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Post by monochromatic on May 13, 2006 23:15:01 GMT -5
No one can deny that the Beatles had a huge influence on secular music and indirectly on modern praise music.
Since this is a random area, I am curious what are everyone's thoughts on these four young men?
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Post by Morluna on May 13, 2006 23:23:09 GMT -5
Really now... must you ask? ^_^
Hahah, I promise I did not just make this banner because I saw this thread... I was just making it now anyway. How ironic. ;D
Actually, I've never been that into the group's music, but I'm a HUUUUUGE fan of Lennon's solo work. Ask Vally... she'll tell you all about my freaky teenie bopper-esque dreams in which I run into John at a peace rally and we fall madly in love. True story. Heh, screw Yoko, he's mine. xDDD Lol, jk guys... jk... nothin' but love for Yoko.
But yeah. Obviously, I love them/him. Secular or what have you.
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Post by monochromatic on May 13, 2006 23:25:32 GMT -5
Okay here is why I ask.
They had such a huge influence on music. No doubts there.
But as CHRISTIANS should we accept that, knowing that they were communist, drug using, satanic, fog-breathers?
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Post by Morluna on May 13, 2006 23:26:59 GMT -5
Okay here is why I ask. They had such a huge influence on music. No doubts there. But as CHRISTIANS should we accept that, knowing that they were communist, drug using, satanic, fog-breathers? YAAAAY COMMUNISM!!! *frolicks* I mean.. erm... crap Bush might be listening... to the internets. xD
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on May 14, 2006 1:50:47 GMT -5
They hated the Lord Jesus Christ.
John Lennon stated that Jesus Christ was 'a garlic eating Jewish BEEP'
I think that answers your question.
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Post by messengermicah on May 14, 2006 7:35:08 GMT -5
Oh my! So John Lennon was anti-semetic huh? I knew he was in hell but did not know he was a bigot also.
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Post by Morluna on May 15, 2006 11:24:55 GMT -5
... Lennon was NOT an anti-semite. He just had a lot of problems with the tyrany of organized religion in general, and rightfully so in my opinion.
I've never heard that quote before... and I would be interested to know the context of it...
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Post by tomah on May 15, 2006 15:19:40 GMT -5
Their music says enough about whether they should be listened to - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (LSD - the drug) The chorus of a song had 'Hallelujah' sung in the background until a certain bit and then they changed it to 'Harry Chrishna' Strawberry Fields Forever was called so because when people shoot drugs, the needles leave marks on the arms. Drug adicts call these red marks "strawberry fields"
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Post by Morluna on May 16, 2006 1:46:01 GMT -5
Their music says enough about whether they should be listened to - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (LSD - the drug) The chorus of a song had 'Hallelujah' sung in the background until a certain bit and then they changed it to 'Harry Chrishna' Strawberry Fields Forever was called so because when people shoot drugs, the needles leave marks on the arms. Drug adicts call these red marks "strawberry fields" It's "Krishna" I don't really see what their references to drug usage have to do with whether they were good/bad people or not... but that's probably because of fundamental differences in my beliefs as opposed to yours. You see drug users as "sinners" and I don't.
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Post by wkufan on May 16, 2006 1:53:07 GMT -5
You see drug users as "sinners" and I don't. 1 Corinthians 6:9 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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Post by Grant on May 16, 2006 4:03:14 GMT -5
The Bible is VERY clear about this...
The word pharmakeia translated to "sorcery" or "witchcraft" means to use drugs to induce a religious experience. Gal 5:20-21 says they will not inherrit the kingdom of God.
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 5:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by cervyy on May 16, 2006 9:03:41 GMT -5
The Bible is VERY clear about this... The word pharmakeia translated to "sorcery" or "witchcraft" means to use drugs to induce a religious experience. Gal 5:20-21 says they will not inherrit the kingdom of God. Okay, then you're okay as long as you don't use drugs to reach God. wkufan, that says DRUNKARDS, refering to those who are drunk ... one gets drunk from DRINKING.
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Post by wkufan on May 16, 2006 9:55:19 GMT -5
The Bible is VERY clear about this... The word pharmakeia translated to "sorcery" or "witchcraft" means to use drugs to induce a religious experience. Gal 5:20-21 says they will not inherrit the kingdom of God. Okay, then you're okay as long as you don't use drugs to reach God. wkufan, that says DRUNKARDS, refering to those who are drunk ... one gets drunk from DRINKING. Surely you're not that naive....
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 11:08:05 GMT -5
Imagine there is no heaven, It's easy if you try. No hell below us, Above us only sky. Imagine all the people, Living for today.
Imagine there is no country, It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for, And no religion, too. Imagine all the people living life in peace.
You may say I'm a dreamer, But I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us, And the world will be as one.
Imagine no possessions, I wonder if you can. No need for greed or hunger; A brotherhood of man. Imagine all the people, Sharing all the world.
