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Post by dale on Aug 12, 2008 14:17:00 GMT -5
Sorry, Micah, I am not going to answer any of your accusations or questions for free any longer, only for money. Being a good nonbeliever, I elect to serve Mammon. Real busy doing evil and doing things for the glory fo Dale right now, so I might not even be able to get back withy ou for a while yet and only then, for a fee. Pass the hat! But I do love the rants. I will throw up a partial response to you for free this one time. I should care what you think of me because of exactly why now? ??
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Post by john316 on Aug 12, 2008 15:02:20 GMT -5
McCain is infinitely better than Obama. Obama is an undercover muslim, a racist, a communist and he hates America. He is nothing more than a respectable version of Farrakhan. I would take Hilliary any day over Obama. I would much rather have Romney running for president than McCain but I am tired of hearing people try to sound unbiased by almost apologizing for bashing Obama by then bashing McCain. We know McCain loves America. We know Obama does not. Obama was named Barry but he changed his name to a muslim name. When I see or hear Obama I think I understand how God feels about pukewarm professing Christians. wow that's a very profound claim to make. where is the evidnece to back up these claims. I don't need evidence to believe the Bible but in matters like these you need some evidence. I may go on to say that Obama not be a good practicing Christian after listening to his speech on religion but a good American? Here is the speech he gave on religion if this is new to some of you guys www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE
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Post by HDmatt on Aug 12, 2008 15:44:07 GMT -5
forgiven quicker than Obama changes policies ;D
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 16, 2008 12:41:56 GMT -5
Do you think the pastor he sat under the teachings of for many years (Jeremiah Wrong) is a good American? Do you think he loves America?
How about refusal to salute the flag or wear a American lapel?
Oh sure he probably went back on some of these now that he thinks it will hurt his chances at the presidency.
He must get in so he can ruin this country.
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Post by art on Aug 16, 2008 17:23:04 GMT -5
How can he ruin America more than George Bush! I think the reason why some people love McCain is because in him they have someone they identify with, a leader who is as stupid as they are, you know, the blind leading the blind.
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Post by kureji on Aug 16, 2008 19:41:03 GMT -5
honestly they all stink... Why'd ron paul drop out...
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Post by dale on Aug 16, 2008 20:57:26 GMT -5
McCain called on the American people to "sacrifice" in a speech today. Sorry, but how much sacrificing has he done lately and I'm not talking about his srint in Nam! I've been sacrificng for eight years under the disasterous Bush regime, thank you. We don't need four more years of the same under McCain and that is exactly what will happen or worse.
Honestly, I would have considered Ron Paul, but that's trying to ride a dead horse now.
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 16, 2008 21:21:09 GMT -5
Do you think the pastor he sat under the teachings of for many years (Jeremiah Wrong) is a good American? Do you think he loves America? How about refusal to salute the flag or wear a American lapel? Micah....For the life of me, I can't understand how you can be some overwhelmingl critical over the subject of "who was Obama's Pastor while you openly admited to voting for the person who belonged to a cult. As for your other question....Obama did not refuse to salute the flag, he did not place his hand over his heart during the singing on the national anthem during some event. Saying he "REFUSED" to do it, is just spin. I had a chicken sandwich tonight rather than a roast beef sandwich. A good way to make it sound like I hate roast beef is to say, "Tony Holland refused to eat Roast beef." Placing your hand over your heart during the national anthem is something that some people do and something that others do not. It is not considered improper decorum not to do so. If you watch a professional sporting event, you will see some people put their hands over their heart while others don't. It's a preference thing. On the lapel pin.......seriously? Obama chooses not to wear a American Flag lapel pin, so he is un-American. LOL. Guess I will walk through my office Monday morning and inform everyone without a American Flag lapel pin that they are secretley muslims trying to work their way into the fabric of American society to take over ;D ;D Funny thing is.....Obama can't win. If he does do these things, he is pandering to the public, if he doesn't he is not a good American. Frankly, if this is the worst they can come up with against him this election, he is probably in pretty good shape.
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Post by art on Aug 17, 2008 6:56:53 GMT -5
Don't waste your time arguing with Micah as he is delusional. This is the exact reason why I hate the guy. Street preachers are all arrogant, self-serving , condenscending, delusional psychopaths masquerading as do-gooders when they are nothing of the kind and he is the worst of them. He has this attitude that he is right about everything and anyone who disagrees is wrong or sinful. If heaven did exist, which it did not, I am sure Micah believes he and God will be the only ones up there. Just let him ramble on as he is showing his true colors to everyone and it will do him in. Just like when trying to tell him Jesus is a myth, Micah has his mind made up and no evidence to the contrary will prove it to him. he is convinced Obama is oure evil. Micah's flag waving, cross waving is becomign sickening. Maybe one of these days they willa rrest him and make the charges stick when he is street ranting, where he will be in jail for a long time and we will be rid of his nonsense.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 17, 2008 10:13:39 GMT -5
More interesting videos on Obama:
Who the Muslims want in the White House:
Obama on Failed Abortions:
Obama is an ABOMINATION to God. I don't see how ANY Christian could vote for him with a good conscience. I'd rather vote for NO ONE than vote for this wicked senator...
