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Post by Bornagain218 on Jul 30, 2008 21:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by dale on Jul 31, 2008 15:40:01 GMT -5
Obama has my vote.
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Post by art on Jul 31, 2008 16:46:58 GMT -5
Me too. John McCain is worthless.
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Post by Bornagain218 on Jul 31, 2008 22:43:38 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of a John McCain fan but anything is better then Obama. Any man who was chained to a wall for 5 and a half years in Vietnam has every RIGHT to be in the white house.
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Post by art on Aug 1, 2008 12:17:58 GMT -5
Being a prisoner of war does NOT qualify him to be President. if he is so great what has he done in all his time in the senate. Why did he not put some of these cure alls into action in this time. He is your typical old fool politician. People like him are why this country is in such a mess. In fact with his record we would be better if he was still chained up in the jungle and we did not have to deal with him. He has been in DC longer than I have lived. What has he done for anyone?
For a real change I wish we could have an atheist for President and get away from the one nation under god idiocy once and for all.
In the meantime, Obama, YES WE CAN!
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 7, 2008 19:17:49 GMT -5
Born again...please allow me to call you on the carpet on this video that you have posted.
I assume that since you posted it, that you agree with the content.
The video basically says that Obama is responsible for/or will be responsible for Hitler's atrocities against the jews, 9/11, marxism, abortion, unrest in the middle east, and a number of other things.
Now I ask you to make the connection between Obama and these things, otherwise this is just slander which I feel pretty comfortable saying is sin.
Please explain yourself.
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Post by brobreaud on Aug 7, 2008 22:58:11 GMT -5
As part of the Born Alive Infant Protection Package, SB 1661 (2002) which would create a cause of action if a child is born alive after an abortion and the child is then neglected through failure to provide medical care after birth, Senator Barack Obama voted NO.
It is one thing to be pro "choice", it is another to vote to allow doctors to neglect a baby that survies an abortion!
He gets a 100% rating from NARAL. At least he doesn't mix truth with error.
Brobreaud
P.S. I am no fan of the RE-publicans either. Politically, I am a biblical centrist.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 7, 2008 23:14:14 GMT -5
McCain is infinitely better than Obama. Obama is an undercover muslim, a racist, a communist and he hates America.
He is nothing more than a respectable version of Farrakhan.
I would take Hilliary any day over Obama.
I would much rather have Romney running for president than McCain but I am tired of hearing people try to sound unbiased by almost apologizing for bashing Obama by then bashing McCain.
We know McCain loves America.
We know Obama does not.
Obama was named Barry but he changed his name to a muslim name.
When I see or hear Obama I think I understand how God feels about pukewarm professing Christians.
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Post by dale on Aug 8, 2008 14:39:57 GMT -5
I have news for you Micah, noting you are spouting off as always without knowing all the facts. I grew up in Arizona and know what this guy is all about. He loves America alright...CORPORATE America.
We have had one dangerous religious fanatic in the office for eight years now and he has sure worked wonders for the USA hasn't he.
I might as well have not been surprise you people would believe anything you hear on the net or from a Republican politician, being you already have proven your gullibility by believing The Bible lock stock and barrel.
Obama is NOT my first choice. Believe it or not, I might have taken the Christian, Ron Paul over Obama. But Obama is NOT McCain, who will bring us four more years of Karl Rove/Bush politics this country cannot afford or survive.
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Post by debonnaire on Aug 8, 2008 15:16:03 GMT -5
There is no authority that does not come from God. If USA is worthy to have an Obama, let it have an Obama, as it got a Bush before him.
I am afraid that , whatever the outcome of your elections friends, it won't change the fact that USA is not on a good road. The years to come will be worst than the previous ones i'm afraid,
of course it applies to other (if not all) nations as well. Tribulation is coming.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Aug 8, 2008 15:58:31 GMT -5
I believe it was Brother Andrew (possibly Ben Franklin, I can't remember) who said "A country gets the leader it deserves"
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Post by dale on Aug 8, 2008 19:05:54 GMT -5
Hey look at the good side, maybe Jesus will come back in October and take all you Christians and your brother in Christ George Bush out if here. Thjough it will be boring with no one to mess with on this board, America will be a lot better off with all of you gone.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 9, 2008 1:30:07 GMT -5
True we do not deserve a good president.
No one deserves salvation either. Does that mean we just sit around and wait for God to save people?
Since we do not deserve a good president does that mean we do not vote for the better man.
