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Post by christlover on Jul 20, 2007 14:16:11 GMT -5
In looking over this board, it seems there were a great number of nonbelievers who were once on here and very vocal. Where have they gone? Have they been banned from the board or just realized they fight a losing battle and left on their own accord? Gos has given them up to their sinful desires perhaps?
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osubamey
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Post by osubamey on Jul 20, 2007 16:57:18 GMT -5
We aren't banned. At least I'm not. It's called having a life. We go on vacations, have jobs, do shows, etc., so we can't post on the board every single day.
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Post by christlover on Jul 21, 2007 5:21:32 GMT -5
Having a life, huh? There is no life except life in Christ. No time? You will have all the time you want to rethink your position and regret it when you are in hell. If you do not listen to or agree witht he style of these street preachers, at least consider the Bible and let it speak to you. Jesus waits, but He will not wiat forever on you.
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Post by danlirette on Jul 21, 2007 22:33:13 GMT -5
May have seen nothing here but "you're going to hell!" and have moved on.
The fact of hell and eternal d**nation is an ever present reality for sinners; make no mistake in what I am seeking to convey.
However, the lost who were once on the Board were so thrown down and trampled upon with such statements that they left.
The Love of Christ was mentioned.... in passing.
The Cross of Christ was mentioned....in passing.
The Hope and Freedom of the Gospel was mentioned...in passing.
When a man cries "repent!" yet offers no power to see a sinner set free, that man is no praying man!
When a man cries, "Turn or burn!" and yet offers not the direction of the True Way of Life, through Christ, with the Mighty Anointing of God in his words, that man is no praying man!
The Church has not only the message that men repent... the message is also carried with the Anointing to set people free and see captives loosed!
If your message lacks the Anointing of God, and carries with it only a word which seethes rather than soothes as the Balm of Gilead, you are no praying man!
Let the True Church now arise and take her place among the dead preachers and ministers among us who lack the Power that they promise in their message!
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osubamey
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Post by osubamey on Jul 22, 2007 12:04:11 GMT -5
Having a life, huh? There is no life except life in Christ. No time? You will have all the time you want to rethink your position and regret it when you are in hell. If you do not listen to or agree witht he style of these street preachers, at least consider the Bible and let it speak to you. Jesus waits, but He will not wiat forever on you. There is no life except in Christ in your opinion. Not mine. Further, I don't believe in hell. In my opinion a SoB ( supreme omni-whatever being) would know that we could never live up to it's expectations, and therefore wouldn't punish us for failing. Further, I never said I didn't have time, so stop putting words into my mouth. It's what most of the people here do (with a few exceptions, granted) and it's getting old already. Cut it out. Respond with what was said, not with what you wanted to be said so you can make a point. Finally, I've read the Bible. I've considered it's teachings and it's message. And you know what? It's a nice story. Really, it is. There are some great characters in there, and the message is nice. But, then again, the same goes for Harry Potter. Do people follow Harry Potter as a religion? They might, though I haven't heard anything. My point is this: the idea of a SoB isn't what makes me agnostic. I fully believe that there is some SoB somewhere out in the universe (or outside it). However, if this SoB was smart enough to create everything, it would be smart enough to know that we can never measure up to it. Which is why Christianity makes no sense to me. Even the most devout Christians fall short of holiness, so why shouldn't they be punished just like everyone else? You fall short, you fail, you go to hell. It should be simple. But no, there's all these other "ways to get in" and such that make no sense whatsoever. If the SoB wanted to condemn 2/3s of the world's population forever, it would have probably done something quicker and much more humorous for itself.
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Post by christlover on Jul 23, 2007 18:36:25 GMT -5
And here is my point. I went through many of these threads. I note a load of the nonbelievers including some very vocal and arrogant ones, have left. Dare I say, good riddence to them? They have heard the gospel. It is now their responsibilty to decide what to do with it and if they reject it, then so be it. It is their choice to go to hell and whether they believe in it or not now, they surely will when it is too late. It grieves me for some of these people, including many of the most arrogant ones I was reading posts from here. I grieve for them, but only so far. Remember the verse about casting pearls before swine!
I grieve for the many who have been on here and left, but only so far. Truly, they must be cut loose, as perhaps the lord has given them over to their wicked desires.
