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Post by larryflint4prez on Jun 10, 2006 9:31:48 GMT -5
People say, "if your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail". With this cliche in mind, I would argue that man's only spiritual tool is a lone walkie-talkie called prayer ... and utilizing this tool leads to a dangerous confusion between your plans and God's plans.
What exactly are you doing when you pray? Are you sharing your deepest fears with a heavenly father-figure? Are talking out your problems with omnicient counciler? Submitting a wish list to a year-long Santa Claus? Or maybe you're just shooting the breeze with your imaginary, long-haired friend? Whatever your intentions are when you pray, I believe all of you would conceed that a prayer is a thought or a message sent out into an unobservable, supernatural void. You are sending your prayer to a God which cannot be found on a map or in a telephone directory.
Imagine you are alone and stranded on a deserted island. You search the island for days and you don't find any people, but you do find an abandoned radio transmitter. Every day you return to the radio transmitter to send out an S.O.S., but you're never sure if any one else is out there listening and you're never sure whether your radio reciever works. This is prayer. Desparate messages on a one-way radio broadcasting out to nowhere.
Maybe God is listening. Maybe God does answer prayers and maybe he does light the way for all those who ask. But suppose for a moment that God isn't out there listening. What do you suppose would happen to all those prayers? If our only spiritual tool is a one way radio, don't you think every problem we face will start to look like a sign from God? If you continue to send prayers of your concerns and desires into the void, eventually someone is going to answer ... even if you have to answer those prayers for yourself. Eventually, your plans become God's plans.
After all, there is no challenge that we encounter which could not be justified as a part of God's plan. Suppose you want to start your own ministry, but it's terribly unsuccessful ... perhaps God is trying to tell you that you aren't called to ministry ... but you could always claim that God is just testing your patience. Case in point, President Bush talks to God everyday ... but he never seems to take a hint. Try to convince Dubya that tax cuts for the rich, unilateral war and a continued commitment to foreign oil aren't part of God's plan.
You claim to submit your will to god, yet mysteriously God's plan is strikingly similar to your own plans. For example, when choosing a husband or a wife ... how many of you prayed to accept God's will and open your hearts up to the mate God chose for you? I mean, how many of you were ready to open your heart for any mate that God might choose? Would you accept God's will if he wanted you to marry a little person (i.e. a dwarf or a midget)? A handicapped person? Someone who was facially disfigured? Someone who was sterile? Guys, would you accept God's will if he wanted you to marry a former stripper, pornstar or prostitute who was born-again? Ladies, would you accept god's will if he wanted you to marry a former pedophile or sex offender that had been born again? Have you set up your own rules concerning who you might marry, or are you truly willing to accept God's plans? Do you expect God's will to conform to your own, or do you recognize that God's will often contradicts our own plans (e.g. the book of Job)?
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 10, 2006 9:41:15 GMT -5
excellent post, but let me add something. prayer is often used in dire situations, as the saying goes, "there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole." this in mind, let me provide an example of what i will soon explain.
someone breaks into your house. you have a wife and two kids. the thief, for this example, is much stronger than you, but you overpower him. your wife and kids lives are on the line, and you do not give a second thought as to what might happen to you. a christian performs the same feat, and through prayer he accomplishes something that seems impossible.
how was this done?
adrenaline. people do amazing things in times of need. mothers can lift cars to save their children, soldiers can drag several of their wounded comrades through gunfire to safety, and even children can out-run grown assailants.
there is no god involved, just the human body doing what it does best, protecting itself.
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Post by newsong on Jun 24, 2006 17:32:26 GMT -5
Do you believe the devil exists?
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 24, 2006 20:25:53 GMT -5
Whether they believe in the devil, the devil has them unless they repent, turn to God and place their Faith in Jesus Christ....
I would rather make mistakes in my seeking of God than to take pleasure in serving sin.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jun 25, 2006 0:58:03 GMT -5
Do I believe in a supernatural devil? No. I don't believe in anything supernatural. I don't believe in God. I don't believe in angels. So, naturally I cannot believe in the serpent from your God's garden of Eden nor can I believe in a fallen angel named Lucifer. I don't believe in the Leviathan of the old testament nor the Abbadon of St. John's apocolypse. As an existentialist, I sometimes wonder if I am, personally, a living "demon". Specifically, I wonder if maybe a few ancient humans shared my libertine ways, and maybe the ancient human herd labelled this behavior as "demonic" because they had no other explanation. Maybe there are even some biological, genetic or memetic roots behind man's "demonic" or "angelic" behavior. But that's just an aside, because it's not important what I believe since I don't pray.
