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Post by dale on Jul 20, 2008 6:54:04 GMT -5
The back tot he basics and the glorious fifties thing had me rolling with laughter. I was born in 1958, so cannot say I recall anything about that as opposed to the 1960s, but to say Ameruica was a great place because people believed in the morals and the bible back then is ridiculous.
Look at history. How many mass murderers and killers went to the chair or the gas chamber int he 50s. We had McCarthy and innocent Americans getting railroaded in the overzealous persuit fo communism. You mean to tell me there were no street gangs or juvenile problems? The mafia and the KKK were much more powerful then than now. You had Nixon for a vice president and he wa sinvovled ins candals then, long before this country was stupid enough to vote for him as president in 1968. You had dirty movies, prostitution, gays and who knows what else running around. Racial discrimination was out of control in the USA. The hippies accredited as a contibuiting breakdown in moral fiber stemmed from the beatniks on the 50s. Many crooked evangelist, crooked tent revival preacher types and fake healers began in the 1950s.
The 1950s were not a great period for the USA. They left a lot to be desired. Read a load of different books and get a bigger picture.
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Post by dale on Jul 20, 2008 6:56:18 GMT -5
Ps, as for rock music, there are usually one or two songs favored by me, by a number of different artists, but I am nto big on the music as a whole. I prefer Spanish flamenco, movie soundtracks, especially Morricone, Goldsmith and Nicolai and the group, Goblin.
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Post by art on Jul 20, 2008 12:46:32 GMT -5
Give me a break street ranters. All YOU do is rant on and on about how each and every generation since Adam is lost due to sin, yet you turn around and try to put the 50s over as something moral and special. Dream on. Let me thriow a bail of hay, eggs or a live moutnain lion on you like was done to me when I was street preaching and wake you all up fron your dream.
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Post by Bornagain218 on Jul 20, 2008 15:27:59 GMT -5
The back tot he basics and the glorious fifties thing had me rolling with laughter. I was born in 1958, so cannot say I recall anything about that as opposed to the 1960s, but to say Ameruica was a great place because people believed in the morals and the bible back then is ridiculous. Look at history. How many mass murderers and killers went to the chair or the gas chamber int he 50s. We had McCarthy and innocent Americans getting railroaded in the overzealous persuit fo communism. You mean to tell me there were no street gangs or juvenile problems? The mafia and the KKK were much more powerful then than now. You had Nixon for a vice president and he wa sinvovled ins candals then, long before this country was stupid enough to vote for him as president in 1968. You had dirty movies, prostitution, gays and who knows what else running around. Racial discrimination was out of control in the USA. The hippies accredited as a contibuiting breakdown in moral fiber stemmed from the beatniks on the 50s. Many crooked evangelist, crooked tent revival preacher types and fake healers began in the 1950s. The 1950s were not a great period for the USA. They left a lot to be desired. Read a load of different books and get a bigger picture. I never said the 50s where perfect. But it was better then now. Just watch Jesses videos and see them casting their stones. What I see now a days is people already in hell because of their actions, I've seen drug addicts with their teeth and legs rotting away, I seen young girl so depressed they cut themselves. On more then one occasion I've had people tell me they wish they where dead, and to be honest I felt that way before becoming born again. We do our best in life when we remember our roots and keep things simple.
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Post by art on Jul 20, 2008 15:37:53 GMT -5
Wake up, dude, wake up! As for hell, you are believing a myth. In the beginning the church created hell, to keep the people enslaved out of fear. You are the one blinded by a lie, not me.