It seems the nonbelievers who do stick around and precious few have, wish to do nothing but downgrade our beliefs. If the word of God is so offensive to you, why do you come back here? Is there a need for these sowers of strife? Really? They have heard the word here and now the burden is on them to accept it.
And as for Barney The Devil above, nice little icon! But again, why come here if there is nothing to appeal to you? Yout oo have heard the truth and refuse to accept it. Living in denial of the truth will not change things on judgment day. Hear these words while you have time.
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Post by osubamey on Jul 23, 2007 22:01:34 GMT -5
Another possible explanation could be that it's summer. You guys rile a lot of people up during the school year, so when it's out, activity dies down just a little bit.
As for saying good riddance to them, wasn't there something JC said about loving all, no matter what?
Also, I never said "God's" word was offensive to me, I said I didn't agree with it. I personally find nothing about it offensive, like I said, it's a good story. What I find offensive is how people (such as the members of this group) deliver that message. And the reason I keep coming back is I enjoy the debates, I'm stubborn, and I feel like it.
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 24, 2007 0:57:57 GMT -5
Barney, you are right we do fall way short. The reason we are not punished is because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. He poured out his Spirit, blood, and life that we could be cleansed of our sin. Sin is breaking God's law. Imagine that great courtroom that you will end up after dying. You and I are both guilty. But, Jesus died for me and paid the penalty so I could have life. Just like Frank Sinatra in your pride you state that you did it your way. God commands you to repent (change your mind and direction) in relation to Jesus Christ.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." All of those issues Jesus teaches about are what we need to see heaven. I don't deserve to go there either, but God is merciful to a sinner who cries out for mercy and seeks Him in obedience. May God direct your heart. In Jesus' Name. Amen.
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Post by osubamey on Jul 24, 2007 16:56:58 GMT -5
First off, to everyone, my name is osuBAMEY, not barney. I didn't name myself after that walking purple sex offender, thank you very much.
Moving on to matters of other importance...
You seem to be missing the point though. You STILL fail. Your "God" demands perfection, and you fall short. You fail, you lose, you do not pass go, you do not collect $200, you do not go to heaven. Failure should not be rewarded by a SoB, no matter who or what they are.
Further, if you fail and still get in, then there is no way your "God" is a loving SoB, because if it was, anyone who failed could still get in. It would love ALL people, not just it's "chosen" ones. Only allowing chosen people to get in seems very... I don't know, what word am I looking for... racist? Bigoted? Nazi-like?
Oh, by the way, interesting side note, "I Did It My Way" by Frank Sinatra is my favorite song of all time. I shall now go listen to it and bask in my "sinner's pride".
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Post by danlirette on Jul 24, 2007 17:58:22 GMT -5
osubamey, why are you so hateful towards God? Is it because of how His People (or at least those who "say" they are His People) represent Him or is it HIM, as you know of Him from Scripture?
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Post by osubamey on Jul 24, 2007 19:51:12 GMT -5
osubamey, why are you so hateful towards God? Is it because of how His People (or at least those who "say" they are His People) represent Him or is it HIM, as you know of Him from Scripture? A little of both. I truly despise how many, many Christians put themselves on a pedestal and think they are better than everyone else, that they are the only ones right and everyone else is wrong. I also dislike the manner (not so much the people, I think Miles is cool, just misguided) with which some Christian's "preach". Whatever you believe, someone disagreeing with you does not give you the right to condemn them to suffering for an eternity. It just doesn't. I do have a slight problem with how God (not JC) is portrayed in the Bible. In the OT he's all "Ah, I'm going to kill everyone in the world!" and then in the NT he's all "Well, it's ok. You tried hard and believed, so you get in." It makes no sense to me. I guess my biggest problem is with the people is the people, not so much the being. I'm agnostic, so I believe in an SoB, I just don't think we've "discovered" it yet. I have no problem with a higher power. Just most of the religious ones we have made up so far. Oh, and by the way, you can call me Ben.
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Post by celebrity on Jul 24, 2007 20:56:43 GMT -5
I feel the need to respond if for no other reason than to just start a conversation.
I am celebrity, childe, and jack-mormon all rolled into one person. I used to write under different names just to add some spice to arguements. I once began an arguement on these forms just to show another member how easy it could happen.
Since I am one person and a recovering from Mormonism and now a christian. I feel freed to argue other points of view. Since I learned from a variety of people about other religions, I occasionally dump a different view point to help this ministry to see
1... other people see God in different understandings. 2... other religions claim devine hope. ...SALVATION...
but you are probably asking who is this religious person....