You folks do pray. And you do believe in God and the devil. So how do you know who's on the other end of the line when you pick up your spiritual phone in prayer? Refering back to the "syllogism" thread and my thoughts on Salman Rushdie's _Satanic Verses_, how do you know that Yahweh is the good guy and Satan is the bad guy? If you must accept your supernatural "host" on blind faith alone ... how do you know you've picked the right one? I would argue that there is no scientific or even reasonable way to infer the nature of a supernatural being. Maybe your prayers are answered by an omnipotent, omnicient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent God manifested triunely as the father, son and holy spirit. Maybe you just answer your own prayers with your own narcissistic and neurotic wants, fears and prejudices. Or maybe, your prayers are answered by some other supernatural force ... possibly an evil force. How would you know?
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 25, 2006 1:33:26 GMT -5
...if yahweh and lucifer exist in the first place, they are most likely equals. in other words, they are both gods, a representation of yin-yang. they are polar opposites that keep the universe balanced. there can be no good without evil, and no evil without good.
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Post by newsong on Jun 25, 2006 1:36:56 GMT -5
Exactly my next comment Dan! Amen!
Hell exists and there are no exits.
If you knew God you would know the things you are asking but you choose not to beleive in Him but not knowing everything in the world or having all the answers doesnt make God Jehovah Creator of the Universe any less God. No one man has all the answers or they would be God. That is the reason no man can know all because man is not God. There is something in some men that want to be God something that wants to know all and because they do not, they say God does not exist.
I know God he is with me all day everyday and I can hear Him and am led by Him and I pray for the strength to do what he is asking me to do. I have seen the miraculous many times in provison and healing. And have audibly heard angels singing and souls wailing and so much more than I could write here. God answers prayers but as he sees fit. We cannot demand God.
Look outside and see He created all things. And no it has not been easy; my path has been painful but I still believe in God and still want to know him more. He does not wave a magic wand and make things okay. He is with us in the storms. Sometimes he stops them sometimes he is with us through them. He is not looking at outward things but the inner man and makes us strong on the inside. He wants us to trust him fully and make him our all sufficiency totally relying on him alone.
You can only know him by repenting that is the key; from your heart and want to follow him> Otherwise as you; there is a blindness, a veil over your eyes. Thats the truth wether you believe it or not. You need to humble yourself. While puffing yourselves up and being proud and sneering why would God come and reveal himself to you? Well he may but not in a way you would want. Every knee will bow in your time to Jesus and say he is Lord. Every eye will see His return in your time. God is a good God and His mercy endures forever. Your heart is hardened so you cannot see.
Repent and stop being the devils puppet.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 25, 2006 1:38:14 GMT -5
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jun 25, 2006 9:53:00 GMT -5
...if yahweh and lucifer exist in the first place, they are most likely equals. in other words, they are both gods, a representation of yin-yang. they are polar opposites that keep the universe balanced. there can be no good without evil, and no evil without good. I wouldn't say that. To me, that seems like a false dilemma or "package deal" fallacy. We humans literally don't know anything about the supernatural. We don't know if the supernatural exists at all, and if it does exist we have no means to determine what the supernatural might be like. It's sort of poetic or even zen to think that good and evil might exist in perfect balance, but I believe it's just wishful thinking. If the supernatural does exist, it certainly wouldn't have to conform to our ideals. There may be more good than evil, more evil than good or they may be balanced, but no earthly evidence could indicate what is actually true. Believing that supernatural good and evil exist in a balance is no more logical than believing in a triune God who wants us to REPENT. ;D Biblethumper and newsong, you aren't really addressing any of my questions. You're just repeating the same old rhetoric that you spew on the streets as open air preachers. You cannot answer every question by telling me I need to repent. Unless you are just mindless, godbot automatons. Again, how do you know that your God is the good guy? How do you know that you aren't answering your own prayers with your own guilty, neurotic and narcissistic beliefs? What is your evidence? What is your spiritual experience in this matter? "Larry, you need to repent", is not a valid answer here.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 25, 2006 20:02:37 GMT -5
you wasted an entire post because you did not spy the 'if' as my opening words...heh.
