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Post by abraham on Jun 28, 2008 14:09:31 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 28, 2008 14:27:48 GMT -5
It sounds like those quotes are saying the same thing these quotes on the Moral Government theory of the atonement:
CHRIST WAS IMPUTED, CONSIDERED, OR TREATED AS A SINNER
“Though innocent, he was treated in his death as if he had been guilty; that is, he was put to death as if he had personally deserved it…He was suspended on a cross, as if he had been a malefactor. He was numbered with malefactors; he was crucified between them; he was given up by God and man to death as if he had himself been such a malefactor.” Albert Barnes (The Atonement, Published by Bethany Fellowship, p. 296)
“Standing for the sinner, he must, in an important sense, bear the curse of the law–not the literal penalty, but a vast amount of suffering, sufficient, in view of his relations to God and the universe, to make the needed demonstration of God’s displeasure against sin, and yet of his love for both the sinner and all his moral subjects. On the one hand, Jesus represents the race; on the other, he represented God.” Charles G. Finney (The Oberlin Evangelist; July 30, 1856; On the Atonement, p. 4)
“On the supposition of his dying as a Savior for sinners, all is plain. He dies for the government of God, and must needs suffer these things to make a just expression of God’s abhorrence of sin.” Charles G. Finney (The Oberlin Evangelist; July 30, 1856; On the Atonement, p. 6)
“Cursed. It conveys the idea of being given over to destruction, or left without those influences which would protect and save, -as a land that is given over to the curse of sterility or barrenness...it would mean that all saving influences were withdrawn” Albert Barnes (The Atonement, Published by Bethany Fellowship; p. 295)
“The Savior identifies Himself with sinners so intimately that He is treated as if their sins were His, if the seemingly insurmountable problems of reconciliation were to be solved. He must be the great High Priest who voluntarily places the sin of mankind, not upon the head of an innocent animal, but upon Himself, with dreadful heart-broken solemnness, until it crushes out His holy and spotless life.” Gordon C. Olson (The Truth Shall Make You Free, Published by Bible Research Corp, p. 33)
“Christ was treated as though he had been a sinner – and as his sufferings answered the purpose of the sinner’s punishment, and are the ground of his pardon, it may be said with respect to all believers, that their sins were imputed or reckoned to Christ, and his righteousness imputed or reckoned to them. That is, Christ was treated as sinners deserve, and sinners are treated as Christ deserves.” Nathan Beman (Four Sermons on the Doctrine of the Atonement, p. 39)
The atonement of Christ takes the place of the punishment of sinners. And Christ died on the cross, as if he were a criminal. And he did this for our sins.
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Post by abraham on Jun 28, 2008 14:42:34 GMT -5
If I might add... Christ was delivered for our offenses.
We are saved because of the work that He accomplished at the cross.
1. "...for the transgression of my people was he stricken." 2. "...Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief." 3. "...thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin." 4. "...he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand." 5. "...He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied." 6. "...by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities."
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 28, 2008 15:10:54 GMT -5
Yes because Christ suffered and died for our sins on the cross, we do not have to receive the punishment of eternity in hell.
The blood atonement of Christ substitutes the eternal punishment of sinners. Now God is able to remit our penalty because of Christ's blood, when we repent and believe.
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Post by abraham on Jun 28, 2008 16:08:13 GMT -5
May our boast be in the cross of Christ.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 28, 2008 16:20:44 GMT -5
Yes. It is not our repentance that saves us. It is not our faith that saves us. It is the grace of God through the cross that saves us, upon condition of our repentance and faith.
It is not about what we have done (repented and believed) it is about what God has done (sent Jesus to die as our substitute, so that He can have mercy by remitting our penalty).
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