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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 19, 2006 21:20:28 GMT -5
ABHORRENCE, NOT TOLERANCE Vance Havner
Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Romans 12:9
We are not to tolerate evil but abhor it. The mood of the age is to put up with evil, allow it, and then move easily to play with it and finally practice it. Tolerance is a pet word these days, and we stretch our consciences while we ?broaden? our minds. But the Word of God tells us that the fear of the Lord is to hate evil and that we are to abstain from the very appearance of evil. There is no leniency toward sin whatever in that. Nothing is more dangerous to our spiritual well-being than a mild amiability that smiles at sin. Some have come to think that there is something noble in a mild attitude toward sin. Compassion on the sinful is one thing, but never confuse it with tolerance of evil. We have sunk to an acceptance of that toward which God counsels abhorrence and behold the harvest!
A holy, healthy hatred of sin and indignation at evil is our crying need today, because we fear not God ? and the fear of the Lord is to hate evil.
The daily devotions are from Day By Day by Vance Havner. Fleming H. Revell Company, 1953.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:26:04 GMT -5
Evil is based on perspective. A serial killer does not think murder is evil.
So you would abhor us infidels because we are evil? Yes, burn us all!!!!
Put us in ovens, gas chambers, concentration camps!
Would that make you happy, Jesse?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:26:22 GMT -5
Or a better question would be, would that make your kind and caring Lord happy?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 19, 2006 21:29:50 GMT -5
Some men may not "think" a certain action is sin which God has declared sin. But all men "know" specificly what is sin and what is not sin because God has written it on our hearts. Sinners are never with excuse.
But I don't want any harm for any sinner. I want you to turn from your sin and put your faith in Christ. He died on the cross for your sin so that you could live. But if you cross His love you will die on Judgment Day.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:36:12 GMT -5
Does it matter what you want? Your Lord abhors us. He hates us. He has no love for us. We were born to be abhored, according to this.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 19, 2006 21:37:52 GMT -5
God does abhor you. But not because you were born to be abhored. But because you have made yourself an abomination in his sight by committing abominations.
Only Christ can cleanse you. In sin, your filthy. But in Christ, you can be righteous.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:39:11 GMT -5
And not only that, but clearly your Lord wants everyone to hate us infidels... where do you draw the line?
Where do you know the saved and unsaved?
Is someone who only tolerates aryan white men righteous? He's a heterosexual, hates all people not of his faith...
He clearly is doing what his god is telling him to do ... and he enjoys it... he kills niggers and jews.
He abhors what he knows to be evil, so clearly, this man must be a very decent, saved soul.
WOOT INTOLERANCE TOWARDS OTHERS!!!!
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:40:08 GMT -5
He created me; he knew from the beginning that I was going to choose to be atheist because I could not see sufficient evidence of his holiness...
Clearly, he created me to abhor me.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:41:26 GMT -5
How do you know that you aren't an abomination? Maybe god likes people who don't accept what they see at face value. Maybe he's testing you with this book he calls the bible. How do you know he's not?
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Post by rebecca01 on Jun 19, 2006 21:44:52 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing ABB that you really believe that.Sometimes I think you just say things.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 19, 2006 21:46:59 GMT -5
It's a method of arguing(sp?). Please go with it, or don't respond to it. I know I don't believe that, because I don't believe god exists.
That is what we call a hypothetical situation, for future reference. Unfortunetly, in this case, the hypothetical situation is just as likely as the situation in which you believe in, and the situation that I believe in.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 19, 2006 22:53:45 GMT -5
How do you know that you aren't an abomination? Maybe god likes people who don't accept what they see at face value. Maybe he's testing you with this book he calls the bible. How do you know he's not? I've often thought just this
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Post by cervyy on Jun 19, 2006 22:57:21 GMT -5
But all men "know" specificly what is sin and what is not sin because God has written it on our hearts. Sinners are never with excuse. Actually ... to give myself a challenge to help me become a better artist I've started drawing, well, let's just say less-then-innocent pictures. Smexy and stuff. Now, instead of feeling that it is wrong and I am actually thrilled to see a visible improvement in my art. It's not written on my heart NOT to draw "dirty" pictures.
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Post by larryflint4prez on Jun 19, 2006 23:10:16 GMT -5
Jesse, you are misusing the word "tolerate". When you tolerate something, you simply allow it to be. Since Christ commands you to turn the other cheek, you must tolerate sin. Notice I'm not saying that you have to endorse sin ... support it or otherwise enable sin ... but you do have to tolerate it. Unless you're willing to pick up arms and drag us heathens to the prisons (and eventually the ovens) ... you are going to have to tolerate sin. No amount of open air preaching or prayer or what have you will ever prevent me from getting high, jerking off or fornicating and sodomizing twenty-somethings. What can I say? Ever since I was a wee lad ... I always wanted to grow ... up to be ... be a debaser. BTW, for a thorough demonstration of the difference between tolerance and acceptance, watch South Park episode 614 titled, " Death Camp of Tolerance"
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 19, 2006 23:37:20 GMT -5
jesse, how do you abhor sin and not punish people for it--is that not the very definition of tolerance?
point for me. haha.
i agree with what was said above in that i think that christians secretly want to 'punish' heathens for their 'sins' against god. you can put me in an oven if you want jesse, but i don't taste good.
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Post by Doc H on Jun 19, 2006 23:57:16 GMT -5
Evil is based on perspective. A serial killer does not think murder is evil.
Because he has seared his conscience. But one day he will give an account before God just like yoy will.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 19, 2006 23:58:08 GMT -5
But like you just said Doc, he won't feel that what he did was wrong ...
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Post by Doc H on Jun 20, 2006 0:02:41 GMT -5
But like you just said Doc, he won't feel that what he did was wrong ...
He did before his conscience became seared. God has given him over to a reprobate mind.
You should read some of the 'testimonies' of serial killers-makes very interesting reading. Always starts with 'petty' crime and then progresses to more 'serious' crime. At the beginning their conscience does bother them.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 20, 2006 0:11:23 GMT -5
this does not imply that god was involved in any way, but that crime has a social stigma placed on it, because it is obviously against the law. children grow up with a natural fear/respect of adults/parents, etc. so, once they start acting in a manner that is counterculture, they feel guilty, because they fear getting caught--not a fear of god or hell.
remember, its not wrong unless you get caught.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 20, 2006 0:11:37 GMT -5
Well, hypothetically, what if Serial killer "ted" killed since he could first hold a knife? He never knew it was wrong. What then?
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Post by cervyy on Jun 20, 2006 0:13:21 GMT -5
But if their consience was able to be "seared" or changed then it was God's intention that it COULD happen. Meaning that the state of his consience after "searage" is the state God wanted him to be in SO God wanted him to feel it was okat to kill!!!
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Post by shangxin on Jun 20, 2006 12:01:19 GMT -5
God abhors people? I thought God loved people. Hate the sin, love the sinner. The verse you listed said nothing about abhoring people, only evil. Once again a fundamentalist twists the Bible.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 20, 2006 16:23:17 GMT -5
to fundamentalists, twist and truth go hand in hand.
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