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May 30, 2008 21:30:38 GMT -5
Post by thunder on May 30, 2008 21:30:38 GMT -5
Why on earth do you guys all idolize Jed Smock? Just a visit to his website is enough to have any thinking man rolling in laughter, as it is even funnier than this page here. I might stick around for a bit and might not as you people are just so weird and so hilariously funny it is hard to believe you are serious. Get real and get over yourselves. And quit putting Smock on a pedestal as he ain't right in his head and I really wonder about those who follow him as well. If heaven is real and you are all there I will take hell for me. Thanks. Only thing is, it is a myth and you are wrapped up in a fantasy.
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Post by dale on Jun 5, 2008 8:12:55 GMT -5
Don't know much about the guy as I do not think he posts here. A lot of the boys in the band are sold on him, but I have never actually heard him so cannot fully say. I did look him up after seeing his name a load of times and glanced at his web page. He looked kind of routine to me. Just another boring street minister, only older, as far as I could make of him. Jonah or Elijah he definately is not, but then neither is anyone else in the board threads, though I think some of the boys would like to think of themselves as such.
Why does this Smock guy bug you so much?
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Smocked
Jun 5, 2008 13:36:11 GMT -5
Post by thunder on Jun 5, 2008 13:36:11 GMT -5
I quote Jed Smock, "I haven't sinned in 20 years ."
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Smocked
Jun 5, 2008 14:17:59 GMT -5
Post by dale on Jun 5, 2008 14:17:59 GMT -5
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Jun 5, 2008 22:18:00 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 5, 2008 22:18:00 GMT -5
Apparently he believes in the doctrine of "sinless perfection". Maybe we should ask his wife or the people who are the closest to him if this statement is really true? Or better yet maybe we'll all find out on Judgment day if it's true? I just hope that nobody here believes this?
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Post by dale on Jun 7, 2008 9:29:12 GMT -5
And this means what now? He believes in what?
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Post by art on Jun 9, 2008 8:14:34 GMT -5
I think it means he thinks he is no longer a sinner and isn't that pride and a sin in its own right.
His big anti-gay tirades are easy to find on the net. Look him up on yahoo or google search
Grandpa Street Ranter, the role model of the young.
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Smocked
Jun 9, 2008 15:20:36 GMT -5
Post by dale on Jun 9, 2008 15:20:36 GMT -5
What now? I must still be missing something. The guy thinks he doesn't sin? Simple question. How about a simple answer? Can someone who actually knows this guy shed some light on this?
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Smocked
Jun 11, 2008 15:14:01 GMT -5
Post by art on Jun 11, 2008 15:14:01 GMT -5
Must be phat to be him, huh!
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Jun 12, 2008 4:21:07 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 12, 2008 4:21:07 GMT -5
Maybe its just a false doctrine?
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Jun 12, 2008 8:22:01 GMT -5
Post by art on Jun 12, 2008 8:22:01 GMT -5
I checked him out because people here are so big on him. He is just like the rest of the street ranters, but older. If he is preaching false doctrine (that is not what I call it as all of your doctrine is nonsense) then why aren't the street ranters condemning him for it like they do with other people? Hypocritical to put this ranter on a pedestal.
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 9:33:17 GMT -5
Post by dale on Jun 13, 2008 9:33:17 GMT -5
1. What's a phat?
2. Does this guy actually somehow believe as a mortal man living on earth, he somehow no longer sins as the supposed remark you all brought up indicates and did this he actually say that? If so, when and where?
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 11:05:43 GMT -5
Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 13, 2008 11:05:43 GMT -5
Dale, you're so out of touch with reality. He is talking about your mother.... ok.. ok.. Estoy bromeando. phat –adjective Slang. great; wonderful; terrific.
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 13:18:26 GMT -5
Post by dale on Jun 13, 2008 13:18:26 GMT -5
Okay, this answers part one . What about part two. Is Jed Smock supposed to be sinless? I find that a bit much to believe?
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 13:27:47 GMT -5
Post by joeldad on Jun 13, 2008 13:27:47 GMT -5
Okay, this answers part one . What about part two. Is Jed Smock supposed to be sinless? I find that a bit much to believe? You mean you believe in sin? Why would you believe in such a thing at all?
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 14:56:00 GMT -5
Post by dale on Jun 13, 2008 14:56:00 GMT -5
I again am NOT the topic of discussion here. What I believe or do NOT believe in is not the point. Could someone just flat answer the question for me or if Smock logs on, answer it himself? (I never heard of the guy before coinmg here!) Did he or did he not make said statement as the other poster claims? What is so hard about this? Usually when I don't want to have a response to my blogs or don't want to hear the routine stuff, you people are all on it, but when I ask a routine question, no one comes up with an answer.
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 15:05:55 GMT -5
Post by tbxi on Jun 13, 2008 15:05:55 GMT -5
I would not be surprised if he said that, Dale. Given the nature of his beliefs about sin, sanctification, and how MGT people don't believe sin is sin if it's done unknowingly, it sounds like something he would say.
