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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 18, 2006 23:48:35 GMT -5
Now now, wanderingtrekker.... Let's not get him angry..... ^.^
Hell, he could invoke the wrath of god upon you or me. *gasp* Then, I would nuts myself in the seat where I reside!
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 19, 2006 0:23:34 GMT -5
Now now, wanderingtrekker.... Let's not get him angry..... ^.^ Hell, he could invoke the wrath of god upon you or me. *gasp* Then, I would nuts myself in the seat where I reside! Yes, but we could always just invoke the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Sauce Be Upon Him) back at him.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 19, 2006 0:45:27 GMT -5
Good thinking! Ragu be with you brother!
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 19, 2006 15:52:36 GMT -5
when in fear, turn to faith...
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 7:52:16 GMT -5
when in fear, turn to faith... The fear of the Lord is the begining of knoweledge. Do you have a healthy fear of God? You should because He is just.
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Post by ebrayley on May 20, 2006 12:42:56 GMT -5
If I may bring up this Scripture from Romans 1:28-31:
"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness... haters of God... proud...without understanding..."
First of all we must be totally sober when we deal with matters of eternity, God and judgment... regardless of whether you believe it or not, these are very important issues not to be frivolously treated. This messageboard would be much better if we were all more level headed about these things.
We should note according to the Bible it is possible for God to give people over to a reprobate mind, a mind that no longer functions in it's proper use... "that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." (Isaiah 5:20)
A lot of this talk is in vain. Discussing truth with a reprobate mind is like using a perfectly good engine in a car without wheels. God gives them over to this state of mind "lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." (Matthew 13:15) But, "blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear!" (v. 16)
Why does this judgment occur? Because as said above: "they did not like to retain God in their knowledge..." Therefore:"They grope in the dark without light, and he maketh them to stagger like a drunken man." (Job 12:25)
Brothers, we need to thank God for opening our eyes (Acts 26:18)! I once was blind but now I see! Oh, the mercy of God.
To the unbelievers: God's Word is a "lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." If in your heart you long for the light of truth, then look to the Word. Humble yourself before the Lord, which is the only offering he will not despise (Psalm 51:17). As long as you remain proud and push away the knowledge of God, He will see to it that you never think clearly or obtain the knowledge that can save you. You'll live your whole life objecting, objecting, objecting; never finding.
Brothers in Christ, rejoice! "Nevertheless I am not ashamed: for know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." (2 Timothy 1:12)
Praise God!
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 17:57:58 GMT -5
i love how christians throw romans one out there as if it means something... pacp, repsect and fear are two different things. fear is NOT healthy.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 19:01:34 GMT -5
Problems with your arguement : 1) You site the bible as a reason to believe in god. Thats a no-no. 2) Fear is what Saddam Hussein used. Fear is what Stalin, and Hitler used. And you say fear is healthy?! What the hell type of god knowlingly oppresses his people in fear!?!?
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 19:20:57 GMT -5
Problems with your arguement : 1) You site the bible as a reason to believe in god. Thats a no-no. 2) Fear is what Saddam Hussein used. Fear is what Stalin, and Hitler used. And you say fear is healthy?! What the hell type of god knowlingly oppresses his people in fear!?!? What the hell...well thats the problem...hell. After this life is the judgement. So if someone is fearful of going to hell because of their sin. That is healthy...don't you think. A person living apart from a Holy God should be fearful. What about the teaching of the rich man?? But God being Holy made a way foir us to escape. Repent and believe the Gospel....the good news. Believe and you shall receive...Aliester Crowley said to give your life to Christ is slavery. Sounds like you agree. Look its freedom ...to die in Christ is victory...every Christian knows that.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 19:25:29 GMT -5
No, you sited fear of god. God uses the same fear that those obviously cruel people used.
And no. You repent and believe my gospel, for my gospel holds the better word. That was made clear in the intelligent ignorance thread, which you might not have read yet.
Freedom from what? There is no freedom. You can't even jack-off in the bathroom without having to "repent". That's not freedom.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 20:27:06 GMT -5
No, you sited fear of god. God uses the same fear that those obviously cruel people used. And no. You repent and believe my gospel, for my gospel holds the better word. That was made clear in the intelligent ignorance thread, which you might not have read yet. Freedom from what? There is no freedom. You can't even jack-off in the bathroom without having to "repent". That's not freedom. I can understand that you probably feel the need to jack off. However Christians....don't we are set free from carnal lusts. Look at the Words under the picture of Billy Sunday I have posted. ***Put on Christ*** Look at Exodus chapter 10...the 10 commandments. How does your life square with them??
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 20:43:56 GMT -5
wtf?
