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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 19, 2006 13:27:46 GMT -5
Ian Paisley said in one of his sermons that an old women said to him, "I don't like your Church. The people are always fighting and debating. There is always a war about something!"
He responded with, "Praise God! I wouldn't want to be apart of a Church that wasn't at war."
She said, "Well, people aren't like that at my Church. At my Church there is peace."
He saidm "There is plenty of peace in a cementary. But they are all dead!"
It reminded me of our message board here.....
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 19, 2006 13:44:16 GMT -5
Oh Paisley! Bless his reformed heart. I love that guy.
Does remind me of the board sometimes. I think if we keep the right spirit in our posts we can all get along and remember that we are unified in the Spirit even if we disagree on certain things. Much love to all the brothers and sisters (and unbelievers too) on this board.
Miles
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Post by oap001 on Aug 19, 2006 14:00:42 GMT -5
Ian Pasley is a great preacher! And yes iron sharpens iron.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 19, 2006 14:36:44 GMT -5
Of course...deep down inside...you ALL know that I'M RIGHT and YOU'RE WRONG!! Hahaha ;D
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 19, 2006 14:54:45 GMT -5
Actually, RevK... you're right! "WE" are right and "They" are wrong! We should gather up a team against all the "heretics"... All who want to be known as "right" must join us or prepare to be theologically damaged beyond repair! MWUAHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by oap001 on Aug 19, 2006 15:31:43 GMT -5
Actually, RevK... you're right! "WE" are right and "They" are wrong! We should gather up a team against all the "heretics"... All who want to be known as "right" must join us or prepare to be theologically damaged beyond repair! MWUAHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH No you fool all who want to do right must submitt themselves to the Lord.
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Post by menorah on Aug 19, 2006 16:44:26 GMT -5
Ah! which means we dont call our brother "fool" or what will happen? Repent!
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Post by oap001 on Aug 19, 2006 18:07:07 GMT -5
I think you are very much a fool. My cause to call you so is that you are telling people to submit to your council. Who on God's green earth would do that? The sin in your life is evident.
I believe you are a sissy christian who throws jabs at people and then runs for "protection". Your righteousness is like a filthy rag. Your no better than anybody else.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 19, 2006 18:17:53 GMT -5
I did not call Rev. K a fool. I was speaking directly to you.
You are no different than anyone who would say...I am saved...because they think they are a good person. Dan you think the same thing they do...that you have established some kind of righteousness. And you ave a very hypocritical person.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 19, 2006 18:36:55 GMT -5
Well..... I think this thread is now self provable.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 19, 2006 18:41:37 GMT -5
But with that said...in Christian love Dan and I can continue this on PM.
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 19, 2006 19:17:03 GMT -5
You asked my testimony: My testimony is that I was saved from sin by the Grace of God. If you would like specifics, it is here on our site... Click on the page called "Meet The Team"... I am the first face on that page, and you may click on my testimony, as the man who led me to the Lord in Repentance also speaks near the end.... I spent many years in prison (almost 15 years ago) and was wonderously saved from sin. I heard the audible voice of God call my name when I was a pre teen...and then He called me into His Kingdom some time later. www.icminternational.org"Meet The Team Page" Dan Lirette
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Post by oap001 on Aug 19, 2006 20:43:34 GMT -5
Very well then we will have a discussion on PM. I will click on the face.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 19, 2006 22:13:32 GMT -5
PACP, are you serious or has someone hacked into your account and the one posting is not in fact the same person who originally registered under the name pachristianpatriot?
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Post by cervyy on Aug 19, 2006 22:13:59 GMT -5
Hope y'alls know that you guys arguing amongst yourselves is not good for your cause.
But then, if you really had God's message, then wouldn't you be together in peace like the Bible says you should be??
Ah well. Your lose.
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 19, 2006 22:29:00 GMT -5
All those who support fighting on the board so things don't get boring need to repent.You would be better off to get tickets to a boxing match like alot of preachers are doing now.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 20, 2006 0:00:53 GMT -5
pacp is definitely not darcfollowingjesus, as pacp believes in OSAS and darc does not.
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Post by abb on Aug 20, 2006 0:53:13 GMT -5
thumper, I have to disagree with you. I do not think it is satire.
It is a joke =D.
Which makes it all the worse for PACP... but... I had to bring that up.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 20, 2006 1:05:15 GMT -5
Its ok, next to nothing offends me. Telling me I am a tare and unconverted and that because of my convictions I am not of God. That offends me. All I was doing was telling Dan that he does things that are not my conviction. However I would not make the statement that he is unsaved.
