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Post by larryflint4prez on May 23, 2006 13:53:37 GMT -5
I notice that the moderators deleted my thread about sexual morality in the context of a loving, Christian marriage. Fair enough. It's your BBS and I'm just a guest. Still, it seems to me that if your objective is to confront sin, then you shouldn't need to censor thoughts and ideas that make you uncomfortable. Your mission is to look sin square in the eye, then tell each sinner why they are wrong and why they should repent. Instead, you just swept my thread under the carpet because it was icky. I mean I could understand if I had posted sexually explicit photos or links to pornography websites, but I didn't. I just asked about the biblical morality of several unusual sexual practices. In most cases I even used the academic descriptions of these practices (typically from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), rather than vulgarities. But no matter. This post isn't about censorship.
I've noticed that most Christians are reluctant to confront the darkest sins. Your group of open air preachers is touring college campuses to confront partying, binge drinking and pre-marital sex among willing twenty-somethings. Aren't you sort of limiting yourselves to baby sins? Why not minister to sex offenders in prison? Why not raise money to minister to strippers and escorts? The collection plate is probably filled with one dollar bills, and you're just letting it all go to waste if you're not using those $1 bills to do some one-2-one ministry with Destinee and Vixen at the Fantasy Ranch. Hey, and open air ministry is probably hard work, so why not release the tension with an exotic (full release) massage from Chad? You've probably seen Chad's advertisement in the local alternative newspaper (Call Chad: 6'2", tanned and muscular, offering exotic full body massage for men and women) ... doesn't he deserve to hear the good word too? Why not take your ministry to the city's adult theaters, adult bookstores and "cruisy" bathrooms? Maybe you'll be able to catch an autograph from George Michael, Hugh Grant or Eddie Murphy! In fact, I think some of you open air preachers are married ... so why not take your ministry to Lifestyles events and Swing clubs? Why not register at a BDSM website and take the good word there?
The fact is, you're not ready to confront sin. You live in daily fear of temptation. The men on this website couldn't look a stripper in the eyes and tell her to repent, because they couldn't get within 12 ft. of her without experiencing biological embarassment. You claim to be "filled with the Lord", but you're really burdened by shame and frailty. You don't confront sin ... you run from it.
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Post by rsmportland on May 23, 2006 13:59:26 GMT -5
Your screen name shows your level of deciet. You have no argument. Try reading the OAO mission statement.
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Post by larryflint4prez on May 23, 2006 14:10:57 GMT -5
Gotta link for that mission statement? And where exactly did I lie? It's absolutely true that the moderators deleted a thread I started, titled "In the context of a loving, Xian marriage". It appears absolutely true that members of your group do not minister to strippers, escorts, swingers or cruisies. Are certain people "too far gone" for your ministries? From my perspective it seems like an evangelist should stand prepared to confront all sin. Why sweep my questions under the rug? [Austin Powers]Do I make you h0rny, baby?[/Austin Powers]
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Post by evanschaible on May 23, 2006 14:22:18 GMT -5
Some of us do or have gone into prisons and jails. Why dont you get the facts before you rebuke.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 23, 2006 14:47:17 GMT -5
It should not surprise you if I tell you that there are quite a few college students who are strippers and porn-stars porn-prostitutes.
I was once preaching outside of a bar in Oklahoma. Inside I heard some sort of compitition between girls. I think it might have been one of those dreaded wet t-shirt contests. I could hear the announcer from outside on the street introduce all of the girls. He would also mention what their majors were in college. He introduced girls who are majoring in bussiness, journalism, etc etc!!
I did once go with another brother to some strip joints in Texas to preach with some amplification. We figured we could preach to people as they walk in, as they smoke their cigarettes, and as they leave. However there was so little traffic and our location was somewhat far away from the building since we didn't think we could preach on their parking lot, that we actually left early.
But, I'm sure that won't be the last time you'll find me preaching outside of a strip joint.
Colleges, bars, strip joints, prostitute corners, they are all the same to me.
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Post by biblethumper on May 23, 2006 15:37:03 GMT -5
Amen.... we're hitting the biker strip club in two weeks.... most of the girls are prossies on drugs...but you're right; no difference in any of those places; it's all filth
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Post by biblethumper on May 23, 2006 15:39:25 GMT -5
Hey my flint.... by the way, I had a man thrown in prison just two weeks ago for 2 years for molesting a 6 year old.. and you know what? I'm also seeking to win him to Jesus. Oh, yeah, i forgot...I spent 6 years in the clink myself, not for those things, but for violence, hostage taking, weapons, etc etc....I was a drug addict and a drunk...yeah, I started at a young age....'till Jesus got ahold of my life, praise God! So..... I preach against what you call "dark sins" as I was a "dark sinner" As miles would say.... we ain't cream pie preachers
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 23, 2006 15:46:13 GMT -5
I once preached open air from a cell in a county jail for about 4 hours, give or take.
