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Post by pacp on May 18, 2006 19:03:56 GMT -5
Multiculturalism: the view that all cultures, from that of a spirit-worshiping tribe to that of an advanced industrial civilization, are equal in value.
Since multiculturalism is such a "force" on public colleges and many people here appear to buy into its "doctrine. I would like to ask the following.
1) Are all cultures equal?
2) Is the real intent of teaching multiculturalism to obliterate wester an Christian values? You know with all of that intolerance.
3) Does it make the mind unable to distinguish good from evil. Or to distinguish that which is life promoting from that which is life negating.
4) Is a culture that values mysticism good?
5) Is multiculturalism a kind of new racism against Christians.
6) What about multicultural educators that teach one's ideas are determined by ones race and that the source of ones individual identity is his ethnic heritage? Is this true for the Bible believer?
I believe that should get us started.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 18, 2006 19:15:52 GMT -5
1) Yes 2) No, for Christians, its exactly the opposite; a chance to infect another civilization 3) No 4) No 5) No, you people are not oppressed. Don't even start with that. 6) The past is gone, only the future awaits. It doesn't matter who your father was, just what you do with you. Yes.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 19, 2006 0:19:42 GMT -5
Multiculturalism: the view that all cultures, from that of a spirit-worshiping tribe to that of an advanced industrial civilization, are equal in value. No. That is actually incorrect. Multiculturalism n. The doctrine that several different cultures (rather than one national culture) can co-exist peacefully and equitably in a single country. However, I will address your questions as if your definition were accurate. Well, we're all good, little, docile capitalists. We buy what we want to buy. We buy what is marketed to us well. If something doesn't sell well, repackage it, don't criticise the consumer. Although, I suppose I should ask you exactly what you mean by your idea that it is such a force. According to the dictionary definition (which we're going to have to go by since the Bible is strangely silent on the definition of "multiculturalism" and because I don't let people make up their own definitions, ahem) of multiculturalism, it could be considered a force on college campuses because people from different cultures (e.g. western culture, asian culture; urban culture, rural culture; white culture, hispanic culture) are present. I suppose we could go back to the days when George Wallace stood in front of the doors of the University of Alabama to prevent another culture from entering the doors of this homogeneous population. According to the dictionary definition, my college campus is very multicultural. There are Catholics, Lutherans, Fundamentalists, Muslims, Jews, and atheists. There are Georgians, Californians, Floridians, and Alaskans. There are Iranians, Germans, Japanese, and Australians. There are blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, latino/as, native americans, and others. You know, we haven't had a riot in, so far as I know, ever. As a matter of fact, we were the first major public university in the deep-south to peacefully desegregate without a court order. We are very multicultural. All cultures are sets of human knowledge, understanding, customs, and values accumulated over time. Cultures are, first and foremost, made up of people. Because I believe that every human being has intrinsic worth, a grouping of humans bound by a common history, understanding, or other bond, also contains intrinsic worth. Everytime a culture disappears, another way of understanding the world and the human condition disappears. This is a sore loss. What we have to gain from each culture is different, but no more or less valuable. But perhaps more important is the notion that every person on this planet and every person who ever has lived on this planet, adds to the general body of human knowledge. If we limit ourselves to only taking understanding from people who fit into our culture, not only do we exclude a majority of the world's population, but also all of those who are already dead, because their culture existed in a past time, where it was different, even if it is a predecessor of our own culture. You speak of multiculturalism as if it was trying to create one uniform culture. That would be what I am going to dub, "monoculturalism." Multiculturalism teaches that we can live together in peace even considering the fact that we have different cultures. It is the idea that a Muslim and a Christian can live side by side in peace and understanding, not the idea that either or both be merged into some secular non-religion. If multiculturalism tries to de-value one culture, then it is not truly multiculturalism. No. As a matter of fact, I would argue that adding new concepts of good and evil and life's value, we actually get a better sense of what could be considered right and wrong. When you have been watching black and white television forever, adding color does not make it any more difficult to understand the plot. Or to further that analogy, watching a foriegn film becomes easier with the addition of subtitles. Good and bad are difficult to define, and always have been. Anyone who says this is an easy task is diluded. I think a more accurate answer to this question is to say that all cultures are valuable, therefore, a culture that values mysticism is not worth less or worth more than a culture that values something else. It can be difficult, of course, to tell whether a culture even values