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Post by biblethumper on May 14, 2006 17:00:53 GMT -5
We support Isreal. Their country exists because of the U.S. of A. Attacking Iran, who , among the rest of the middle east, hates israel, will literally provoke another world war. The entire middle east hates Isreal, and likewise, the entire middle east hates the U.S. Read about world war I, foreign alliances betwen eachother in Europe sparked 6 nations into fighting with eachother. Also, if the president said we were to take over the middle east, he'd be impeached so f**king fast.... 32%. 68% are willing to throw him out. America can't wage a war longer than 3 years. He's overstayed his welcome. We've liberated Iraq, now what are we doing there now? The U.S. needs to leave before the others start to get pissed. The difference between liberation and take-over, is that in liberation, one frees the people and leaves. In a take-over, the army stays after the "freedom". We are currently experiencing the second definition. We're done. Let's leave. If Iraqis give a d**n about their country, they'll fix it themselves. The dictator is gone, now it's up to them to fix it. Or at least, it should be. Israel, first of all, has the Muslim Mosque; do you know what that means to multiplied millions of Muslims? The third holiest site. If Iran blew Israel off the map, do you really believe the Muslims would clap? Think again. They'd destroy Iran. Not israel.
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Post by ejuliot on May 14, 2006 17:12:49 GMT -5
First off, you cite yourself as a resource. Can't do that. Second, the catholics came first. They were the first christians. All other sects of christianity come from them. Third, A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ. There are different interpretations of what exactly that entails, however. In any case, Christians by definition are a part of Christianity. --Source, wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_ChurchThe Roman Catholic Church, or Catholic Church, is the largest Christian Church in the world. It's christian. I do hope you have the sense not to proceed further with this idiotic arguement. Um, Dear, Did you even go to the page. My purpose of sending you to that page is because this topic has been discussed already, the arguments were already laid out. I have a feeling you didn't take time to read it. P.S. that wasn't my source! That is a combination of a lot of people on this board, articles, portions of Catholic doctrine, etc... Read it and you will understand.
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Post by ejuliot on May 14, 2006 17:17:35 GMT -5
Also, who told you that the catholics came first! Have you read through the new testament? There is no pope in the new testament. The Catholic church was started much later. The apostolic church (led by the apostles) was the first church.
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Post by ejuliot on May 14, 2006 17:19:20 GMT -5
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 14, 2006 18:55:33 GMT -5
No no, I read your source.
You must understand, ALL OTHER FORMS OF CHRISTIANITY COME FROM CATHOLICISM.
The rest of the world agrees, Catholics are christians. They fit the text-book definition of a christian. They may not hold your views, but, they are christian.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 14, 2006 18:58:06 GMT -5
I never said they would destroy Isreal. Where you got that from, I have no idea.
The fact of the matter is, Iran hates Isreal. I never ever said that Iran would openly blow Isreal to nuts.
Hell, I never even implied Iran attacking Isreal. I did mention America attacking Iran.
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Post by ejuliot on May 14, 2006 18:58:53 GMT -5
Well, according to the textbook Jehova's Wtinesses and Mormons are Christians too!
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 14, 2006 19:29:51 GMT -5
Yes they are.
And why wouldn't they be? Because they have a different view than you? Thats closemindedness at its finest.
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Post by ejuliot on May 14, 2006 19:34:05 GMT -5
Yes they are. And why wouldn't they be? Because they have a different view than you? Thats closemindedness at its finest. How about I define it a little better...Roman Catholics, Mormons, and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Bible-Believing Christians. The Mormons believe in the book of Mormon over the bible and frequently contradict it. The Roman Catholics believe int he Pope over the Bible and frequently contradict it. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe int he watchtower over the Bible and frequently contradict it. In doing so, they do not follow the same Jesus Christ as Bible-Believing Christians do and so they are not "Christian" because they do not follow the same Jesus Christ.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 14, 2006 19:41:28 GMT -5
That's their interpretation of jesus. That's too bad that it differs from your savior's version.
That still makes them christians, by definition. They may or may not be saved according to your view, but they are christians. Accept it, and move on.