You may say I'm a dreamer, But I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us, And the world will live as one.
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 11:32:56 GMT -5
You know, what you just wrote there, that imagine song. Its in reference to world wide socialism, or the New World Order. You think it would be better to live in a world order without Christians.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 11:57:02 GMT -5
You know, what you just wrote there, that imagine song. Its in reference to world wide socialism, or the New World Order. You think it would be better to live in a world order without Christians. I don't think it would be better to live in a world order without Christians. Can you imagine all the people living for today, in peace and harmony, were they not bound by the fear that religion propogates? This statement applies to all religions, not just Christianity. Take radical Islam, for instance. Would the world not be a better place if Mohammed Atta didn't find it necessary to gain reward on behalf of his religion by hijacking planes? Would the world not be a better place if Robert Rudolph hadn't found it necessary to explode a bomb on behalf of his Christian god in the midst of a concert in Centennial Olympic Park in downtown Atlanta during the summer games of 1996? Hopefulheart has said it over and over. Live a good life as if there is no afterlife and you can be sure your motives are pure. Can you imagine the world with no countries which people would kill or die on behalf of? Can't we all just live in peace? Just imagine a world like this. I wonder if you can. "All we are saying is give peace a chance."
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 12:02:54 GMT -5
Here is the problem...all the examples you gave Eric Rodolph, Muslim extremists and so on. None of them are or were Christian. None live to glorify the true God. Or to have His will fulfilled in their lives.
A world without God...is a world without Love. God is love. Don't you think so....
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 12:06:32 GMT -5
So this is Christmas And what have you done? Another year over And a new one just begun And so this is Christmas I hope you have fun The near and the dear one The old and the young
A very Merry Christmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear
And so this is Christmas (War is over) For weak and for strong (If you want it) For rich and the poor ones (War is over) The world is so wrong And so happy Xmas (War is over) For black and for white (If you want it) For yellow and red ones (War is over) Let's stop all the fight
A very Merry Christmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear
And so this is Christmas (War is over) And what have we done? (If you want it) Another year over (War is over) A new one just begun And so happy Xmas (War is over) We hope you have fun (If you want it) The near and the dear one (War is over) The old and the young
A very Merry Christmas And a happy New Year Let's hope it's a good one Without any fear War is over, if you want it War is over now
Happy Xmas
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 12:07:55 GMT -5
Love doesn't condemn.
Love doesn't d@mn.
Love doesn't hate.
If your god is "love," then love is not what I thought it was at all.
Your god doesn't even pretend to love, let alone embody it.
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Post by tomah on May 16, 2006 12:22:59 GMT -5
True love is just. Do you love the actions of a murdering rapist??
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 12:24:32 GMT -5
Be careful what you listen to it may be deceiving you. What does the Bible say love is? Why don't you look it up. Wouldn't someone who loves his brother warn them of hell and sin? If you loved God wouldn't you obey His commandments?
If you don't agree with what the Bible says love is. Then you don't know my God. Certainly you haven't repented.
The first song, "imagine" to me is empty..sad. Because I would never want to be without Jesus. In your world there is no love.
As far as what the questions contained in the second Beatles song is. Another year over and what have you done? Its more of a condemnation of the non-Christian. If you feel that, then it was talking about you. I am filled with joy and peace when I think of what the Lord has accomplished with my life over the last year. Being a Christian is a wonderful victorious life. Why don't you join us?? No one ever repented of being a Christian on their death bead.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 12:29:00 GMT -5
I think you missed the point of what I said. You said that "God is Love." I would compare this to nirvana. If God is love, then Love created hell. Love d@mns people to it. Love is, therefore, a form of condemnation.
By the way, "Happy Xmas (War is Over)" is not a Beatles' song, it is a John Lennon song, just as Imagine is. They were written and performed after the Beatles broke up.
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 12:32:21 GMT -5
Do you remember the following statement Beatle John Lennon made to the international press back in 1966:
"Christianity will go. It will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and I will be proved right. We are more popular than Jesus now."
Hopefully, he will be proven to be wrong.
HE WILL. . . HE WAS. . . John Lennon was murdered by Mark David Chapman, one of his admirers, on December 8, 1980.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." God, Proverbs 14;12
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 12:40:39 GMT -5
I think you missed the point of what I said. You said that "God is Love." I would compare this to nirvana. If God is love, then Love created hell. Love d@mns people to it. Love is, therefore, a form of condemnation. By the way, "Happy Xmas (War is Over)" is not a Beatles' song, it is a John Lennon song, just as Imagine is. They were written and performed after the Beatles broke up. I think you are missing the point. God will not be restrained by the works of evil people. In other words God will not say...I can't do something because I may have to judge someone. He gave us an escape. Its Jesus...who paid our penalty in full on the cross. Thats love......So anyone that ends up in hell has himself to blame. God is just...he will judge sin. So why don't you repent and trust Christ as savior. Love is not an euphoric "feeling". Love is to die to yourself. Pride is a very serious sin....its pride that has us think, "I can do it myself". Our salvation rests on what God has done for us.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 12:48:52 GMT -5
Ok, let me simplify it.