mysticism. For instance, the west. Do we value mysticism? Some of us seem to do so, while others don't. Only if anti-trust laws are discrimination against mega-corporations. Again, multiculturalism does not teach that Christianity is any less valuable than any other culture (although Christianity is not a culture, but rather a religion that exists in the context of many cultures. Besides which, it can't be racism because Christians are not just one race, they are many. Well, I suppose that a multicultural educator would be a person born of parents from different cultures, or perhaps one who moved around a lot and was raised in different cultures. Or are you referring to educators who teach multiculturalism? I assume you are referring to the later. I think you don't understand the purpose of an educator. You seem to believe that people exist in the world as blank data CDs. We go to college only to be "burned," that is: to have data placed in us. That is completely untrue. The idea of an education is not that people have information poured into their brains, but rather that they learn how to find information and deduce (note the "educ" root in both educate and deduce) conclusions. As for identity, it is determined by many things. One of those things is the culture(s) in which you were raised. Identity is constanty changing, however. For instance, you might have been raised in an extremely patriotic culture (the deep south, for instance) but have the experience of fighting in a war, or falling in love with someone from another country, which changes the way you view your self and others to the extent that you see patriotism only as a form of manipulation. As for the Bible believer, you are a product of your circumstances too. If you had been born in Pakistan, it is likely that you would view the Q'uran as infalible, God as the word. Perhaps that wouldn't have happened.
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Post by pacp on May 19, 2006 13:18:34 GMT -5
The Bible says that man shall not live by bread buy by every Word of God. And that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. That no man comes to the father, but by Him. That includes all cultures. What are your thoughts on this?? www.crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htm
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Post by wanderingtrekker on May 19, 2006 13:43:20 GMT -5
The Bible says that man shall not live by bread buy by every Word of God. And that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. That no man comes to the father, but by Him. That includes all cultures. What are your thoughts on this?? www.crossroad.to/Books/BraveNewSchools/2-International.htmThis sounds like food for another thread. Perhaps you should start a new one for the above question, and save this one for multiculturalism.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 19, 2006 15:42:32 GMT -5
i will assume that the author is an american, and will then ask if this person has ever left the safety of his/her four walls?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 19, 2006 18:11:35 GMT -5
Your bible is wrong. According to MY holy book( Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster) there is no other way to the beer volcano and the stripper factory located in heaven, except through the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Who's right? You or me?
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Post by Morluna on May 19, 2006 20:33:34 GMT -5
i will assume that the author is an american, and will then ask if this person has ever left the safety of his/her four walls? Good question. I would assume no, but that's probably unfair of me.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 6:23:09 GMT -5
i will also assume that this person has never left home, because america is the essence of multiculturalism. i will also safely assume that this person thinks america evil for accepting people who are not christian.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 7:50:53 GMT -5
i will also assume that this person has never left home, because america is the essence of multiculturalism. i will also safely assume that this person thinks america evil for accepting people who are not christian. I lived in Europe for 3 years...was through the middle east. Its not about being "diverse" as your understanding it. I'm speaking about making Christianity equal with other belief systems. The truth is the truth. Its not equal....Christianity is not a "belief system". There are many black, Asian, Christians and so on.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 17:58:40 GMT -5
in other words, a theocracy...
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 19:29:17 GMT -5
But christianity is a lie. And yes, it is an organized system of belief.... aka a belief system.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 20:21:35 GMT -5
But christianity is a lie. And yes, it is an organized system of belief.... aka a belief system. No, it is literally the "truth". A theorcocy....it can't be imposed on anyone. Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord. Its a matter of winning one sole at a time.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 20:49:21 GMT -5
sole1 Audio pronunciation of "sole" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sl) n.
1. The underside of the foot. 2. The underside of a shoe or boot, often excluding the heel. 3. The part on which something else rests while in a vertical position, especially: 1. The bottom surface of a plow. 2. The bottom surface of the head of a golf club.
Dumbass.....
And yes, christianity can, will, and has been imposed on many peoples. Let's take for example... the inquisition....?
