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Post by biblethumper on Apr 24, 2006 20:41:19 GMT -5
I logged off today to get some overdue work done, and the conviction of some of my posts came into my thoughts like a lightening flash.
I actually had the sense of eternity come over me and that I would be held accountable for every single word I have written, spoken or thought of.
That thought and feeling was sobering.
That said, I'm going to have to be much more careful in my posts as I know that I'm going to stand before God for my words.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 24, 2006 21:47:09 GMT -5
I logged off today to get some overdue work done, and the conviction of some of my posts came into my thoughts like a lightening flash. I actually had the sense of eternity come over me and that I would be held accountable for every single word I have written, spoken or thought of. That thought and feeling was sobering. That said, I'm going to have to be much more careful in my posts as I know that I'm going to stand before God for my words. Good to hear that you are sobered-up now Thumper. Is there something in particular that you've said that you are ashamed of?
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Post by biblethumper on Apr 25, 2006 7:33:35 GMT -5
No, Trekker, nothing I've said am I ashamed of What I am fearful of is that I allow myself to become entagled in debates brought on by the enemy and not by sincere Brethren seeking to debate for the purpose of learning. There is a vast difference in discussion with the aim of seeing a heart changed than in debating with the aim of "being right". Lastly, I did not "sober up" but the Lord made it clear to me in this issue that there is an enemy seeking to cause His People to walk in strife. I wash my hands from such people.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 25, 2006 8:23:32 GMT -5
No, Trekker, nothing I've said am I ashamed of What I am fearful of is that I allow myself to become entagled in debates brought on by the enemy and not by sincere Brethren seeking to debate for the purpose of learning. There is a vast difference in discussion with the aim of seeing a heart changed than in debating with the aim of "being right". Lastly, I did not "sober up" but the Lord made it clear to me in this issue that there is an enemy seeking to cause His People to walk in strife. I wash my hands from such people. Oh, well I'm glad you clarified that. I was kind of afraid that I had shaken your foundations. Of course, that is what it's about isn't it. You are afraid of debating "non-believers" because we might be able to destablize your faith. That is not the object of my posts. However, when you claim to have seven degrees, yet no logical arguementation skills, I think I can understand why you would be fearful of your god's judgement. Where did you get your seven degrees anyway? Furthermore, with seven degrees, you must be in high demand. I wonder what your research was in. Was it perhaps social justice? Interreligious understanding? Christian thought and philosophy? And I agree with you. There is a large difference between the goal of seeing a heart changed and one of being right. Usually it is the people who want to change hearts that are convinced of being right, so convinced that they will ignore facts and logical arguments. Debates aren't about being right. They are about defending a conclusion. I did not approach your argument with thoughts of ripping your arguments to threads so that I could be "right." I entered the debate to form, back up, and validate/defend a conclusion. Winning the debate does not give me pleasure for being right, it gives me pleasure to know that I am able to make rational arguments and defend that which I believe, but in that process of debating, I actually learn. For me, learning is extremely important, and I will do it until the day I die. I don't debate people so that I can be right. I debate people so that my both knowledge of how other's see the world and my understanding of myself is increased. If you want to change my heart, you can start by addressing the factual arguments I made in the other thread. If you don't care about the eternal condition of my soul, you can run away from the argument. You can ignore my valid points and instead hurl insults at other posters. Oh, and I apologize. I thought your use of the gerund "sobering," which is defined as something tending to make more sober was actually intended to reflect the idea that you had become more sober. And I know that you are not talking about alcohol, I am not either, nor was I. Are you walking in strife? Have you noticed that there really are people walking in strife? I mean real strife, not just the disappointment that comes from losing a debate (well, you didn't so much lose as chicken-out). You know, the "least among us," those who are homeless, those maimed or injured in our senseless war, those who hunger, those who thirst? I wish I could wash my hands of those people too. But I can't. If I don't speak up, nothing will change. But you are responsible too. If you enjoy the benefits of affluence, you too are implicated in the oppression of those who are poor. And I am not being high and mighty. I do not absolve myself of guilt. But I want to change the system. What are you doing to help those walking in real strife? Has the Lord made it clear on that issue? There are far more requirements about social justice in the Bible than there are about condemnation. I thought that would have been pretty clear to you.