"God is Love."
Therefore, substitute every instance of the word "God" in your everyday speech with the word "love" and see what doesn't make sense.
For instance: (From your last post) I think you are missing the point. LOVE will not be restrained by the works of evil people. In other words LOVE will not say...[LOVE] can't do something because [LOVE] may have to judge someone. LOVE gave us an escape. Its Jesus...who paid our penalty in full on the cross. Thats love......So anyone that ends up in hell has himself to blame. LOVE is just...LOVE will judge sin. So why don't you repent and trust Christ as savior.
Love is an emotion. Love is a gift. Love is a state.
Love is not a being. Jesus of Nazareth called us to love our enemies, not merely because they needed love (although they do), but because hating our enemies does something to us inside which prevents us from giving the gift of love. It is through love that we will find peace, common welfare, and better well-being.
I speak of Love being the same as God. You speak of a being that claims to do things in the name of love. There is a difference. Your god is not love, your god uses the name of love blasphemously.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 16, 2006 12:57:47 GMT -5
Do you remember the following statement Beatle John Lennon made to the international press back in 1966: "Christianity will go. It will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue about that. I'm right and I will be proved right. We are more popular than Jesus now." Hopefully, he will be proven to be wrong. HE WILL. . . HE WAS. . . John Lennon was murdered by Mark David Chapman, one of his admirers, on December 8, 1980. I have no doubt that what Lennon meant was probably true. I wouldn't expect you Fundamentalists to disagree. Following Jesus is against human nature, it's usually not the popular path to take. It's very easy to be a groupie, it's a bit harder to be a true follower of Jesus of Nazareth. Christianity has been shrinking, by the way. What exactly do you mean by "HE WILL...HE WAS"? Yes, Lennon was murdered by a derranged, mentally unstable person in 1980, but I'm not sure how that fact correlates to the rest of your argument. Did LOVE kill him using Mark David Chapman?
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 13:03:14 GMT -5
You know it says in the Bible that Jesus (the King of Glory, or God in the flesh) was tempted by Satan. That Satan used the old testament to try and trick Him. Satan said if you just bow down and worship me I will give you all the kingdoms of the earth. Just jump off the temple and God will catch you. "That God will keep you". Jesus answered back with scripture and said that it is God who we must serve with all our hearts and minds. Now I don't have my Bible here so I can't write every word exactly. But the point is Satan misquoted scripture from the old testament. It reads God will keep you in all HIS WAYS. So when you sin there is no promise that God will keep you. We must worship God in truth. You must realize that you have an enemy. The truth is absolute....the problem with you is you believe you can have it you way. And you can't....hey thats cool with Satan. You want to go to heaven by being baptized. They get baptized by every baptist Church in town. Any way YOU want......just don't repent and trust Jesus Christ as you personal savior. As the ONLY way to God. Hey thats a little intolerant.... You have no love for God because you have not died to yourself. Have it your way.....I love you so I'm ganna tell you, Hell is going to be hot. Repent while there is still time...Jesus is our escape.
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Post by cervyy on May 16, 2006 13:06:17 GMT -5
Hell is gonna turn out to be the most wicked cool nightclub. I guarantee it.
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 13:08:43 GMT -5
You know it says in the Bible that Jesus (the King of Glory, or God in the flesh) was tempted by Satan. That Satan used the old testament to try and trick Him. Satan said if you just bow down and worship me I will give you all the kingdoms of the earth. Just jump off the temple and God will catch you. "That God will keep you". Jesus answered back with scripture and said that it is God who we must serve with all our hearts and minds. Now I don't have my Bible here so I can't write every word exactly. But the point is Satan misquoted scripture from the old testament. It reads God will keep you in all HIS WAYS. So when you sin there is no promise that God will keep you. We must worship God in truth. You must realize that you have an enemy. The truth is absolute....the problem with you is you believe you can have it you way. And you can't....hey thats cool with Satan. You want to go to heaven by being baptized. They get baptized by every baptist Church in town. Any way YOU want......just don't repent and trust Jesus Christ as you personal savior. As the ONLY way to God. Hey thats a little intolerant.... You have no love for God because you have not died to yourself. Have it your way.....I love you so I'm ganna tell you, Hell is going to be hot. Repent while there is still time...Jesus is our escape. Yes, he was pr oven wrong. Followers of Jesus are willing to die for Him, to be imprisoned for Him and to "die to themselves" for Him. Followers of Lennon..well this guy Mark Chatman...was effected so much by Lennon's music he killed him. So much for nirvana dude....if failed. The truth is absolute. Jesus saves.....you can trust that fact with you life.
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