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 17:32:51 GMT -5
Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 13, 2008 17:32:51 GMT -5
His wife wrote the introduction to his autobiography. In it, she says that she has never seen her husband sin. And she's been married to him for 20 years. She said he never yells or has a temper, but has always governed the household with love and gentleness.
And at Sunday School, the children were taught "everybody sins". But one of the girls raised her hand said, "My mother doesn't sin."
Cindy, Jed's wife, tells the girls on campus, "If you find a man who doesn't sin, marry him. That's what I did. But if your courting a man and you find out he sins, dump him immediately."
I know one thing, if it is true that Jed hasn't sinned in 20 years, that is certainly an amazing and powerful testimony of the saving power of Jesus Christ. I can't think of a testimony that could glorify God more. And it certainly gives hope to the rest of us. I can't stand the message of despair that says you have to sin all the time, you can't stop, that you can never be perfect in this life. That is a message of doom and gloom, without any hope but only despair, and it is not the saving message of Jesus Christ!
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Jun 13, 2008 19:48:59 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 13, 2008 19:48:59 GMT -5
His wife wrote the introduction to his autobiography. In it, she says that she has never seen her husband sin. And she's been married to him for 20 years. She said he never yells or has a temper, but has always governed the household with love and gentleness. And at Sunday School, the children were taught "everybody sins". But one of the girls raised her hand said, "My mother doesn't sin." Cindy, Jed's wife, tells the girls on campus, "If you find a man who doesn't sin, marry him. That's what I did. But if your courting a man and you find out he sins, dump him immediately." I know one thing, if it is true that Jed hasn't sinned in 20 years, that is certainly an amazing and powerful testimony of the saving power of Jesus Christ. I can't think of a testimony that could glorify God more. And it certainly gives hope to the rest of us. I can't stand the message of despair that says you have to sin all the time, you can't stop, that you can never be perfect in this life. That is a message of doom and gloom, without any hope but only despair, and it is not the saving message of Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ lived perfect life..He was perfect in all things including obediance. Jed Smock is not....when Jed Smock is judged he will be found lacking in the obediance area just like the rest of us. The message of the Bible is that when we repent and believe the Gospel...that Jesus Christ stamps our sin dept paid in full. Praise God for that.....it is not acheived by being obediant it is given by grace when one believes. This is the Gospel message that I love....it's very simple. This Gospel message doesn't require anyone to stay in their sin. Why do you insist that we have to work for our salvation?
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Jun 13, 2008 19:57:14 GMT -5
Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 13, 2008 19:57:14 GMT -5
Who said anything about working for Salvation? Repentance and obedience cannot earn salvation anymore than faith can earn salvation. You don't repent and believe to earn salvation, you repent and believe so that Jesus can save you. Unless a person forsakes all their sin they cannot be receive the grace of God through Jesus Christ.
Jesus saves His people from their sin. Jesus came to redeem us from all iniquity. Christians are dead unto sin.
We aren't saved because we live free from sin, but we live free from sin because we are saved.
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Jun 13, 2008 23:07:06 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 13, 2008 23:07:06 GMT -5
You are completely incapable of an honest debate on this issue Jesse. When did I say that repentance and dependence was working. I never said those things. Those things equal belief. What I did say was that you add works onto belief. By stating that we must earn by Merritt via obedience some part of our own salvation. Obviously, Jed Smock thinks that he is responsible for some part of his redemption. The problem is you and guys like Smock don't believe that when a person believes.....you do not believe that good works will follow this and I do. You are adding your own Merritt to the equasion...I am not. You are working to earn your salvation...I am not....it is true that good works follow salvation not vice verca. Your making a very common but also very critical mistake.
Honestly, there is no difference between Jed Smock and the young college girls whom he calls sleepers (except he isn't kind enough to say sleepers)on those campuses. They are both under the delusion that they must in some way be good enough.
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 23:42:00 GMT -5
Post by tbxi on Jun 13, 2008 23:42:00 GMT -5
Amen. That was the delusion I suffered under for a long time, even though I did not realize it.
They will say that they believe in salvation by grace through faith and not of works... they can say it all they want, but the bottom line is they believe that they have to maintain their salvation by what they do, or what they do not do (i.e. sin). False understandings of election, predestination, the freedom of the will, are all parts of this... it is not simple and I am aware that it was already said that "We do good works because we are saved, not the other way around", or something to that effect... and that is the correct way of thinking about it, but it is not consistent with any worldview that leaves the future "open" or that leaves salvation ultimately on your own shoulders, where it is not the purely sovereign and gracious act of God on your behalf, when you were *helpless*, as it says in Romans 5.
When final salvation is ultimately contingent upon your behavior, your actions, something about YOU... it is a salvation of works, it is not by grace and through faith. When consistently preached, it is a false salvation and a false gospel - not to say that everyone who doesn't believe in some version of "eternal security" is not saved, but the more adamant one becomes against it, the more dangerous and revealing it is.
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Smocked
Jun 14, 2008 6:31:03 GMT -5
Post by art on Jun 14, 2008 6:31:03 GMT -5
The problem, is a simple one. Jesse, Micah and some of the others here (now as far as I know, I have not heard Jesse preach live as he does not look familiar, just Micah and his clique, but just read his rantings) idolize Grandpa Street Ranter when they should be idolizing their mythical savior instead. When you are critical of Smock on this page they react just as hostile as when you criticize Jesus and to me that seems pretty whack.