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Post by abb on Jun 27, 2006 18:31:19 GMT -5
I would like to make a note on prayer;
I have just been reading this book, The Age of Reason ( which is one of the best reads I have ever... read...) and, I would like to quote a deist's perspective on prayer.
Sorry to get off topic, but I fuckin love this book =D.
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 13, 2006 23:09:47 GMT -5
People say, "if your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail". With this cliche in mind, I would argue that man's only spiritual tool is a lone walkie-talkie called prayer ... and utilizing this tool leads to a dangerous confusion between your plans and God's plans. What exactly are you doing when you pray? Are you sharing your deepest fears with a heavenly father-figure? Are talking out your problems with omnicient counciler? Submitting a wish list to a year-long Santa Claus? Or maybe you're just shooting the breeze with your imaginary, long-haired friend? Whatever your intentions are when you pray, I believe all of you would conceed that a prayer is a thought or a message sent out into an unobservable, supernatural void. You are sending your prayer to a God which cannot be found on a map or in a telephone directory. Imagine you are alone and stranded on a deserted island. You search the island for days and you don't find any people, but you do find an abandoned radio transmitter. Every day you return to the radio transmitter to send out an S.O.S., but you're never sure if any one else is out there listening and you're never sure whether your radio reciever works. This is prayer. Desparate messages on a one-way radio broadcasting out to nowhere. Maybe God is listening. Maybe God does answer prayers and maybe he does light the way for all those who ask. But suppose for a moment that God isn't out there listening. What do you suppose would happen to all those prayers? If our only spiritual tool is a one way radio, don't you think every problem we face will start to look like a sign from God? If you continue to send prayers of your concerns and desires into the void, eventually someone is going to answer ... even if you have to answer those prayers for yourself. Eventually, your plans become God's plans. After all, there is no challenge that we encounter which could not be justified as a part of God's plan. Suppose you want to start your own ministry, but it's terribly unsuccessful ... perhaps God is trying to tell you that you aren't called to ministry ... but you could always claim that God is just testing your patience. Case in point, President Bush talks to God everyday ... but he never seems to take a hint. Try to convince Dubya that tax cuts for the rich, unilateral war and a continued commitment to foreign oil aren't part of God's plan. You claim to submit your will to god, yet mysteriously God's plan is strikingly similar to your own plans. For example, when choosing a husband or a wife ... how many of you prayed to accept God's will and open your hearts up to the mate God chose for you? I mean, how many of you were ready to open your heart for any mate that God might choose? Would you accept God's will if he wanted you to marry a little person (i.e. a dwarf or a midget)? A handicapped person? Someone who was facially disfigured? Someone who was sterile? Guys, would you accept God's will if he wanted you to marry a former stripper, pornstar or prostitute who was born-again? Ladies, would you accept god's will if he wanted you to marry a former pedophile or sex offender that had been born again? Have you set up your own rules concerning who you might marry, or are you truly willing to accept God's plans? Do you expect God's will to conform to your own, or do you recognize that God's will often contradicts our own plans (e.g. the book of Job)? Interesting concept, you say "He does not exist, so he doesn't". I say you don't exist. Prove you exist. And yes I did marry the person of God's choice.