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Post by ejuliot on May 14, 2006 19:45:36 GMT -5
That's their interpretation of jesus. That's too bad that it differs from your savior's version. That still makes them christians, by definition. They may or may not be saved according to your view, but they are christians. Accept it, and move on. No way will I accept it but I will move on. Side question: Have you ever read the entire Bible? Just curious...
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 14, 2006 20:07:05 GMT -5
Short answer: yes
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Post by wkufan on May 14, 2006 22:11:11 GMT -5
Ejuliot, your posts are tempered with wisdom. Growing up I had many Catholic close friends and even in adulthood, I seem too as well. I must draw them like flies or something. I've always debated with myself if some Catholics can truly be Christian. Although, I would debate my friends that the many things they said I needed would negate the entire purpose of Christ. In high school, we had some very lively debates--but we never got mad at each other to stop hanging around. Thinking about it, I wasn't that great of a witness for Christ, although I did testify admantly for Him to them--probably not in God's eyes, however. They never could tell my why I needed a priest--when I'd asked them if that's all we needed, then why was Jesus' sacrifice necessary? Anyway, just interested if you've had similar experiences.
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Post by wkufan on May 15, 2006 1:39:16 GMT -5
We support Isreal. Their country exists because of the U.S. of A. Attacking Iran, who , among the rest of the middle east, hates israel, will literally provoke another world war. The entire middle east hates Isreal, and likewise, the entire middle east hates the U.S. Read about world war I, foreign alliances betwen eachother in Europe sparked 6 nations into fighting with eachother. Also, if the president said we were to take over the middle east, he'd be impeached so f**king fast.... 32%. 68% are willing to throw him out. America can't wage a war longer than 3 years. He's overstayed his welcome. We've liberated Iraq, now what are we doing there now? The U.S. needs to leave before the others start to get pissed. The difference between liberation and take-over, is that in liberation, one frees the people and leaves. In a take-over, the army stays after the "freedom". We are currently experiencing the second definition. We're done. Let's leave. If Iraqis give a d**n about their country, they'll fix it themselves. The dictator is gone, now it's up to them to fix it. Or at least, it should be. Israel, first of all, has the Muslim Mosque; do you know what that means to multiplied millions of Muslims? The third holiest site. If Iran blew Israel off the map, do you really believe the Muslims would clap? Think again. They'd destroy Iran. Not israel. Interesting, BT. But I can't help but wonder if Iran/muslim world doesn't come up with a new explanation. Something like the "magic" dome of the rock really wasn't the place we thought it was. They're already doing all they can from an archeology perspective to "prove" Israel/David, etc, can't be documented or verified historically. And from what I've gathered, they've destroyed a lot of artifacts that challenges their claims.
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Post by ejuliot on May 15, 2006 13:14:37 GMT -5
Ejuliot, your posts are tempered with wisdom. Growing up I had many Catholic close friends and even in adulthood, I seem too as well. I must draw them like flies or something. I've always debated with myself if some Catholics can truly be Christian. Although, I would debate my friends that the many things they said I needed would negate the entire purpose of Christ. In high school, we had some very lively debates--but we never got mad at each other to stop hanging around. Thinking about it, I wasn't that great of a witness for Christ, although I did testify admantly for Him to them--probably not in God's eyes, however. They never could tell my why I needed a priest--when I'd asked them if that's all we needed, then why was Jesus' sacrifice necessary? Anyway, just interested if you've had similar experiences. I didn't have much contact with or knowledge of Catholicism until this year because my roommate was Catholic. I also have had to study it a lot because I am a Spanish major and Catholicism is a very important part of Latin American, Central American, and Spainish culture.
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Post by pacp on May 15, 2006 21:02:12 GMT -5
Not only are Catholics not Christian (by their Church membership) the pope is not holy either.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 15, 2006 21:43:30 GMT -5
That response was so ill-founded, im not even going to honor that with a proper response.
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Post by cervyy on May 15, 2006 23:11:15 GMT -5
Feel the hate from Christians for Catholics ... God would be so proud!!!