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Post by HDmatt on Jul 20, 2008 19:12:48 GMT -5
Art- I almost wish you were telling the truth, but too many accounts of people going to hell before being revived are documented. Not to mention the B-I-B-L-E says so! Gods word is eternal, well yours and mine........last couple decades? Who art thou that repliest against God? Dale-As for the 50's, just divorce alone should show the crumbling of the foundations and the tottering occasions that befall our once great nation. We won't mention the skyrocket rise in murder, theft, etc. Divorce has what.......tripled times 2 in the last thirty years? I may be too low on the scale. Empires last 250 years historically. We are running out of time, and sin is moving the hands on the clock. We can't forget Rome, history repeats itself to those who ignore it! Say huh? In the days of ancient Rome, the mighty Roman soldiers of the emperor were stationed throughout the world to “keep the peace.” Eventually, the troops were so spread out and the tax burden on the rich became so burdensome, that farmers sold their farms to pay tax bills. Husbands and wives refused to have children (the cost of living was too high), and many citizens turned to the Roman “welfare system” just to have food. The Roman military was fighting wars on three fronts. This sounds a little like the road America is traveling on. Perry Stone www.perrystone.org
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Post by dale on Jul 20, 2008 21:13:49 GMT -5
On the same hand, take the 50s. Substitute the war on communism for the war of terror and McCarthyism for Republicanism today and you have the very same thing . Government intrusion, civil rights being violated, fear building, people willing to sacrifice their constitutional freedoms for supposed safety, a corrupt government targeting and spying on tis own people, etc...etc...not the 50s seem more like now than any time I can think of. AS for a crumbling society, I cannot argue with you there, but need I remind you you presently have a Christian in the White House who claims to constantly be talking to and hearing from God. He has worked wonders for the USA in the past eight years hasn't he? Give me a sinner over this idiotic corporate puppet any day of the week. You are welcome to have him a syour brother in Christ as I am glad to not have The Decider in my family. The Christians in the USA have done mroe than their share of helping to foul it up. Back to the glorious 1950s though and the original thread on rock music? Didn;t rock music really get big in the 50s? ?
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jul 20, 2008 22:40:39 GMT -5
Here is what comes to mind.. I'll show just how much of a fundamentalist, stick in the mud I am.
Get on the Rock, Jesus Christ, or roll into hell.
If you love to watch, listen, or do the things God hates you are an enemy of God.
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Post by brobreaud on Jul 20, 2008 23:51:21 GMT -5
Dale writes concerning the 1950's:
"Look at history. How many mass murderers and killers went to the chair or the gas chamber int he 50s."
Probably not enough.
"We had McCarthy and innocent Americans getting railroaded in the overzealous persuit fo communism."
"Innocent"?! Many WERE Communist spies...Alger Hiss for one...
"You mean to tell me there were no street gangs or juvenile problems?"
Who told you that? They lied.
"The mafia and the KKK were much more powerful then than now."
KKK? Give me a break! Lynching is for amateurs. Today, Planned Parenthood kills more black people EVERY WEEK than the Klan did in it's entire history! (Also, for capital punishment as deterrent, see Mafia.)
"You had dirty movies, prostitution, gays and who knows what else running around."
Pornography was still illegal then, and should be again now. Prostitution still IS. And homosexuality is criminal according to Scripture.
"The hippies accredited as a contibuiting breakdown in moral fiber stemmed from the beatniks on the 50s"
There is a "breakdown in moral fiber"?
What else may have attributed to this?
"Many crooked evangelist, crooked tent revival preacher types and fake healers began in the 1950s."
Well, what about the good ones?
I hear this rhetoric mantra on campuses all the time.
Brobreaud
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Post by art on Jul 21, 2008 6:11:06 GMT -5
Who cares. The 1950s are a done deal. The thing is this IS the generation NOw, 2008, where I would hate to live in while being a Christian, but for a nonbeliever it is a wonderful time. I am an enemy of a nonexistant God. How hilarious that is.
I would say rock and roll IS my God, but it is far too much a cliche. I will leave the cliches up to street preachers.
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Post by art on Jul 21, 2008 6:17:52 GMT -5
I am starting a new abortion thread so you can go off on that topic there all you want.
Your post, Brobeerd, makes me want to stand up and sing a big course of I'm Proud To be An American , but I hate country music.
Rock Rules.