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 13, 2006 23:12:12 GMT -5
excellent post, but let me add something. prayer is often used in dire situations, as the saying goes, "there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole." this in mind, let me provide an example of what i will soon explain. someone breaks into your house. you have a wife and two kids. the thief, for this example, is much stronger than you, but you overpower him. your wife and kids lives are on the line, and you do not give a second thought as to what might happen to you. a christian performs the same feat, and through prayer he accomplishes something that seems impossible. how was this done? adrenaline. people do amazing things in times of need. mothers can lift cars to save their children, soldiers can drag several of their wounded comrades through gunfire to safety, and even children can out-run grown assailants. there is no god involved, just the human body doing what it does best, protecting itself. Air doesn't exist either.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 13, 2006 23:59:10 GMT -5
Interesting concept, you say "He does not exist, so he doesn't". Tell me if you've heard this one: a straw man, a red herring and an unprovable claim walk into a bar ... Straw man I never claimed God doesn't exist in this post, and I certainly gave no reasons why I might think god doesn't exist. My whole perspective on the God issue is that NO ONE can know for sure if God does exist or if God does not exist. I have never strayed from the position that supernatural cannot be tested with empirical means. I never made this argument you presented on my behalf, and implying that I did is called a straw man arguement. You cannot refute my argument by attempting to discredit me with a ficticious argument I never made. Nice try. My post posits a hypothetical ... what if God doesn't hear your prayers. That could mean that God doesn't exist. It could also mean that you are praying incorrectly or God doesn't care. My post was not an argument claiming that God does not exist. I am an Atheist, but I never argue that God does not objectively exist. I do not believe God exists for purely subjective reasons. I realize the folly in trying to disprove God's objective existence. Whether or not God exists is unknowable. I say you don't exist. Prove you exist. Cogito ergo sum, retard. I can't prove objectively that I exist, because I can't prove that there is actually an objective world that exists. None of can, because we only experience the world through our subjective perceptions. Subjectively, I believe that I exist, because I'm sitting here writing and thinking. I think therefore I am. I can't prove this kind of metaphysical claim to you, but I hope that you subjectively accept that I exist, or else you are a schizo talking to an imaginary porn obsessed Satanic genius. Red Herring This is also an informal fallacy on your part. It's called a red herring. You cannot refute my claim by misdirecting my attention to some other argument. And yes I did marry the person of God's choice. Prove it. How would you know if you married the woman God intended? Is your claim logical? Reasonable. Empirical? Does your claim rely upon certain assumptions? How could you verify the truth of those assumptions? Again, I argue that no one can verify any claim about the supernatural, because the supernatural is irrefutable. No earthly evidence could ever refute a claim about the supernatural, which implies that no earthly evidence can support a supernatural claim. Furthermore, isn't your wife someone you would have been attracted to even if you weren't saved? Is she attractive? Pleasant? Virtuous? Smart? Funny? How does your marriage fit into God's great scheme? What is his purpose in marrying you to this woman? Do God's plans for you conveniently match your own plans for life?
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 14, 2006 0:49:06 GMT -5
Interesting concept, you say "He does not exist, so he doesn't".[/quote] Tell me if you've heard this one: a straw man, a red herring and an unprovable claim walk into a bar ... Yes tell me if you heard this one, a priest, rabbi, and idiot go fishing......... Straw man I never claimed God doesn't exist in this post, and I certainly gave no reasons why I might think god doesn't exist. Yes you did you implied that God can not hear prayers, because there is no way of proving his existence, in object or faith. My whole perspective on the God issue is that NO ONE can know for sure if God does exist But those that believe on him do know, it's just you refuse to believe in the things unseen. You need proof. or if God does not exist. I have never strayed from the position that supernatural cannot be tested with empirical means. I never made this argument you presented on my behalf, and implying that I did is called a straw man arguement. You cannot refute my argument by attempting to discredit me with a ficticious argument I never made. Nice try. I don't have to discredit you, you did a good job, all by yourself, if you cannot answer the question, bail, call it a strawman. My post posits a hypothetical ... what if God doesn't hear your prayers. Hypothetically, what if He can? That could mean that God doesn't exist. That could mean he does. It could also mean that you are praying incorrectly or God doesn't care. It could mean that you have two hands and a brain, that God made. or maybe not. My post was not an argument claiming that God does not exist. Yes it was....under all that whining of "What if he can't hear me, oh no.." I am an Atheist, but I never argue that God does not objectively exist. Like that couldn't be seen in your words,,,,,,an Atheist,,,,,,what a surprise. I do not believe God exists for purely subjective reasons. Obviously it would have to be your own reasoning. I realize the folly in trying to disprove God's objective existence. Whether or not God exists is unknowable. You want God to appear visually to you? Cogito ergo sum, retard. Right back atch ya, idiot. I can't prove objectively that I exist, because I can't prove that there is actually an objective world that exists. Well, then nothing exists. None of can, because we only experience the world through our subjective perceptions. Stick my hand on a hot stove.....it's all in my mind, it won't hurt. Subjectively, I believe that I exist, because I'm sitting here writing and thinking. I think therefore I am. Nah,,,,I don't believe you think. I can't prove this kind of metaphysical claim to you I know......even if men vouch for your existance,,,,over 500, and they write of you,,,,,,you still don't exist...... , but I hope that you subjectively accept that I exist, or else you are a schizo talking to an imaginary porn obsessed Satanic genius. The second part.......nevermind........ Red Herring This is also an informal fallacy on your part. It's called a red herring. You cannot refute my claim by misdirecting my attention to some other argument. What other argument? Your trying to prove that answer to prayers our subjective....and really there is no God, that's your argument. And yes I did marry the person of God's choice. Prove it. How would you know if you married the woman God intended? Oh, I prayed to God for my spouse. Is your claim logical? Reasonable. Empirical? Does your claim rely upon certain assumptions? Nope. How could you verify the truth of those assumptions? Spouse prayed also. Again, I argue that no one can verify any claim about the supernatural, because the supernatural is irrefutable. And you can't prove you exist. A strawman. No earthly evidence could ever refute a claim about the supernatural, which implies that no earthly evidence can support a supernatural claim. What is the criteria for evidence? Furthermore, isn't your wife someone you would have been attracted to even if you weren't saved? Is she attractive? Pleasant? Virtuous? Smart? Funny? Why yes, I am attractive, pleasant, viruous, smart and funny. Thank you How does your marriage fit into God's great scheme? Be fruitful and multiply, I have come to seek and save, and lead sinners to repentance. What is his purpose in marrying you to this woman? You'll have to ask my husband. Do God's plans for you conveniently match your own plans for life?[/quote] No, they were the complete opposite.
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Post by jackjackson on Jul 14, 2006 15:59:41 GMT -5
This is sure a strange subject and responses! All I know now is what I have experienced. Just over 5 years ago I trusted Jesus Christ. I knew in my conscience I had done things wrong, as simple as that. I knew those things deserved punishment, and heard that Jesus had died to pay my fine. It sounded like a great deal. It was more than that, it became an eye openning experience of suddenly being in light and realizing how dark it was where I didn't even see it was dark. As I began to fellowship with God, it was not confussing. I didn't feel I was sending prayers out to some space, I knew who I was speaking to and He spoke back in a non-audible way. Case in point: I remember being woken up one night several years ago by the Lord and asked to write an article called "Star Trek or Stronghold" found in the devotional section of ministerwhereyouare.org. I got hate mail from many who questioned my harshness against the space program. That changed in 3 days when the shuttle blew up coming back into the atmosphere. I was at an outreach 1 year ago and was told Islam had a booth, preaching Islam and that I was to go and talk to them. I wanted nothing to do with that, until the Lord brought Jeremiah 1:6-8 and told me to go and not be afraid, because He was going with me. After nearly and hour of back and forth, they teased me about believing the flood story and about the Red Sea parting. I felt the Lord rise up in me and I pointed to them and asked "Is your god so weak, he could not do these things! My God is the Creator God and all things are subject to Him!" With that, a huge gust of wind lifted their 10' x 10' pop-up tent over our head, and threw it back on the sidewalk behind us. No one elses tent/booths were touched! Not that day, nor the rest of the weekend were any booths touched. I looked at them and said "I rest my case". I do the same now! Jack Jackson
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 14, 2006 20:51:33 GMT -5
This is sure a strange subject and responses! All I know now is what I have experienced. Just over 5 years ago I trusted Jesus Christ. I knew in my conscience I had done things wrong, as simple as that. I knew those things deserved punishment, and heard that Jesus had died to pay my fine. It sounded like a great deal. It was more than that, it became an eye openning experience of suddenly being in light and realizing how dark it was where I didn't even see it was dark. As I began to fellowship with God, it was not confussing. I didn't feel I was sending prayers out to some space, I knew who I was speaking to and He spoke back in a non-audible way. Case in point: I remember being woken up one night several years ago by the Lord and asked to write an article called "Star Trek or Stronghold" found in the devotional section of ministerwhereyouare.org. I got hate mail from many who questioned my harshness against the space program. That changed in 3 days when the shuttle blew up coming back into the atmosphere. I was at an outreach 1 year ago and was told Islam had a booth, preaching Islam and that I was to go and talk to them. I wanted nothing to do with that, until the Lord brought Jeremiah 1:6-8 and told me to go and not be afraid, because He was going with me. After nearly and hour of back and forth, they teased me about believing the flood story and about the Red Sea parting. I felt the Lord rise up in me and I pointed to them and asked "Is your god so weak, he could not do these things! My God is the Creator God and all things are subject to Him!" With that, a huge gust of wind lifted their 10' x 10' pop-up tent over our head, and threw it back on the sidewalk behind us. No one elses tent/booths were touched! Not that day, nor the rest of the weekend were any booths touched. I looked at them and said "I rest my case". I do the same now! Jack Jackson Great testimony Jack! Give the glory to God[/color]
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 15, 2006 0:17:27 GMT -5
Sorry, sequindaisies, I should have figured out from your screenname that your intelligence was handicapped by a v@gina. [rimshot] Doesn't the bible say you should keep your sweet tail in the kitchen or something? You are, by far, the least articulate and least insightful fundie I've encountered on this site. Please learn how to use ubb markup more effectively. Please learn the meaning of a straw man argument, because you don't seem to understand what it means. Clean up your messy reply, and maybe I will school you darlin'.
