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Post by Josh Parsley on May 3, 2006 15:05:08 GMT -5
I have been hearing several people on the street tell me this. Where on earth are people getting this? I have never heard of this before. Has anyone else been told this? The first person that told me this I thought he was just crazy, then a few more people have said this too....
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 3, 2006 15:12:56 GMT -5
hahaha yes I've heard it many times over the years. I think it's absurd. I never could figure out why they say that. It's possibly something they have heard on Comedy Central. And as we know, our society believes just about anything the TV says.
I've also heard that "King James wrote the bible and he was a homosexual!" I often ask them why the King James version has much stronger words against homosexuality then any other translation, since King James was a homosexual? Wouldn't he have written the bible condoning homosexuality rather then strongly condemning it?
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Post by tomah on May 3, 2006 15:16:13 GMT -5
lol...I dunno! I was in a bookshop in L.A. and I lifted a book about 'bible myths'. I randomly opened to a page that was trying to prove that the 'stranger' Jacob wrestled with was Esau!! I just placed the book back and thought to myself..."only in America!"
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 3, 2006 15:17:01 GMT -5
Yeah! I get the KJ was a homo too. HAHA good to know I'm not the only one getting that. I thought maybe that was something local.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 3, 2006 15:19:28 GMT -5
The evil imaginations of unholy men never seem to cease.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on May 3, 2006 15:27:17 GMT -5
And many base the accusation that King James was a homosexual from a SINGLE poem that he wrote.
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Post by Morluna on May 3, 2006 17:45:33 GMT -5
I've never heard the thing about King James being gay.. I don't know if that has any merit...
I have heard the theory that Shakespeare may have touched up Biblical texts to make the KJV though. Pft, who knows... I've never seen any real evidence to support it... but apparently some study found that the language was eerily similar. But there's that theory about all of Shakespeare's writings having been written by Marlowe anyway, so maybe Marlowe wrote it and said Shakespeare wrote it who said so and so wrote it... lol, it never ends!
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Post by biblethumper on May 3, 2006 17:46:07 GMT -5
The KJV was comissioned by the king but the work was done by 57 translators proficient in the ancient languages
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 3, 2006 19:47:04 GMT -5
You mean....old English? ;D
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Post by Morluna on May 3, 2006 23:08:03 GMT -5
You mean....old English? ;D Um.. no. I mean the word choice, the writing style... supposedly it has the same feel as many of Shake Man's (my nickname for Shakespeare.. long story) writings. I personally find this silly because Shake Man (heehee) had many many numerous writing styles. One of the most interesting things about him was that his writing style could vary so much from one piece to another. And Old English had long since given way to Middle English and early Elizabethan forms of speech by then, so no.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 6, 2006 22:59:08 GMT -5
i think its possible, but i doubt its credible. i think what most secularists are driving at is that its ridiculous to put blind faith in a text that was written over two thousand years ago. besides, corrupt christians over the years may have had a hand in revising the bible, or there is a linguistic possibility that as language evolves so do the meaning of words and so forth. there is a lot of debate concentrating on the authenticity of the bible. after all, what good is it to trust in a manuscript that has been translated thousands of times, especially if you do not know the native (written) language of your own religion: hebrew/greek, not latin. not english...
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on May 7, 2006 2:05:55 GMT -5
The world would come up with any lie to try and attack God's Word.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 7, 2006 3:08:26 GMT -5
the world is to blame for the fault of religious extremists who create lies to make their ideologies prosper? hah, hardly... have you ever considered that the apostles of christ fabricated everything after the death of christ? consider the disciples: they were called fishermen, but most were intelligent...and all were extremely devout jews. this means they were raised with a complete knowledge of their religious background, and of religious texts. how do you validate prophecy?
you write is as a true event. the disciples merely established what the prophecy concurred, and there you have it: a new world religion -- christianity. the people that followed, such as paul and other biblical writers in the new testament, never met or knew christ...the only ones you take the world of are the apostles.
the apostles were extremist jews who only believed in two things: a) that all jews should be liberated from the romans. b)that the messiah prophesied in jewish texts would bring a sword, thus freeing them from their persecutors--the romans.
this all matches, and makes perfect sense.
jesus of nazareth dies, and his body is stolen by his disciples. within seventy-five years of his death, the four gospels are written...
you say only the world would conceive such a lie about god, but only a fool would believe in something so blindly.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 8, 2006 10:34:20 GMT -5
Who would die for a lie, knowing it was a lie?
How would them stealing his body fulfill either one of those things?
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 8, 2006 11:39:02 GMT -5
seriously...?
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Post by Grant on May 8, 2006 16:08:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised people still try to use this conspiracy theory.
"More than a Carpenter" (if memory serves correctly) is a book by a guy who tried to disprove Jesus as the Christ (one of many people with the same results). He was a lawyer wanting to prove Christians this was all fake, a hoax. As he investigated the facts, secular facts, such as Egyptian and Roman records of the time eras, he was in awe by the truthfulness of the Bible. Even recordings of thousands of miracles by Jesus seen by thousands as well. Then the thousands of eye witnesses being still alive when the gospels were written without disputing the content. Oh, there are books proving Jesus and what He did... so was He a liar? a lunatic? or Lord? and with all the facts, he couldn't have been the first two.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 9, 2006 7:46:52 GMT -5
i went to a magic show and witnessed a man put a sword through the gizzard of a little old lady, and upon pulling it out there was no blood, not a scratch...but i distinctly saw that he did it. a miracle, i tell you, a miracle! i read book that said dragons and leprechauns are real. wow, must be true...
grant, i apologize for the extensive sarcasm, but you know very well that everything you said is a weak argument. i do agree there is historical representation, and other facts, proving the existence of jesus of nazareth, but there is also facts proving he does not. the problem is weeding out myth from truth, and fact from fiction...and saying its true simply because you are a christian who reads the bible is not good enough.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 9, 2006 7:54:05 GMT -5
What facts support that he did not exist? I have heard a lot of people say this. I would like to know where it comes from. Are their any articles you can link to?
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 10, 2006 20:40:17 GMT -5
ah, yeah, i try to avoid using 'facts prove' because there are no facts in religion. no, i cannot link anything to you, because it is an opinion to you--and vice versa.
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Post by wkufan on May 12, 2006 12:21:28 GMT -5
But there's that theory about all of Shakespeare's writings having been written by Marlowe anyway It was Sir Francis Bacon. Shakespeare just ripped him off.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 25, 2008 12:34:21 GMT -5
Years later...... I found a clue to why people say that Shakespeare wrote the KJV. See the below quote: Though not one of the translators, William Shakespeare was called in as a consultant on the poetry of the Psalms. In appreciation of his contribution, the translators decided to honor the poet in a unique yet cryptic way. If you turn to Psalm 46 in the King James or the New King James Versions, then count down forty-six words, you will meet the word "shake." Count up forty-six words from the end and you will meet the word "spear." Also, in February 1611 when the King James Version was first published, Shakespeare (1546-1616) was forty-six years old. (He would turn forty-seven in April of that year). The four forty-sixes are simply too many to be coincidental, so the story must be true (Arthur L. Farstad. The New King James Version in the Great Tradition. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1993, p.23).
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