walterparr
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Post by walterparr on Aug 9, 2006 10:26:03 GMT -5
Many Christian ministries nowadays seem to be more involved in political activism and getting laws passed then soul saving. Is this accomplishing anything?
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Post by abb on Aug 9, 2006 10:48:56 GMT -5
Which question do you want us to answer?
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 9, 2006 11:21:37 GMT -5
hmm.... He only asked one question didn't he?
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Post by abb on Aug 9, 2006 11:27:44 GMT -5
No: His first question that he posed on the poll says "Does making people behave like xians, without converting them, accomplishing anything?"
His second question, that shows up on his post says "Is being a politically active christian instead of a soul saving christian accomplishing anything?"
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 9, 2006 11:53:51 GMT -5
no, its not accomplishing anything, unless you consider a theocracy 'something.'
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Post by Josh Parsley on Aug 9, 2006 12:01:43 GMT -5
If you put them together it should be easy to understand. He is asking if making laws that reflect Christian values are doing any good if the people are not converted.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 9, 2006 12:51:39 GMT -5
i think i am going to start calling christian legalists, 'paulians.'
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Post by walterparr on Aug 9, 2006 13:13:07 GMT -5
Hey HSTN2983, your line says You swear you're not the devil - true true; we know that.
but.....
you ARE one of his sons.
Don't think you REALLY want to end up living in your dad's retirement home for all eternity. Lake of fire is NOT the views you want.\
I pray you get the RIGHT dad: Yahweh before it's to late.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 9, 2006 13:26:56 GMT -5
you only have one father, and my father is a christian that lives in whitehouse, texas. thank you, but hell--according to my in-depth study of christian theology--is not a lake of fire, but eternal separation from god. 'sheol' is a jewish interpretation of hell, because it was the closest physical thing they could compare 'hell' to....remember...in all things 'good' and 'bad' the bible is written in the language of man, and according to the bible itself, and theologians everywhere, language cannot describe the essence of god himself....nothing can come close.
so, please stop scaring me with tactics you know nothing of yourself. maybe it would help if christians actually read the bible for a change...like me.
...in other words, this is no different than how heathens view death: nothingness, rotting in the grave.
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Post by walterparr on Aug 9, 2006 14:30:08 GMT -5
Revelation 20:14-15(14) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (15) And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Sorry sir, the lake of fire is a REAL place.
Denying that reality does NOT make it any less so.
Only ONE way to avoid that reality as Yahweh declares thru Revelation 20:15 - that is to have your name written in the book of LIFE. And that is accomplished thru a RELATIONSHIP (not a religion)
John 17:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Y'shua Messiah, whom You have sent.
If you hate God and religion so much (I hate religion too, it's a deady replacement for a relationship with Yahweh) then WHY are you here on this board?
Do you think you can bring ANY born-again believer over to YOUR way of thinking?
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Post by oap001 on Aug 9, 2006 15:05:20 GMT -5
Many Christian ministries nowadays seem to be more involved in political activism and getting laws passed then soul saving. Is this accomplishing anything? Getting unsaved people to act Christian accomplishes nothing. As far as political activism: I feel that we must occupy until He comes. That means acting Christian and participating in our Government. And holding our leaders accountable.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 10, 2006 7:27:14 GMT -5
i am not trying to uproot your faith. i am at war against fundamentalism. there is nothing wrong with christianity, only pharisees such as yourself.
note: walter, it saddens me that you are that ignorant of the bible. you are feeding me english. i KNOW what it says in english, kid. read the original text in greek, and then compare the word/phrases to the hebrew description of hell. you will find that what i posted was accurate. you shouldn't spout off things you know nothing of...
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Post by cervyy on Aug 12, 2006 13:06:18 GMT -5
Revelation 20:14-15(14) Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. (15) And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
But, hey, what's Hades doing in the Bible?? I thought God was the onloy diety??? ;D Guess not.
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Post by robdog on Aug 12, 2006 13:39:01 GMT -5
I don't think it accomplishes anything. If anything, it gives Christians a sence that they're accomplishing a lot, while it's all in vein. I understand we are supposed to love our neighbor and to be salt and light, but if we can't save them from the gates of hell, everything else is mundane.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 12, 2006 16:51:55 GMT -5
As Ravenhill said, "You can't legislate morality". And also, "The way some Christians act you would think that politicians were the light of the world" and "We need the upper room not the oval office".
The ultimate answer is not having righteous laws (though we must have righteous laws). But the ultimate answer is heart regeneration.
It's not merely getting a sinner to live right. But it's about getting a sinner to live for Jesus. Because until a person lives for Jesus, it doesn't matter how much good they do, they aren't living right.
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 12, 2006 20:19:40 GMT -5
Many Christian ministries nowadays seem to be more involved in political activism and getting laws passed then soul saving. Is this accomplishing anything? We here are involved in political activism, and it does much good; it (1) allows us to cry against sin, and (2) allows us to proclaim, fully, the Gospel.
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 13, 2006 9:38:19 GMT -5
I was forced to vote yes. It does accomplish ONE thing - it accomplishes getting the sinner to behave morally.
On the other hand, it accomplishes nothing spiritually as they are still vicious rebels and criminals against God.
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Post by sequindaisies on Aug 13, 2006 21:52:04 GMT -5
No, it doesn't achieve anything, just forces them to hate you.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 14, 2006 11:54:27 GMT -5
christian politicians do not create laws to benefit society. they create laws to benefit one another, and disregard the existence of non-believers.
note: walter has not responded to my post. hehe.
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Post by anodomini on Aug 14, 2006 16:10:15 GMT -5
To behave in accordance with the law is to achieve salvation. God asks for no more than that, heathen.
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Post by evanschaible on Aug 14, 2006 16:13:57 GMT -5
And who are you?
You cannot "achieve" salvation in the legal sense that you affirm. You cannot be "good enough".
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Post by HSTN2983 on Aug 15, 2006 10:02:52 GMT -5
sure you can, evan, this is why jesse post pictures of himself preaching, getting arrested, and children crying at his yelling. haha.
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