The street ranters are very big on using the Bible to justify everything they rant about. I would like to see in context these street ranters actually justify a biblical claim to what has been threaded here. I am open to hear the argument if they can back it up. If they cannot then it seems to me one of their own leaders is a "false teacher" as they like to say and teaching "false doctrine" which in turn makes the street ranters who idolize this Super Street Ranter Smock false preachers as well.
For those who have ever heard some of these affiliates live as I have and I am the first to admit u tube clips do NOT offer a full portrait of what is being said, it is something to hear they claim they do these traveling shows out of love for sinenrs, but all they do is preach hatred for homsexuals, disgust for sinners and an arrogance that turns people negative to their message from the start. Then they wonder why they get confronted and called as they do. It is nto because people are convicted of their sin and want to repent, but because of the arrifance, the name calling and the self righteious postering of these wannabes.
I also love the way they raise themselves about everyone else and are able to generalize on sight who is a shore, a homosexual or whatever. Phat of you to have these magical powers. If I become a Christian do I get them too or do I have to work my way up to it? Not every college student is a hopeless drug and sex addict as you seem to suggest. At least we have degrees or are working toward them./ Do you? Are you even ordained anywhere or did you all somehow just hear a voice in your heads that said go out and start condemning the world?
I would love to have some of these questions addressed. You all like to confront sin? Confront some of your own, using your own book as a rule and guide.
Clearly, what you shout to the multitudes is NOT working. I would love to have you answer why you think that is.
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Jun 14, 2008 8:41:55 GMT -5
Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 14, 2008 8:41:55 GMT -5
pacp,
Brother Jed doesn't believe in salvation by works, justification by works, or sanctification by works. And neither do I.
Salvation is by faith. Justification is by faith. And sanctification is by faith.
The only way you could go the rest of your life without sinning is by faith, not by works.
But there is no doubt that if a Christian sins, they need to repent by faith or perish in their unbelief. The grace of God only covers the repentant and believing, it never covers the impenitent and unbelieving. This is not salvation by works, this is Biblical salvation.
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Jun 16, 2008 7:45:05 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 16, 2008 7:45:05 GMT -5
pacp, Brother Jed doesn't believe in salvation by works, justification by works, or sanctification by works. And neither do I. Salvation is by faith. Justification is by faith. And sanctification is by faith. The only way you could go the rest of your life without sinning is by faith, not by works. But there is no doubt that if a Christian sins, they need to repent by faith or perish in their unbelief. The grace of God only covers the repentant and believing, it never covers the impenitent and unbelieving. This is not salvation by works, this is Biblical salvation. I believe that if a Christian sins that they need to repent, this is true. I believe that it is the Holy Spirit that causes this conviction. I also believe that it is God that is active in the affairs of His children. Sin once and He'll forgive you, sin again and He'll forgive you, sin a third time and He'll send a lighting bolt. Our salvation depends not on our own ability to hang on to God. But on God's ability to hold us. One must have to ask how can a person beat their own chest proclaiming that they don't sin and God does not convict them? See their own words contradict what you say they believe. Lastly, if God revealed to you or I all the sins we still harbor, neither one of us could handle it....to put it simply...we both still sin. We are not made perfect yet.
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Jun 16, 2008 10:04:39 GMT -5
Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 16, 2008 10:04:39 GMT -5
Sin is a deliberate choice to do what you know you shouldn't, or a deliberate choice not to do what you know you should.
There are only sins of commission and sins of omission. Either doing what you know you shouldn't, or not doing what you know you should.
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Jun 16, 2008 13:39:16 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 16, 2008 13:39:16 GMT -5
Sin is a deliberate choice to do what you know you shouldn't, or a deliberate choice not to do what you know you should. There are only sins of commission and sins of omission. Either doing what you know you shouldn't, or not doing what you know you should. What about the grand law? Have you cast that aside?
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Jun 16, 2008 18:26:24 GMT -5
Post by dale on Jun 16, 2008 18:26:24 GMT -5
I love this. You guys want to save the world and you cannot even get your own doctrine right. Maybe you should save each other first.
You are all so big on quoting the Bible. Why don't you find a ton of verses to back your theories up? It seems the right one would be backed up scripturally, right?
What is truth?
My oh my, what a question. It seems like Pilate asked this, did he not?
Unlike him, I am all ears for an answer.
You both can't be right, so which is it?
Enlighten the ignorant sinner here too as I am following this closely. What's a "grand law?"
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Jun 16, 2008 18:41:05 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 16, 2008 18:41:05 GMT -5
27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself Galatians 5:14 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
9The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
You heard it here first Dale....Jesse and Jed are both perfect, the law is fulfilled, in part by their obediance. Or as long as they don't commit any major sins. Or whatever that means?
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Jun 16, 2008 18:45:46 GMT -5
Post by oaora on Jun 16, 2008 18:45:46 GMT -5
Love your neighbor as yourself. Do you get it?
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