And also, I dont live by the ten commandments. Most of the people in this world, do not. Its high time you get used to that.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 21, 2006 4:16:22 GMT -5
pacp, i am sorry to inform you that a 'fear of hell' is not a legitimate excuse to believe in a deity.
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Post by pacp on May 22, 2006 15:52:34 GMT -5
It takes only a mustard seed of faith to believe. I said fear of hell is reason to REPENT. Oh...good Lord now I know why tigers eat their young.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 23, 2006 1:54:12 GMT -5
It takes only a mustard seed of faith to believe. I said fear of hell is reason to REPENT. Oh...good Lord now I know why tigers eat their young. Ummm...Great way to quote a book title. Tigers don't eat their young, as far as I know, but I'm glad to see that you've become pro-choice Pacp.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 23, 2006 2:08:22 GMT -5
...you are right, pacp, it only takes an idiot with a mustard seed-sized brain to believe in your god.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 23, 2006 3:24:46 GMT -5
...you are right, pacp, it only takes an idiot with a mustard seed-sized brain to believe in your god. You're qualified! You're qualified! Sorry Dusty, you opened yourself up for that one. ;D Holy Hubert used to say that in the open air in response to that comment.
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Post by ebrayley on May 23, 2006 16:56:42 GMT -5
My point exactly.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 24, 2006 2:20:31 GMT -5
It is never too late. Until the point where you take your dying breath, you can still repent and trust Christ. So begin there. You being here shows that you are having at least SOME doubts about your doubts then, doesn't it? What does that imply? Pascal's wager in a nutshell: If the atheist is right and I am wrong, and there is no God, then I have lost nothing. I have lived a full and happy life in faith of someone who may not have existed in the end, but my life was better for it. And the lives of others around me was better for it. But if the atheist is wrong, and I am right, and there is a God, then he has lost everything. May seem simplistic, but then again, I'm still gonna come out ahead in the end even if I am wrong (which I don't believe for a minute, which is why it is called FAITH) So what will YOU do if you are wrong? Are you willing to take the chance that you just might be wrong? *nods* This I can agree with Jules. I respect you for saying what you've said here. If you're wrong, you've lost nothing because the way you have lived has improved your own life, and hopefully the lives of others around you. I've met a few other Christians who have said the same about their faith and I respect that. If you do what you do and believe what you believe in an effort to seek betterment in all paths of life and afterwards, good for you. That's what any faith system or philosophy is really about . I would argue that you should not try to press your beliefs on others.. but that's another issue... I like what you've said here. I was just reading through this thread and I noticed this statement. Morluna, wouldn't you be trying to press your beliefs on us, that we shouldn't press beliefs on others, by even saying that we should not press beliefs on others? Neutrality is a myth. Your philosophy crumbles on its own foundation. Just passing through. Miles
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 24, 2006 2:30:59 GMT -5
there is no harm in a collective dogma that protects individual freedoms, miles. we believe that christians cause damage to the spiritual, mental and physical psyche of society. history is proof enough that we no longer need to look to the heavens..
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Post by pacp on May 24, 2006 11:29:42 GMT -5
there is no harm in a collective dogma that protects individual freedoms, miles. we believe that christians cause damage to the spiritual, mental and physical psyche of society. history is proof enough that we no longer need to look to the heavens.. Ok Aliester....
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 25, 2006 8:39:37 GMT -5
my name is dusty, kid.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 25, 2006 8:39:58 GMT -5
miles, i am agnostic...so i cannot be qualified...but nice try.
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Post by pacp on May 25, 2006 15:04:48 GMT -5
You live in a double wide "dusty"?? Ma and Pa around...because your just as wicked as Mr. Crowley..dude.
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Post by pacp on May 25, 2006 16:52:11 GMT -5
Anyway...you'll be pleased to know "Rusty"...dusty ?? that I probably won't be comming on much any more, if even at all. I don't really have the time. But while I was here I wanted to convict you of your sin and lead you to a savior. Your sin and world views are that bad and I would be no friend to any of you if I would not have told you so. Goodby...Valentene...you are "attractive" but don't let it go to your head. And don't measure your self worth by your looks...and if you get the chance maybe you will pray about your salvation. Peace out...
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Post by rsmportland on May 25, 2006 17:48:17 GMT -5
Just reading through, now me brayn hirtz...
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 26, 2006 1:21:52 GMT -5
pacp, by the way, most of my friends are christian. do you want to know why? we respect each other, and we desire a challenge. we debate and have friendly conversation over coffee. my wife is a christian, pacp. did you know that?
i can live with christianity without being a christian. i am not as intolerant, evil, or blind as you.
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