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 15, 2006 0:20:41 GMT -5
Sorry, sequindaisies, I should have figured out from your screenname that your intelligence was handicapped by a v@gina. [rimshot] Doesn't the bible say you should keep your sweet tail in the kitchen or something? You are, by far, the least articulate and least insightful fundie I've encountered on this site. Please learn how to use ubb markup more effectively. Please learn the meaning of a straw man argument, because you don't seem to understand what it means. Clean up your messy reply, and maybe I will school you darlin'. Another heathen defeated......
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 15, 2006 0:22:54 GMT -5
Alright sweetheart, let the menfolk talk now.
BTW, still haven't figured out that mark up stuff yet, have you?
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 15, 2006 0:25:51 GMT -5
Alright sweetheart, let the menfolk talk now. Thanks I am a sweetheart,,,,, but your not a man.
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Post by cervyy on Jul 15, 2006 6:19:28 GMT -5
Daisies has definetely proven to not be as true a "Christian" as she thinks she is. Even I can see that.
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 15, 2006 16:17:49 GMT -5
Daisies has definetely proven to not be as true a "Christian" as she thinks she is. Even I can see that. That's right you still see.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 15, 2006 19:21:26 GMT -5
Thanks I am a sweetheart,,,,, but your not a man. I believe you meant to write: "You're not a man." The word "your" is a possessive adjective. The contraction "You're" implies the noun "You" and the verb "are". Normally, I wouldn't care to point that out, but I remember you made a big stink when abb misspelled empirical on another thread. Seems your spelling and grammar isn't anything to write home about. And you still can't manage this ubb markup stuff. It ain't that hard darlin'. BTW, is that you in the picture, sequindaisies? Maybe my eyesight is going bad, but it appears that you have a beard or a moustache? Do you work as a bearded lady? Possibly your husband wears a miniskirt and go go boots while street preaching?
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 15, 2006 20:04:27 GMT -5
This is sure a strange subject and responses! All I know now is what I have experienced. Just over 5 years ago I trusted Jesus Christ. I knew in my conscience I had done things wrong, as simple as that. I knew those things deserved punishment, and heard that Jesus had died to pay my fine. It sounded like a great deal. It was more than that, it became an eye openning experience of suddenly being in light and realizing how dark it was where I didn't even see it was dark. As I began to fellowship with God, it was not confussing. I didn't feel I was sending prayers out to some space, I knew who I was speaking to and He spoke back in a non-audible way. Case in point: I remember being woken up one night several years ago by the Lord and asked to write an article called "Star Trek or Stronghold" found in the devotional section of ministerwhereyouare.org. I got hate mail from many who questioned my harshness against the space program. That changed in 3 days when the shuttle blew up coming back into the atmosphere. I was at an outreach 1 year ago and was told Islam had a booth, preaching Islam and that I was to go and talk to them. I wanted nothing to do with that, until the Lord brought Jeremiah 1:6-8 and told me to go and not be afraid, because He was going with me. After nearly and hour of back and forth, they teased me about believing the flood story and about the Red Sea parting. I felt the Lord rise up in me and I pointed to them and asked "Is your god so weak, he could not do these things! My God is the Creator God and all things are subject to Him!" With that, a huge gust of wind lifted their 10' x 10' pop-up tent over our head, and threw it back on the sidewalk behind us. No one elses tent/booths were touched! Not that day, nor the rest of the weekend were any booths touched. I looked at them and said "I rest my case". I do the same now! You're using the regression fallacy. The fact that you criticized the space program and then we lost a space shuttle doesn't demonstrate a cause and effect relationship. In fact the whole thing is sort of morbid and egotistical. You think God is going to blow up a space shuttle and kill a handful of people to prove you right? Same thing with your pop-up tent. Do you think God is that trivial? Do you believe God will knock down tents to mock your detracters? Really? I bet you're one of those Christians who prays for good parking spaces and praises God when his enemies are humiliated. Do you really think God has nothing better to do than taunt some Muslims at an outreach?