All the open air preachers that I know of that have been arrested for preaching have all witnessed and preached while in jail.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on May 23, 2006 15:51:45 GMT -5
I've known some wonderful young Christian ladies who will go out to the streets with their hard earned money and "buy" a prostitute and take her out to dinner, or shopping and spend the entire evening with her, ministering to her, sharing scripture and the love of Christ.
The Gospel is for everyone! Strippers, drug addicts, the homeless, prostitutes, Frat boys, police officers, whitecollar workers and yes, even exotic masseuses (masseusi? masseusees?). I have no problem talking with someone who has any number of these backgrounds about the Gospel. However, I'm not going to be in support of their "profession" or the establishment in which they work.
Some may try to decry those who do ministry in the bar and club districts of cities because they seldom GO IN the clubs and bars. Well, the people who frequent or are employed at these establishments have to come OUT some time.
I know some people personally who will go out to these districts at 9, 10pm and witness to all sorts of people, but the person on their heart is the worn out barista who has been hit-on and slobbered at by all sorts of men all night, the stripper college student who is trying to make ends meet, the stressed out bouncers who have been beat on...and they will wait, wait, wait, in loving patience, through heat, cold or rain until 1, 2, 3 in the morning to talk to these people specifically.
Be careful where you apply your staw-man arguements, Larry.
While you are very observant when you say:
(That is a sad, sad truth)
Those things you mentioned are by no means "baby sins." They are just as damning as cocaine addiction and prostitution.
University and College campuses in America are melting-pots cess-pools of sin. On a single university campus you can find the stripper, the drunk, the prostitute, the drug addict, the fornicator, the blasphemer, the thief, the murderer. And while the hearers of the messages preached may predominatly be 20-something, we often run into high-school tours, parents and faculty on campuses.
Sometimes the only difference between preaching on a campus and preaching on the street is; on campus it's easier to deny "sins..." out on the streets, outside of the bars, clubs, brothels and porn shops, you catch them in the act.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 24, 2006 2:45:31 GMT -5
do they WANT to hear you preach though, jesse, afterall..they are prisoners...they cant escape you like the average, intelligent person would.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on May 24, 2006 10:00:48 GMT -5
There may have been some prisoners who wished that Paul and Silas would just shut up as they sang in jail...yet when the doors sprung open and jailer was going to kill himself Paul told him to stop, because everyone was still there.
I heard of a preacher who was thrown in jail for preaching...and while there he sang and sang and sang...from what I hear quite horribly as far as man's hearing goes, until they threw him out of the jail!
Richard Wurmbrand, a man who was imprisoned for 15 years (I believe) for his evangelism in communist Rumania, helped lead many Russian communist soldiers and officers to Christ. The tortures he and others suffered were horrendous, yet they continued to share Christ with their jailers and torturers and fellow prisoners...Because of the underhanded and deceptive conduct of communists to their commrades...often times torturers and jailers and officers would find themselves in the same cell as their victims...instead of rejection, Rev. Wurmbrand and others continued to evangelize, leading to many communists to turn from the atheistic communist life to Christ, indeed aiding the fall of communism in Rumania.
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Post by biblethumper on May 24, 2006 10:05:22 GMT -5
do they WANT to hear you preach though, jesse, afterall..they are prisoners...they cant escape you like the average, intelligent person would. When I was saved in a max security cell way back when....I may not have SAID I wanted to hear the Gospel..... but alone at night in my cell I did nothing but think about having God in my life and in my heart. So.... I'd say prisoners DO want to hear the Gospel, as they have heard everything else the WORLD has thrown at them....
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 25, 2006 8:41:49 GMT -5
biblethumper, because it was the only thing to do to escap the boredom of jail. therefore, you were saved for the wrong reasons...like most people that jesse and crew reach...or claim to reach.
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Post by ejuliot on May 27, 2006 14:23:01 GMT -5
biblethumper, because it was the only thing to do to escap the boredom of jail. therefore, you were saved for the wrong reasons...like most people that jesse and crew reach...or claim to reach. If that were true then when they got out of the boredom of prison they would go right back to what they were living for beforehand. But that hasn't happened with Jesse or Thumper.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 28, 2006 10:57:20 GMT -5
there are exceptions to every rule...gullibility is one.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 29, 2006 21:58:17 GMT -5
I find this statement to be very interesting coming from an unsaved person.
Please share Dusty, what is the right reason one must have to get saved? What do you believe should their motive and intention?
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 30, 2006 3:18:11 GMT -5
jesse, we all know that you believe that the holy spirit provides the instruments to interpret and understand scripture. so, why would you want me to even reply to you. you will scoff my intelligence--and understanding of sacred texts--as atheist foolery.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Jun 6, 2006 13:32:55 GMT -5
Larry,
That comment (which was deleted) was definitely inappropriate. While I am not against using satire at all within a discussion or debate; please refrain from vulgarity and/or obscenity and/or profanity. Thank you.
...please continue your discussion.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 6, 2006 15:49:22 GMT -5
aww. i didn't see it.
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