Does that mean we throw up our hands and give up?
We are told to pray that we have Godly leaders in authority (1 Timothy 2:1-4). If we are to pray then should we not vote also?
Does that mean you guys that are supposed to be Christians are not going to vote?
I believe the homosexual agenda has successfully brainwashed this country to believe that anyone who ever disagrees with any black person on any point whatsoever is a racist.
How in the world can anyone even compare McCain to being as bad as Obama?
I think it is either people do not care about the outcome of this country or they have been brainwashed by the homosexual community to believe they are racists if they vote for McCain over Obama.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 9, 2008 1:34:20 GMT -5
Yes we realize our country is in bad shape and tribulation is coming and we are to prepare for it.
We are heading down the same road as Europe and Canada.
Nevertheless, I am going to fight it every inch of the way as much as possible.
I like the quote that goes something like:
"The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to sit back and do nothing".
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Post by Bornagain218 on Aug 9, 2008 5:19:03 GMT -5
Born again...please allow me to call you on the carpet on this video that you have posted. I assume that since you posted it, that you agree with the content. The video basically says that Obama is responsible for/or will be responsible for Hitler's atrocities against the jews, 9/11, marxism, abortion, unrest in the middle east, and a number of other things. Now I ask you to make the connection between Obama and these things, otherwise this is just slander which I feel pretty comfortable saying is sin. Please explain yourself. Well it was not me that made the video so I had no say in the content. I felt the imagery in the video related to the political stance and the results of an Oboma presidency. Do I agree with everything in the video, no. Do I agree with the general message, yes. I see it more as a shock video to wake people up.
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Post by dale on Aug 9, 2008 6:27:10 GMT -5
The fact that so many Christians on this thread are against Obama was my wake up call and the very evidence I need to vote for HIM. Thanks. You too Micah. The fact you hate Obama so much is the very indication he is my man!
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 9, 2008 16:58:59 GMT -5
Born again...please allow me to call you on the carpet on this video that you have posted. I assume that since you posted it, that you agree with the content. The video basically says that Obama is responsible for/or will be responsible for Hitler's atrocities against the jews, 9/11, marxism, abortion, unrest in the middle east, and a number of other things. Now I ask you to make the connection between Obama and these things, otherwise this is just slander which I feel pretty comfortable saying is sin. Please explain yourself. Well it was not me that made the video so I had no say in the content. I felt the imagery in the video related to the political stance and the results of an Oboma presidency. Do I agree with everything in the video, no. Do I agree with the general message, yes. I see it more as a shock video to wake people up. Lets make up our mind. When you posted the video...this is what you said. So first the video is "the truth" and now you don't agree with everything in the video, it's a shock video, its what you think may happen with a Obama presidency, etc. To say this is the truth would imply that it is a fact. Your video fell FAR from the standard of establishing any facts. It really didn't even try. It's a case of imagery for the weak minded. Show a bunch of scary pictures along with pictures of the folks we are against and people will make the connection. Alex Jones likes to do this stuff with his conspiracy theories. I would like to say people don't buy this nonsense, but present company would indicate that they do. Speaking of stupid conspiracy theories Are you going to back up any of this nonsense with facts, or just throw it on the wall and hope it sticks? To address the "Obama changes his name" theory.....You might want to dig a little deeper. Obama is going by his given name. Barry was a nickname that he decided not to keep. These little smear attempts are probably real popular at skinhead and KKK rallies, but I would have expected better from you. You know....somehow I don't think there is any such thing as a Christian Bigot.
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Post by dale on Aug 9, 2008 20:46:04 GMT -5
Gow can anyone compare McCain as being as bad as Obama, Micah asks. Well, I can, because I grew up in Arizona and had a stomach full of him long before he got ambitions to run for the White House . I jnow what he is all abotu and am amazed people back west were and are still dumb enough to keep voting for him. He is and was worthless. He always will be.
People harped on Obama and Wright to no end, but look at some of the company McCain has kept. Log in Charles Kearing Jr., Phil Graham and Rick Renzi in search. You don't gear the media saying anything about Renzi, who I knew in college, back in 1979, the one year I spent at NAU and he was in the dorm next to mine.
I thin we can all pretty much agree that no one outt here is wonderful and sadly just avout all politicians are crooks, liars and bandits, I weould say, the only question is to what extent and in which direction. I think we could all shake hands on that one and agree. The sad part is I am having to vote for the lesser of two evils again and in doing so, I will go for Obama.