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Post by art on Aug 17, 2008 11:41:56 GMT -5
Better than what we have in the White House now or what McCain will bring to it. Next thing you know he will want to bring back the draft. He is old, he is a liar, he is senile, he is a corporate pal. I do not care about his imprisonment in Viet Nam. I am sick of hearing about it. This does not entitle him to anything. He and his people act like he is the only person to be captured in war time. As for racism, what about McCain hugging it up with Haggee and that other fat, dead guy in Virginia who did the Moral Majority a long time ago, as they were the embodiment of Christian racism. You people want mroe of wjay we have had under Bush? You are nuts!
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 19, 2008 22:31:06 GMT -5
More interesting videos on Obama: Who the Muslims want in the White House: Obama on Failed Abortions: Obama is an ABOMINATION to God. I don't see how ANY Christian could vote for him with a good conscience. I'd rather vote for NO ONE than vote for this wicked senator... Obama on abortion from A Christianity Today interview back in Jan 08. I think you will find this pretty similar to McCain's view Also....dude, I hope you realize that the first video was a joke.
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Post by dale on Aug 20, 2008 9:37:13 GMT -5
Holland, you are almost too smart to be a Christian.......
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Post by art on Aug 21, 2008 10:24:54 GMT -5
Two REASINS NOT to vote McCain in
1.He made a subtle ref. yesterday he supported bringing back the draft.
2.In the same day he made the remark he does not KNOW how many houses he and his rich wife own.
Yet you morons somehow figure he relates to you and will represent any of your interests? You're nuts!
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 21, 2008 20:15:11 GMT -5
Yes Tony, I realize that the first one was a joke. I thought it was pretty funny though, didn't you? It probably is true though . Just so you know, this isn't a matter of Obama-McCain for me, so there really is no use in comparing their views on abortion. One thing I will say for McCain though, is that I have never heard him say he would allow failed aborted babies to just die in a room or vote against stopping it. I think that Obama's view on this is abominable. I could never even vote for someone who is for abortion let alone for someone who is for infanticide...
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Post by art on Aug 22, 2008 7:41:32 GMT -5
I am glad all you people have to worry about is a man's syppiort or opposition to abortion. I could care less about abortion. Do you want four more years of Bush and Rove politics. You have to be ntus. You want the draft brought back? You want this country handed over to the corporations even more than now ? You like paying $4.00 for gas? I support abortion rights and do so proudly. Maybe what you need to do is look at a big picture of McCain and worry on a little more than your stupid Christian issues like abortion and prayer in schools and try worrying about major stuff as wars, the draft, constitutional rights being ruined by the Repyblicans, the no fly list which is botched beyond repair, out of control police and government forces, lobby people bribery, and . You people are nuts if you want this to continue..Youc annot even prove your God exists, because he doesn't, so why shoudl "his terms" dictate anything to us? Get a dose of reality and stop being blind. We need atheists running the show in the USA and that's the truth of it. Obama is no atheist, but he is sure better than a liar, cheating, self-serving corporate scum like McCain. As for his being in a war camp, who cares! This happened to a lot more people than him in the war than him and he has been exploiting this for years. I am sick of it and of him. How do you even know his version fo what happened is real? Oh yeah, Christians believe everything they are told, so.....