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Post by ejuliot on May 16, 2006 0:05:49 GMT -5
Feel the hate from Christians for Catholics ... God would be so proud!!! Nobody hates Catholics except for Monochromatic! I don't hate my roommate. If I hated her I wouldn't have lived with her! You can say someone is sincerely wrong and still love them. Cervyy you are sincerely wrong but I don't hate you! If you were to apply your logic to our situation that would mean that you, cervyy, hate me because you disagree with me. And that would make you a hypocrite because you complain that Christians hate and that the God of the Bible "hates" when you actually hate Christians and the God of the Bible because you disagree with them. Do you see how this argument holds no water. Believing someone is wrong does not = hate. :Sigh: and after I type this someone will make another biased comment again in a few posts about how Christians hate Catholics. It is a vicious cycle! I give up!!!!!!!!
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Post by Grant on May 16, 2006 4:17:55 GMT -5
Atheistbibleburner: Mark your accusations at the ones who are responsible. Just because someone states they are doing something in the name of someone or something doesn't mean they were given the authority or right to make that claim. Hence they stand on their own, responsible for their wrong doing, not those they claim to represent.
Otherwise, we could blame you for all the wrongs atheists have done in the past. But we're not so stupid.
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 6:27:48 GMT -5
I don't hate anyone. Especially Cathlocis...my sister is Catholic. Just ask yourself, is what I said true.
1) Does joining a Catholic Church make you a Christian?
2) Is the pope, who is only a man, holy.
And give me a Biblical reason for you answer.
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Post by cervyy on May 16, 2006 8:59:38 GMT -5
I never said I agreed with the Catholic church, but I've heard some things from OA people that went beyond saying they were wrong. When is Oswego, jesse called the pope the Antichrist, how can one say that about a person and still love them?
Sorry ejuliot, I didn't mean EVERY Christian on this board
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Post by pacp on May 16, 2006 9:08:53 GMT -5
Well thats easy. A person can be anti-Christ....but Jesus still died for them and its our duty to try and win them over and see them saved.
You would have to ask yourself what is an anti-christ. The Bible gives an answer. Its a person who puts himself in place of Christ and is against Christ.
The pope, puts himself in the place of Christ. They kiss his hands and feet, even though his hands and feet were never pierced. They call him holy father, he's not holy, the Bible says to call no "man" your father, in the spiritual sense and so on.
The pope says he is infallible and has a doctrine that is a counterfeit to what the Bible says regarding among other things "salvation". So he is an anti-Christ according to the Bible. However I'm sure that given the chance we would all witness to the pope and would want to see him saved. He's a sinner like everyone else, in need of salvation.
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Post by victorialewis on May 16, 2006 9:17:34 GMT -5
What good has he done for OUR country? That's right. Nothing. . May I ask, sir, what have YOU done for your country? While I'm here, may I ask if you consider yourself to be a good person?
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 19, 2006 16:02:40 GMT -5
grant. you are responsible for the actions of others...
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 19, 2006 18:01:00 GMT -5
Community service. Plus anyways, I haven't made any oaths to honor, protect, and serve my country. This man, has.
Yes I do. In fact, the only people I have no remorse for, are faith-based "believers". I'm one of the nicest, happiest people you'll ever meet.
And I'm sure thats why most christians are catholics.
In the end, you're all wrong. Except those believers in the FSM, you will all boil in hell. I would try to "save" you, but, our gospel teaches us that we should not be dogmatic or faith-based. Meaning, you should figure out for yourself the true power of the FSM, and, if anyone manages to prove the FSM false, we will whole-heartidly agree to it.
You people on the other hand are quite the opposite, going as far as going door to door to tell me about god. By the way, to all you christians that preach in the street..... know that I am also preaching in the street. I will enlighten everyone on the truth of our creator, and show them the light. I will not shove them in the light, however. I will show them the bright light, it's up to them to walk into it. Quite unlike your dogmatic approach.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 6:26:29 GMT -5
so, does this FSM punish heathens by whipping them with wet noodles?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 7:24:03 GMT -5
Either that, or be forced to eat cold ravioli forever!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 17:59:15 GMT -5
i like cold ravioli...and pizza.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 19:26:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's got mold on it or something... who knows? The FSM works in mysterious ways.
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