McCain is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He is no "maverick Republican ." The real maverick Republican was Ron Paul. He is your typical Repuvlican, a corporate suck up claiming to be for God, country and all things right with Americam when he is in the pockets of the lobby groups and the corporations.
McCain's affilaition with a scumbaf like Karl Rove alone is reason nor to vote for him.
That Christian nitwit Geiorge Bush has made America unlivable during this eight year disaster of a reign. It is time for a regime change right here in the USA. We don't need four more years of the same.
Batak . Change we can believe in! Yes we can!
And I really wish John Mc Cain would stop saying MY friends" in every speech. I am NOT his friend. He coudl drop over dead from a stroke or something after gaving one of his infamous and seldom discussed temper tantrums and I wouldn't cry any.
As for his moral character, look into long past and his affair with Cindy. He is an adulter also, and that makes him a sinner, by your own standards? This lwolife split with his first wife when he saw a far better deal.
When he dies, he will be down there in hell with me. And I still won't be his friend!
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 9, 2008 22:15:46 GMT -5
Who ever said McCain was a Christian? Who ever said Bush was a Christian?
This country is full of devils like dale. Since this country is so ungodly it will never have a "real" Christian as a president.
People like dale think anyone who is protestant, mentions God and is against homosexuality is a Christian.
You mentioned above dale that Bush is a religious fanatic.
Why do you call him a religious fanatic? What evidence do you have of this?
Yes you are right, McCain is a sinner and an adulterer and is heading for hell just like you.
Where in the world do you ever get the idea I would not vote for someone who was not a Christian?
Most people think Huckabee is a Christian. I do not know if he is or not, but politically he sure seems like one. Guess who brother Micah voted for in the Florida primaries?
McCain? No!
Huckabee? No!
Romney? Yes!
I voted Romney.
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Post by debonnaire on Aug 10, 2008 3:55:43 GMT -5
Yes we realize our country is in bad shape and tribulation is coming and we are to prepare for it. We are heading down the same road as Europe and Canada. Nevertheless, I am going to fight it every inch of the way as much as possible. I like the quote that goes something like: "The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to sit back and do nothing". I agree with this statement. I am concerned though when genuine preachers of the Word put their hope in men. Voting yes we can , opening our mouths against laws of iniquity okay, but if our hope is in men we have it all wrong. Here is what one man of God said in the 50’s : It now sounds like strange doctrine to most Christians, and to most men in the ministry, that the Church was intended of the Lord to be SEPARATE from the world structure. If Satan is indeed the "god of this world" and the "prince of the power of the air," then only in the power of the Spirit are we going to be able to wage effectual warfare against the antichristian forces that are at work in the earth. (See Ephesians 6:10-18.) If the ills of our nation, or any other nation, are considered to be merely of a political or economic nature, then it really doesn’t matter all that much if our statesmen are pagan or Christian; and ungodly men will readily support any man seeking political power as long as the ECONOMY rather than CHRIST, is the main issue... as long as our standard of living will continue to rise... as long as it is generally understood that the life style of Sodom with all her debauchery and her unspeakable licentiousness will not be seriously tampered with. Sodom’s economy was one of the best in her day, but God was not the least impressed with her abundance and prosperity... In fact, God considered her booming economy to be her fundamental sin: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, PRIDE, FULNESS OF BREAD, and ABUNDANCE OF IDLENESS..." (Ezekiel 16:49). How well this sums up the situation as it exists today, especially here in the Western World! God wants His people to be assured that a Spirit-filled, Spirit-taught, Spirit-anointed, Spirit-led people is the only answer that God has for human need; Apart from national repentance and a turning toward God, the Bible gives no hope whatever for the renewal of our society-By the way, if ever Obama is elected will McCain voters will pray for him nevertheless [without following him] as the Word says they should do ?