We'll my beliefs are far spread. See I see jesus at the head of all faiths. NOTHING CAN BE CREATED accept God says so. I will let jesse argue against free will on this one.
Anyway, I started off at phoenix college argueing with homosexuals and other deviants to bring them to the LIGHT of none other than Jesus Christ. I have had to learn to curb by overly cruel preaching for one they would understand.
The love of Jesus Christ. In the end, I learned that my testamony was strong enough to help a few reconsider their life choice. 2 out of 8 left behind their homosexual tendence for the love of God.
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Post by mahatma on Jul 25, 2007 11:19:44 GMT -5
In looking over this board, it seems there were a great number of nonbelievers who were once on here and very vocal. Where have they gone? Have they been banned from the board or just realized they fight a losing battle and left on their own accord? Gos has given them up to their sinful desires perhaps? Aww shucks, I'm still around. But I had a business trip to Jakarta, then my birthday (woot! 30! Get OFF MY LAWN!) Then more work...etc. There are certainly some non-believers who have posted on the boards in the past who should have been banned, for the most part it doesn't happen much. As for fighting a losing battle, I can't think of many debates I have gotten into on this board that someone could, being honest, say that I -lost-. You could argue against my position certainly, and you could agree with the opinion of the person I am arguing against, but I think I've given as good as I've gotten since being a member. Sure there are people here I go at it tooth and nail with, but they are on -both- sides of the believer aisle. As to why I don't post much anymore, there are two reasons, both related to personalities on the board. People coming and people going. A lot of the people who I have most enjoyed debating with no longer debate regularly on the board (Evan, Jeffrey, Miles, Tbxi, Tony, I'm looking at you!) There are certainly some left, but not as many. Conversely, a lot of the loudest voices (again on both sides of the believer aisle) have been screeching like unbearable howler monkeys. I -love- having gainful debate and discussion with intelligent people, but I frankly have better things to do than listen to repeated, regurgitated one liners from people who seem more interested in yelling than having a real conversation. And as for YOU Celebrity...<sarcasm>I thought JackMormon got hit by a car? You can't even believe how incredibly shocked I am that that little tidbit wasn't true and that you are the same person posting. Who ever would have guessed? </sarcasm>
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Post by celebrity on Jul 25, 2007 13:56:24 GMT -5
smug aint I..
I am proof that symbolic ressurection comes in all forms.
Oh btw, mahatma was the one I showed that some lessons are free from strife while others get attack the moment a word is mentioned out of place. This was back in march or so.
Hard doctrines are hard to argue with while flimsey ethical questions are blown by philosophies of men.
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Post by John McGlone on Jul 27, 2007 0:53:08 GMT -5
osuBAMEY, forgive me I apologize. I figured osu was for Okla. State U. and I misread Bamey for Barney. I don't have any evidence you are connected with the purple dino and his philosophy.
Anyway, you are the one that missed the point. No one is good enough. If we were then Jesus would not have to come out of heaven and substitute himself on the cross for the justice we deserve in hell. That shed blood is what will clean us from sin.
The bible says that every word will be judged before the One who made us. I presume that would include written words. Imagine for a moment if that is true?
I am judging you. And, I am asking you to judge yourself in light of God's Word. I will add that you and many others on this board judge God consistently in your postings.
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Post by lightbringer on Apr 14, 2008 14:57:05 GMT -5
He is coming soon. Are you prepared for the return?
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Post by lightbringer on Apr 15, 2008 7:53:49 GMT -5
Perhaps unbelievers are not all gone, but witing for an opportune time to return.
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Post by fs on Nov 2, 2008 8:04:40 GMT -5
Amid all the hype, hoopla and ranting in this older thread, Brother Lirette makes an interesting point.
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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 3, 2008 22:48:26 GMT -5
And just where is Mr. Lirette today?
Hmmmmm, anybody know the answer to that one?
I can only imagine..............
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Post by gordonmike on Feb 8, 2009 11:51:41 GMT -5
You blowhards are all hypocritical sons of bitches. Suck my Richard.
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Post by judgment on Feb 13, 2009 16:03:08 GMT -5
Dan Lirette put it the right way in his post here and as usual, most of the street ministers ignore it.
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