitation/resurrection will bring the person back to life. Lack of oxygen to the brain or demonic influences are the most likely explanations for these visitations to heaven/hell. Let's stick to scripture and not extra-biblical revelations. how would your father explain how someone who was brain dead came back to life? This is the case with my father and many other people.
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Apr 20, 2006 3:09:25 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 20, 2006 3:09:25 GMT -5
also, again how would you explain the fact that these people are saying the same things and that they are speaking against Satan and not for him. They are preaching the same gospel as you are and people have gotten saved because of their testimones. Satan would not cause people to see hell in order fo rthem to preach the gospel! A house divided against itself cannot stand.
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Apr 20, 2006 9:49:58 GMT -5
Post by tonyholland on Apr 20, 2006 9:49:58 GMT -5
or he was abducted by some very angry and hateful aliens. Only Morluna would find the idea of this guy being abducted by angry aliens more reasonable than the idea of Hell ;D I'm teasing you Morluna
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Apr 20, 2006 11:30:30 GMT -5
Post by Morluna on Apr 20, 2006 11:30:30 GMT -5
Heeeeeeyyyy...
Heheh, I don't see any reason why aliens would be that angry... but not any less likely than demons. ^_-
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Apr 23, 2006 11:06:29 GMT -5
Post by biblethumper on Apr 23, 2006 11:06:29 GMT -5
Hey ejuilot, have you seen the new BJ Mckelvie Testimony about hell on freecdtracts? I interviewed him a while ago and freecdtracts posted the file.... listen to it! I had the firsthand experience of speaking with BK and he is now a trusted friend (we come from the same place actually) and i KNOW that hell is a real place; testimonies such as these only confirm it!
Blessings in Jesus
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Apr 23, 2006 13:35:08 GMT -5
Post by ejuliot on Apr 23, 2006 13:35:08 GMT -5
Hey ejuilot, have you seen the new BK Mckelvie Testimony about hell on freecdtracts? I interviewed him a while ago and freecdtracts posted the file.... listen to it! I had the firsthand experience of speaking with BK and he is now a trusted friend (we come from the same place actually) and i KNOW that hell is a real place; testimonies such as these only confirm it! Blessings in Jesus I am not sure I have but I will listen to it. Thanks!
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