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Post by Doc H on Aug 20, 2006 1:20:41 GMT -5
Paul taught the WHOLE council of God.
To say you can lose your salvation is heresy.
Eternal security is an ESSENTIAL doctrine. Not one that we can agree to disagree on.
The Holy Ghost promises to lead us unto ALL truth. I am talking here about mature Christains not babes in Christ.
We cannot be of the same Spirit if we disagree on eternal security.
John Wesley on his death bed admitted that he had not achieved entire sanctification/holiness although he believed it and taught it.
Both sides cannot be right.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 20, 2006 14:16:40 GMT -5
Can you tell me where that quote is?
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 20, 2006 17:38:54 GMT -5
What prayer thread?
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 22, 2006 19:13:47 GMT -5
Can you tell me where that quote is? Josh, I can't tell you where that quote is...not even sure if it is true or not. BUT, I can tell you that Charles Wesley disagreed with entire sanctification after a short time of believing it. He even went as far as to write Whitefield telling George that he wanted to join him and leave his brother John. Charles didn't become a full-blown Calvinist, but was much closer to Whitefield's theology in the end then to his brother's theology.
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Post by Doc H on Aug 22, 2006 21:56:29 GMT -5
I believe it is quoted in J.C Ryles book on 'Holiness'
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 22, 2006 22:41:22 GMT -5
I believe it is quoted in J.C Ryles book on 'Holiness' WOW! I'd like to read that! It wouldn't surprise me that he did. He probably strived for perfection all his life and never attained it. That would make me want to reject it as well. Plus, the way he treated Whitefield at times was down right SINFUL.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 22, 2006 22:57:03 GMT -5
I've heard that said about Wesley too, but have never read it in anything I've actually read that was officially about Wesley.
But, suppose it was true.
Suppose John Wesley sinned every day in word, thought, and deed. Suppose he preached sinless perfection but was never free from sin himself.
What does that prove?
Does it prove that Jesus is unreasonable when He says, "be perfect" or "go and sin no more"? Does it prove that Paul was not being honest when he said he was "free from sin"? Does it mean the bible is wrong when it says God is able to "keep us from falling"?
No, it does not.
The biblical doctrine of perfection is not at all dependant upon the wonderful man John Wesley.
Even if Wesley never lived at all, or never was converted at all, or never preached at all, the truth of the bible, the demands of God, the freedom given by Christ, would still remain the same!!
That depends on whose side of the story you are reading. If you are reading a biography of Whitefield, written by a Calvinist, they always portray Wesley in a terrible light.
But if you read a biography of Wesley, written by an Arminian, they always seem to shead a little bit more light on the situation to make it make a lot more sense.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 22, 2006 23:19:27 GMT -5
I wasn't by any means insinuating that John Wesley "sinned every day in word, thought and deed." What I was saying is that he may have come to the understanding that we are to strive for it, but we will not attain it in this life and that he may have experienced that for himself, even though he strived to do it with all his might. As I understand it, he is the person mentioned the most when it comes to "sinless perfection," so if he DID denounce it at the end of his life, I think it would cause many people who agree with his teaching on this to rethink it.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 22, 2006 23:30:02 GMT -5
I hear ya brother,
If a person learned the doctrine from John Wesley, then heard Wesley denounced it, it should would cause them some confusion!
All the more reason as to why we must get our doctrine from the bible! Because it is true that there are men who preach biblical truth, but do not live out that truth.
(Ps. I do not mean to say Wesley did not live out his own preaching. I do believe he did)
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 22, 2006 23:34:38 GMT -5
I believe Wesley lived at the Christian life wonderfully and I appreciate what the Lord did through him as he submitted his life to the Lord! I just don't agree with him theologically on all accounts. Forget about Calvinism/Arminianism. If I were to label myself in the past, I would have probably said I was a Calminian. Now I think I would call myself a WesField! ;D
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Post by bullhornbob on Aug 23, 2006 0:13:23 GMT -5
I believe Wesley lived at the Christian life wonderfully and I appreciate what the Lord did through him as he submitted his life to the Lord! I just don't agree with him theologically on all accounts. Forget about Calvinism/Arminianism. If I were to label myself in the past, I would have probably said I was a Calminian. Now I think I would call myself a WesField! ;D Hey Rev, why not just be a christian? I mean no harm, but I think sometimes we overdo it a bit with denominationalizing everything. What say you?
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