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Post by biblethumper on Apr 25, 2006 10:40:22 GMT -5
Trekker: 1- You didn't shake the foundations of my Faith; your arguments only serve to strengthen my grasp of Biblical inerrancy 2- I put to use my educational stamina and own a modest sized CRA company with a handful of employees with one office here in canada and one in the UK (so far) which caters to the Christian Community 3- I don't mind losing debates; however, I didn't "lose" and neither did you..... I prefer to stay away from debates that gender endless questions with no sight in end 4- You assume I don't "care for your soul"; I feel sad for you.The greatest care one can have is prayer, Trekker. 5- Rationalism is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it, Trekker? Your rationale, in my view, is a rational which lacks applicable wisdom in the gathering of factual information from sources which are unbiased and have no secondary agenda. 6- I was once in the position of thought you're presently in; I know, from experience, that such debates and arguments don't accomplish much without the leading ofthe Holy Spirit, so I'll back up and let Him do HIS job, as I'm not well equipped in changing lives
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Post by valentine on Apr 25, 2006 16:59:50 GMT -5
Wow. Congrats. This is seriously the most creative way of chickening out that I've ever seen. 3- I don't mind losing debates; however, I didn't "lose" and neither did you..... I prefer to stay away from debates that gender endless questions with no sight in end Then don't enter them. Don't come into a thread with "evidence," support it with invalid reasoning, tell us we are wrong, and expect not to get a response. Please. We all know why you aren't answering our responses. And it's "engender." "Gender" refers to characteristics and identity brought about from sociocultural influences on an individual. But since you have seven degrees and I don't, I guess you can use whichever words you want.
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Post by biblethumper on Apr 25, 2006 17:32:03 GMT -5
hehe you're right; I did use "gender" rather than "en" blah my bad
Valentine.... since you know why I'm not answering your q's, why keep pressing the issue?
Are you afraid you may be incorrect, that I may simply have no desire to debate it out with the offspring of Liberalism, which cannot, never ever has and nor will ever believe truth apart from the Grace of God alone?
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Post by lancejgoz on Apr 30, 2006 0:40:28 GMT -5
Valentine.... since you know why I'm not answering your q's, why keep pressing the issue? Are you afraid you may be incorrect, that I may simply have no desire to debate it out with the offspring of Liberalism, which cannot, never ever has and nor will ever believe truth apart from the Grace of God alone? Okay, let me just point something out... "Which cannot never ever has..." is a double negative which means that the offspring of Liberalism have and will believe truth. as for the next phrase which says, "apart from the Grace of God alone" do you mean that you believe in truth that is apart from the Grace of God which stands to explain why your truth is flawed. Basically it is because you base your truth not on God but what you were told and taught as a child or maybe you have just chosen to have faith in un-Godly answers to serious hard hitting questions. However, based on what I have read from your replies you will most likely ignore this message, or if you don’t you will possibly claim that I don't have the spirit of God in me and your justification will be because I don't think like you do. Which I will respond with a comment similar to something like the following: Anybody who passes judgment on another who is different tends to sound kind of communistic and Hitler-ish person. Cause man we need to be questioning everything for if Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are correct the end times are around the corner and the bible says that the enemy will strike when we least expect it. It also will come to us as if it were our friend and many will believe in the evil one for the evil one will claim to know scripture but if you don't read your bible like many "good Christians" I know don't they will be lead astray... who knows maybe all the bible thumpers in the world have been mislead already and us questioning liberals are the only true Christians... what a paradox that would be... and to think about it not many Liberal Christians I know are out and about casting judgment stones on others as I see some religious individuals of the conservative movement doing. Wait I mean Neo-Conservative... I must make it known there is a difference.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 30, 2006 14:39:04 GMT -5
Hahah, I saw a bumper sticker today that said, "What exactly are Conservatives conserving?"
Gave me a good chuckle.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 30, 2006 20:18:22 GMT -5
Hahah, I saw a bumper sticker today that said, "What exactly are Conservatives conserving?" Gave me a good chuckle. Sperm. Thank God, I mean, do we want them to procreate?
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