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Post by dale on Jul 21, 2008 6:43:55 GMT -5
Brother Beard
Even though you and I are not brothers, I will go with this as this seems to be the implication of your name. You make some passionate cases for God and country here and I of course do nto see things the same way. On the other hand, I can appreciate the passion involved . Give me someone who is passionate over issues any day over someone stagnant,
We could go on and on, point by point, but I do not have the time to do so right now. There is no point either , as I will not change your mind and you will not change mine.
I do not like the way this country has gone at all in the past eight years. Unlike Ashcroft's statement where "You are with us or with the terrorists" (If that isn't a McCarthy era statement I do not know what is)The onyl thing is it is not that simple. I am not on the side of the terroruists. I have unhealthy fantasies about what I woudl like to do to some of the real terrorists out there. If I told you what I woudl liek to do to Bin Ladin if I could have him tied up in my garage with no one knowing I have him, you would not sleep well at night. Let's just say I would skip colelcting the dead or alive reward, stay middle class, and do things my own way.
The hunt for terrorists today is the same mentality of he 1950s and the persuit of communism. Too many innocent people are getting caught up in this government dragnet and if you do not believe me, look at the fkaws continually coming out in the terrorist watch list for just oene xample. It is the 1959s all over again. One of the argyuments many make now si the same argyument people amde in the 1950s. "The people objecting to goverbment snooping and invasion of privacy must have something to hdie." I have nothing to hide and that is exactly WHY I find the concept outrageous and am dead set against the same. Peopels hould have stopped McCarthy at the base and should have done the same with Bush and crew on 2002. History is indeedrepeating itself, but not in the sense Christians seem to be suggetsing.
If you have heard "rhetoric mantra" like this allt he time from my side, rest assured I have heard the same old rhetoric mantra your side spits out as well. So much so, I can spot a merry go round ride when I see it, which is why I will not debate this further with you. Tgis is my alst post ont he 1950s tiopic. Neither side is going to give in to the other, so it is a waste of time.
So we caught Hiss and one of the Rosenburgs. I believe the wife was later proven innocent and she got the chair too. Fine. How many people who were not communists had their lives ruined by MvCarthy and crew (Hoover was a closet gay was he not, as was Cohen, McCarthy's ah, how can I say, right hand man and this si the name Art there doesn;t recall, and if homosexuality was against the law were they not then the ultimate hypocrites?). How many innocent people getting shaken down and hurt to weed out a few would suit you, especially say, if this was done to you or your family (No, it never was to mine, but what if it had been). Would you still be praising Jesus and the 1950s then? I doubt it.
So if you wish to make a point to me, could we skip all the punches and counter punches and just get to the presumed knock out punch you want to try and deliver?
Let me guess?
"The bottom line is I am lost and need Jesus."
Is that anywhere near the goalpost?
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Post by art on Jul 21, 2008 6:58:37 GMT -5
No, argue some more . His posts are funny, just like all these street ranters.
I look forwrad to the day when mankind awakens from the illusion and sees Christianity as nothing but a myth that has been fooling the gullible for 2000 years . Throw in the Moslems, the Buddhists and all other lie -believers of all shapes and sizes. All believe their own lies.
Ask the ranter this. Instead of abortion, how many people has Christianity killed off in those 2000 years. How many died in belief if a God that is not there or were killed in the name of Jesus?
True freedom is not in finding Jesus, but in rejection of the same. Thow off the chains of religion. Throw off ignorance. Dare to see the real truth. There IS NO GOD. Then you will be free.
And if rock music leads people to reject Christ as some of the ranters claim, then it is indeed the best thing to ever happen to music.
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Post by dale on Jul 21, 2008 7:12:29 GMT -5
I don't have the time this week. You do it.
McCarthy's little closet queen was a guy named Cohen and he died from AIDS. There was a book and a movie out on this subject called Citizen Cohen.
Now, should we not get back to the rock topic?
Here is a good one for you Josh. "Jesus is the rock you should roll to." Try that one here with your next post. It is even better than "You need to get THE life."
There you go, Brother Beard , just tell me "Jesus is the rock you should roll to" and save yourself some time.
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Post by art on Jul 21, 2008 7:29:42 GMT -5
Actually his name is not Beard but Breaud, like bread with a u.
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