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 22, 2008 11:04:58 GMT -5
Yes Tony, I realize that the first one was a joke. I thought it was pretty funny though, didn't you? It probably is true though . Just so you know, this isn't a matter of Obama-McCain for me, so there really is no use in comparing their views on abortion. One thing I will say for McCain though, is that I have never heard him say he would allow failed aborted babies to just die in a room or vote against stopping it. I think that Obama's view on this is abominable. I could never even vote for someone who is for abortion let alone for someone who is for infanticide... Not really. It's one of those things that was funny for a while, but has just gotten annoying. It's like the "Bush is stupid" jokes, video clips, etc. I'm certainly not a Bush supporter, but the guys isn't stupid. Guess it's just a "played to death" thing for me. I differ from a lot of Brothers and Sisters on this as I think it doesn't make much sense not to vote for anyone because of a few or a single issue. Not voting really accomplishes nothing other than assuring that the person who follows the rest of the issues that your support may not get elected. I don't think that I have heard Obama say that either. The problem is that politics are just a convaluted mess where you have to do a lot of digging to find out what the candidate really supports. I would really like to take a look at the bills that Obama voted against to see what exactly they were proposing. It's never as simple as a bill that says, "Dr's must care for a baby that is born alive due to a botched abortion". If it was just that, and nothing else...I would imagine that everyone would vote yes on it. Obama's primary stance on abortion is that he supports a women's right to choose, but would also support a State decision banning abortion providing there is a escape clause that would allow abortion when it is necessary to save the mother's life. This is a far cry from the picture that has been painted of Obama walking around saying, "boy, killing babies sure is great." I don't agree with his take, as I would like to see abortion eliminated completely other than when necessary to save the Mom. I think this should be a federal ban and the States should not be allowed to have any discretion on the subject. I do realize, however, that his view is pretty close to McCain's. One of the two will likely be elected, and Obama's other positions align more closely with what I think than what McCain's do. That would be why Obama will get my vote. Frankly, we have no right as Americans to complain about anything when we choose not to vote. This is a pure hypothetical, but lets say that Obama did not support free speech and may make strides to restrict your ability to preach on the streets. In that case, you would probably need to vote for McCain. If you chose not to vote at all because you didn't agree with McCain on some issues......you don't get to complain about Obama restriciting street preaching because you have basicly supported him by not voting for his opponent. Just a sidenote: NO, I AM NOT SAYING THAT OBAMA IS TRYING TO RESTRICT STREET PREACHING......IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE :-)
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 22, 2008 13:05:04 GMT -5
Hey Tony, READ THIS ARTICLE in regards to Obama's stance on failed abortions and the baby being born alive. By the way, your last paragraph about Obama and freedom of speech could be prophecy. He is all for the hate crimes legislation and I think we can all see where it is going to lead: It will be against the law to say that homosexuality is a sin. By the way, I haven't decided whether I will vote yet or not, but IF I do, it will most likely be Chuck Baldwin. I doubt he will win, but he is the only person that I can vote for with a clear conscience. I usually don't complain about the government, but I think that I have every right to complain. I was born here, I live here and decisions the government makes effect me. Saying I have no right to complain because I won't vote for the wrong candidate is kind of silly. That's like saying that black people would be wrong back in the 60's if they didn't vote for either candidate because both of them were racist. I won't compromise on a baby's right to life! As Christians, we must put our foot down at some point in time and STOP voting for the lesser of two evils. Both of the major candidates put forward are no good. I would like Ron Paul to be president! Maybe I'll just do a write-in vote. ;D
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Post by art on Aug 22, 2008 18:08:09 GMT -5
Who cares about abortions! There us a lot more important stuff at stake if an idiot like McCain gets elected.
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 22, 2008 21:40:05 GMT -5
Hey Tony, READ THIS ARTICLE in regards to Obama's stance on failed abortions and the baby being born alive. By the way, your last paragraph about Obama and freedom of speech could be prophecy. He is all for the hate crimes legislation and I think we can all see where it is going to lead: It will be against the law to say that homosexuality is a sin. By the way, I haven't decided whether I will vote yet or not, but IF I do, it will most likely be Chuck Baldwin. I doubt he will win, but he is the only person that I can vote for with a clear conscience. I usually don't complain about the government, but I think that I have every right to complain. I was born here, I live here and decisions the government makes effect me. Saying I have no right to complain because I won't vote for the wrong candidate is kind of silly. That's like saying that black people would be wrong back in the 60's if they didn't vote for either candidate because both of them were racist. I won't compromise on a baby's right to life! As Christians, we must put our foot down at some point in time and STOP voting for the lesser of two evils. Both of the major candidates put forward are no good. I would like Ron Paul to be president! Maybe I'll just do a write-in vote. ;D Yeah, there are numerour articles out there that are the same, and most seem to stem from Jill Stanek's press releases. Something I find troubling about the articles is that I see statements like "Obama admits to lying" without a quote from Obama or his campaign or a link to confirm it and __________produced evidence that the two bills were the same, without providing a link to check the bills out. Hey...they may be right, but it seems if they were, they would be happy to put their sources out for everyone to see. On the prophecy thing......" " I knew I shouldnt have said it. Respectfully, we will have to agree to disagree on the voting thing. African Americans went many years voting for people that they knew, to some extent, where racists. They typcially voted for who they thought was the least racist and tried to change things from within. This is actually a pretty good example of why it is not a good idea to skip voting on a few issues.
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Post by dale on Aug 23, 2008 6:31:52 GMT -5
Sorry, Biblethumpers, but things have just taken a turn for the worst for you all as with an Obama Biden ticket, McCain is not going to stand a chance. I can't wait til the debates as these two will eat McCain and whoever he picks as a team mate for dinner.
Obama. Change we can belueve in.
Republican rule which has ruined this country in just 8 years is coming to an end.
If uoi are listenign, Micah, might I suggest being you are down in Florida that when Obama wins, you pack your bags, leave and try preaching in Haiti or something!
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