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Post by abb on Jul 15, 2006 21:03:04 GMT -5
God hardly has time for the muslims anymore ={
Now he has the pastafarians, the invisible pink unicornians, and other such religions to worry about. The god's in those religions are much too nice, with very little violent histories among the members ( pastafarianism has 0 recorded assaults/murders/crimesingeneral associated with pastafarianism, whereas christians have quite a few to boot.... the inquisition, holocaust, crusades, etc.). God just can't compete anymore! And with flimsy moral standards that the pastafarians boast about, membership is quick and easy! No tithing, no self mutiliation, no bitching, its just you, me, and the flying spaghetti monster.
God has lost his monopoly! Think microsoft... losing all it's smartest shareholders/financers. With cheaper, better alternatives, Jebus just isn't appealing anymore. And as AMD takes down Intel's monopoly, cheaper, more efficient alternatives are being introduced into religion. Pastafarianism will prevail, with the low maintenance, 0 church attendence, and flimsy moral standards.
Now, do you want the more expensive, less efficient, monopoly religion? I think not!
Support the underdog, and take out that monopoly!
That's why God is having a bit of trouble taunting muslims nowadays ={
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 15, 2006 23:56:05 GMT -5
Thanks I am a sweetheart,,,,, but your not a man. I believe you meant to write: "You're not a man." The word "your" is a possessive adjective. The contraction "You're" implies the noun "You" and the verb "are". Normally, I wouldn't care to point that out, but I remember you made a big stink when abb misspelled empirical on another thread. Seems your spelling and grammar isn't anything to write home about. And you still can't manage this ubb markup stuff. It ain't that hard darlin'. BTW, is that you in the picture, sequindaisies? Maybe my eyesight is going bad, but it appears that you have a beard or a moustache? Do you work as a bearded lady? Possibly your husband wears a miniskirt and go go boots while street preaching? Boy, that must have taken you all day to figure out. Gee I want to get this right... You are not a man, nope that's not it. Your not a man. nope
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Post by sequindaisies on Jul 16, 2006 0:03:14 GMT -5
I believe you meant to write: "You're not a man." The word "your" is a possessive adjective. The contraction "You're" implies the noun "You" and the verb "are". Normally, I wouldn't care to point that out, but I remember you made a big stink when abb misspelled empirical on another thread. Seems your spelling and grammar isn't anything to write home about. And you still can't manage this ubb markup stuff. It ain't that hard darlin'. BTW, is that you in the picture, sequindaisies? Maybe my eyesight is going bad, but it appears that you have a beard or a moustache? Do you work as a bearded lady? Possibly your husband wears a miniskirt and go go boots while street preaching?[ Boy, that must have taken you all day to figure out. Gee I want to get this right... You are not a man, nope that's not it. Your not a man. nope YOU'RE NOT A MAN,,,,,,,,YUP THAT'S IT..... Heh cowboy, are you really this dense or do you just pretend to be?
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Post by abb on Jul 16, 2006 3:12:35 GMT -5
Look who's talking.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jul 16, 2006 10:20:28 GMT -5
Sequindaisies, no sane or intelligent person would read this thread and believe that I am dense while you are not. You cannot defeat me in a debate by using the Foghorn Leghorn approach. Your behavior suggests to me that you are very insecure about your own intelligence. My guess is that you had domineering parents and you experienced some kind of educational failure as a young person. I would guess you grew up with a PTA mother who pushed you into gifted classes at an early age, even though you really had average intelligence. Then you probably dropped out of high school or flunked out of college or something. Maybe you got knocked up somewhere along the way and you used that as an excuse. Of course, I'm just speculating, but I've seen this type of behavior before from unintelligent women. You seem like a very typical working mother cashier at Walmart, who grew up believing she was the bee's knees and still wants to let everyone know about it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet I've struck a nerve. Believe what you want about me, but I'm not going to continue trading insults with you ... I'll reply when you write something of substance.
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