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Post by John McGlone on Jul 29, 2008 18:39:17 GMT -5
I'm glad Ray finally went public and said he was not a Calvinist nor does he believe 'Once saved, always saved.' I'm thrilled about what he said and I am glad he finally came out of the closet. It's around the 15 min mark. A little help with original sin and the atonement and I think Ray will be hitting the mark perfectly, no pun intended. drewmarshall.ca/listen2008.html#080705Praise the Lord! I guess this would not be really good news for Havensdad and others over at SOBE.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jul 29, 2008 20:07:50 GMT -5
Praise God!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jul 29, 2008 20:47:44 GMT -5
Praise God that he made it clear that he is not a Calvinist! In reference to the OSAS thing, it's possible he would just say that he believes in Perseverance of the Saints instead...
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Post by rwrf on Jul 30, 2008 0:10:06 GMT -5
I remember older recordings from Ray in which he would mention Charles Finney as an example of using the law to convert sinners to Christ. It seems that the name Finney has been expunged from his sermons in the last 5 years or so. Not that he needs to mention Finney at all, but I just thought it was interesting that he will still mention Spurgeon, Whitefield and Wesley, but no Finney.
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Post by Kerrigan on Jul 30, 2008 0:12:42 GMT -5
I remember older recordings from Ray in which he would mention Charles Finney as an example of using the law to convert sinners to Christ. It seems that the name Finney has been expunged from his sermons in the last 5 years or so. Not that he needs to mention Finney at all, but I just thought it was interesting that he will still mention Spurgeon, Whitefield and Wesley, but no Finney. I have noticed that as well...no "Finney Gold" book?
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Post by bullhornbob on Jul 30, 2008 1:13:29 GMT -5
I would love to hear him elaborate a little more concerning his doctrine.
Lots of different "calvinist's" out there, and what I call "once saved always saved," Ray may differ in content.
Good to hear, nonetheless.
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Post by debonnaire on Jul 30, 2008 9:33:59 GMT -5
In fact, many men of God -that people labelled [rightly or wrongly]as Calvinist- believe in the perseverance of the saints.
there are also many Calvinist who believe in the perseverance of the saints, and have never believed in the cheap "OSAS' doctrine.
I don't know where the thrill is -about knowing that Ray Comfort does not believe in OSAS-. True Christians are committed to perseverance and following Jesus, even if their own personnal theology is more calvinist or more arminian.
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Post by SlowBro on Jul 30, 2008 11:24:48 GMT -5
It is ironic that Dan Corner gave him the award "False Teacher" for promoting Calvinistic perseverance ( click here) in "Hell's Best Kept Secret." Isn't that ironic? Ray isn't welcomed by anyone but us :-) Also, I've heard Ray say in one recording that he is not a "Finney Fanatic" but he loves Finney's work. I suppose that any good gospel Christian can pull out Finney's gold and ignore the manure ;D Also, YES, there are Calvinistic Christians who reject the CHEAP OSAS/Eternal Security, I am one of them!! 5pt Calvinistic Christian *hates* OSAS/Eternal SecRay speaks of perseverance, something I firmly attest to. If you want to climb the mountain, YOU MUST PERSEVERE.
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Post by jackjackson on Jul 30, 2008 15:59:43 GMT -5
This was good to hear!
As for Finney, he does list several quotes of Finney in the Evidence Bible.
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Post by HDmatt on Aug 5, 2008 8:01:39 GMT -5
Finney Gold would sell like biscuits @ the state fair! I'd order it so fast it would crash living waters haha
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Post by Paul A. Kaiser on Aug 11, 2008 22:55:10 GMT -5
RAY COMFORT IS A "NON-d**nABLE HERETIC"! Sorry guys I couldn't resist..... Just a joke in bad taste.... This shouldn't be much of a surprise as he clearly stated this years ago in his "Axe of The Apostles" series. After all he came from a Calvary Chaple background. It wasn't until recent years that most local churches took out the statement "We deny 5 Point Calvinism..." from their doctrinal affirmations. It seems that James Lee and I are the only ones who ever listened to the entire series from "Classic Comfort". I believe it's audio 12 or 14. You can DL from SoBE. I would agree with Kerrigan on the OSAS issue and Perseverance. I'm just glad I can stop being accused of attacking the "sacred cow" of Evangelism. He said it himself... "I'm not a Calvinist..." I would say he is what I call a "straddle the fencer" similar to Chuck Smith. Now if we can only get Todd to do the same we could put this tired argument to rest... "Back to the Bat Cave...."
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 11, 2008 23:14:25 GMT -5
I think that we basically all knew that he wasn't a Flaming Five Pointer ;D. It's just that some people over on the SOBE boards were spreading rumors that they all were now Calvinists. I mean Ray could have changed his mind about his doctrinal positions. Now Todd...him I'm not too sure about. I haven't listened to WOTM Radio in a very long time. I have listened to a few minutes here and there, but that's about it. But he used to always talk about Wayne Grudem and he loves Piper and MacArthur. Who knows? Speaking of Non-Calvinist Statements of Faith, have you seen mine Paul? PinPoint Evangelism's Statement of Faith
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Post by Paul A. Kaiser on Aug 12, 2008 21:36:17 GMT -5
Very well written and consistent with your beliefs....
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 12, 2008 22:44:45 GMT -5
Very well written and consistent with your beliefs.... Why thanks brother! I'll take that as a compliment from a non-damnable heretic. ;D
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Post by john316 on Jan 6, 2009 23:54:05 GMT -5
Hey guys
I know this is old but if this is true it's great to hear that Ray Comfort claims he doesnt hold a Calvinistic view.
PRAISE GOD
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Post by jsides on Jan 7, 2009 13:02:14 GMT -5
I contend to both osas and the perserverence of the saints. I believe the terms them selves define the meaning. There are those who I believe are in error who hold to osas and teach easy believism which I reject but somehow without discernment all those who adhere to osas get lumped together. Osas simply teaches because u have been saved here on earth you will be saved on the day of Judgement Perserverence of the Saints simply teaches why that is true.
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Post by bounbough on Jan 7, 2009 19:22:27 GMT -5
And I think he is starting to use the Authorized King James as well.
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