And your nation, America, does not have a God. It's god is not the lord. I hope you know that. Of course, you probably don't, in which case I dare you to challenge me on that. You will be pummeled into debate hell if you try that. And the FSM will laugh.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 21:01:29 GMT -5
sole1 Audio pronunciation of "sole" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sl) n. 1. The underside of the foot. 2. The underside of a shoe or boot, often excluding the heel. 3. The part on which something else rests while in a vertical position, especially: 1. The bottom surface of a plow. 2. The bottom surface of the head of a golf club. Dumbass..... And yes, christianity can, will, and has been imposed on many peoples. Let's take for example... the inquisition....? And your nation, America, does not have a God. It's god is not the lord. I hope you know that. Of course, you probably don't, in which case I dare you to challenge me on that. You will be pummeled into debate hell if you try that. And the FSM will laugh. The inquisition..you think roman catholic's are Christian. Yes I know America has no God.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 21:04:49 GMT -5
ROMAN CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIANS. THEY BELIEVE IN CHRIST AS THE ONE TRUE GOD. THAT IS THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR CHRISTIANS. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.
If any normal person would like to argue with me about that, I do hope you go beat yourself in the temple with a hammer. The reason being you are a dumbass, and have no place in intelligent society.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 21:20:45 GMT -5
Ok..where does it say that in the Bible??
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 21:24:38 GMT -5
Actually, I used the webster dictionary to define christians, an all together much more reliable source.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 21:24:58 GMT -5
Do you need me to send you a hammer? Or do you have your own?
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Post by Morluna on May 20, 2006 22:52:02 GMT -5
I think Pacp is a troll... no one is this stupid.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 20, 2006 22:54:57 GMT -5
You'd be surprised.... The people I've met...
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 21, 2006 4:05:22 GMT -5
i have experienced two decades of idiots. reminds me of a spoof t-shirt i owned back in the day....
'i see dumb people.'
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Post by pacp on May 22, 2006 15:55:01 GMT -5
Stop looking in the mirror and taking your picture then.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 23, 2006 2:14:02 GMT -5
christian insults...how christianly.
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Post by pacp on May 23, 2006 16:04:22 GMT -5
christian insults...how christianly. How about this one...you look like a before and after photo.
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Post by cervyy on May 24, 2006 1:54:10 GMT -5
christian insults...how christianly. How about this one...you look like a before and after photo. That seems more like a compliment to me ... like you are sooo good looking, the after pic is the same as the before!! ;D But then, insults aren't very Christiany indeed. Did you ask forgiveness after you posted?? And did you wonder why, even though you've already been born again, you still sin so? I was reading the Bible today and it said something about not insulting, in addition to bad language. Tsk, tsk
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 24, 2006 2:36:38 GMT -5
habitual sin...tsk, tsk..
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Post by pacp on May 24, 2006 11:27:22 GMT -5
How about this one...you look like a before and after photo. That seems more like a compliment to me ... like you are sooo good looking, the after pic is the same as the before!! ;D But then, insults aren't very Christiany indeed. Did you ask forgiveness after you posted?? And did you wonder why, even though you've already been born again, you still sin so? I was reading the Bible today and it said something about not insulting, in addition to bad language. Tsk, tsk Billy Sunday-God likes a little humor, as is evidence by the fact that he made the monkeys, the parrot -- and some of you people It was a playful attempt at humor. We shouldn't take ourselves to seriously....you make fun of my seplling.... So I threw it back at you...are you to prideful to laugh at your self a little?? God knows I laugh at some of the things I do.
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Post by cervyy on May 24, 2006 12:36:01 GMT -5
Billy Sunday-God likes a little humor, as is evidence by the fact that he made the monkeys, the parrot -- and some of you people It was a playful attempt at humor. We shouldn't take ourselves to seriously....you make fun of my seplling.... So I threw it back at you...are you to prideful to laugh at your self a little?? God knows I laugh at some of the things I do. Oh I laugh ... at myself ... a lot. Sometimes I wonder what my childhood trauma is that I do or say some of the things I do! ;D ;D
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Post by pacp on May 24, 2006 17:54:23 GMT -5
Possliby you have no childhood trauma. Just your communist professors are using your "feelings" to get you emonital and then set you against Christian values and God??
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