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Post by Bornagain218 on Aug 10, 2008 4:20:30 GMT -5
Well it was not me that made the video so I had no say in the content. I felt the imagery in the video related to the political stance and the results of an Oboma presidency. Do I agree with everything in the video, no. Do I agree with the general message, yes. I see it more as a shock video to wake people up. Lets make up our mind. When you posted the video...this is what you said. So first the video is "the truth" and now you don't agree with everything in the video, it's a shock video, its what you think may happen with a Obama presidency, etc. To say this is the truth would imply that it is a fact. Your video fell FAR from the standard of establishing any facts. It really didn't even try. It's a case of imagery for the weak minded. Show a bunch of scary pictures along with pictures of the folks we are against and people will make the connection. Alex Jones likes to do this stuff with his conspiracy theories. I would like to say people don't buy this nonsense, but present company would indicate that they do. Speaking of stupid conspiracy theories Are you going to back up any of this nonsense with facts, or just throw it on the wall and hope it sticks? To address the "Obama changes his name" theory.....You might want to dig a little deeper. Obama is going by his given name. Barry was a nickname that he decided not to keep. These little smear attempts are probably real popular at skinhead and KKK rallies, but I would have expected better from you. You know....somehow I don't think there is any such thing as a Christian Bigot. I don't really care for you playing with the words that I write, this is just stupid. I just don't like seeing we're the worlds going,and I feel it's going to get worse with Obama, and that's the general message I'm trying to convey.
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Post by dale on Aug 10, 2008 12:04:44 GMT -5
Lived being called a devil, Micah. Thank you. You have brought me great joy this afternoon.
Bush has said repeatedly that he talks to God and hears answers, has embraced Christianity and is YOUR brother in Christ, NOT MINE! Read a book or two or try listening yo yhe news for a change instead of justs atnding on a streetcorner shouting with that dumb hat, sign board and Bible.
In fact I am starting to think in street preaching you have been hit with too many water balliins or something and it has logged down your brain. I will keep your mental condition in mind and try not to argue with you any more.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 10, 2008 14:09:54 GMT -5
Where do you get your information dale? Reading internet articles.
How about some specific hard evidence of Bush being a religious fanatic.
You hypocrite!
According to your definition Obama is a religious fanatic too going to Jeremiah Wrong's church for all those years.
Do you not think Jeremiah Wright is a racist?
What would you think if President Bush attended the church of someone for twenty years who was known to be an outspoken flagrant racist?
Or are you such a racist and so caught up with the color of a man's skin that you make exceptions for racism when it is done by a black person.
Real man of principal you are aren't you.
Hypocrite!
If you don't oppose all racism you are a racist!
You are not a person of principal you hypocrite. You are governed by public opinion and political correctness.
If you are such a man of wisdom and know so much why aren't you out on the streets publicly proclaiming what you know is the truth?
You know why you do not? You have nothing of value to say and if you did you are too selfish and concerned about what people think about you and your reputation to do so.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 10, 2008 14:18:57 GMT -5
debonnaire,
Just because you vote it does not mean you are putting all of your trust in the political system.
Yes, I am going to sign petitions, vote, talk, etc. and do other things I can.
I do not want America to end up like France although it is heading in that direction.
I do not go around preaching on politics although sometimes these issues come up and we should have an answer.
Yes we can go too far.
I am almost never even on this board anymore.
I think most people waste too much time debating doctrine instead of studying their bibles and praying.
How much time or effort does it take to sign a petition or go vote for who you believe is the better candidate?
There are two extremes.
One does nothing, says nothing and avoids all dealings with political issues.
The other gets overly involved and puts their faith in the political system instead of praying and preaching to change the moral tone of the society.
Christians in America have fallen into both of these I believe.
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Post by HDmatt on Aug 10, 2008 14:32:23 GMT -5
Alistair Begg puts it well: If Christians who see our state and don't weep, they lose all right to shout.
When we don't do the commissioned job of addressing sin, and pointing to the saviour, we have no right to pursue politics in excess no mandate at all.
It is easier to argue about politics than it is to humble down and warn people like dale, art, my neighbors, that time is short, and there life is at risk. Again though, the Gospel means good news, why doesn' that sink in?
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Post by dale on Aug 10, 2008 15:55:29 GMT -5
Trust me, Christian, Micah has no effect on me whatsoever except to provoke loud and hysterical laughter, which is why I wish he would come preach up here, as I am sure in person he is much funnier than on u tube or this board. Of course he would much rather gloat over how he is going to heaven , how mcuh better off and better as a person he is than I am and how I am hell bound. I have seen plenty of his kind before. He is funnier than Comedy Central and certainly more interesting than a McCain speech . In fact, if they want to end the war in Iraq, just put Mcain on a grandstand and let him do a speech for two hours. When he puts everyone in the area to sleep, we can send a second wave in and kill all the terrorists in one swing while they are still napping.
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 10, 2008 19:45:50 GMT -5
Lets make up our mind. When you posted the video...this is what you said. So first the video is "the truth" and now you don't agree with everything in the video, it's a shock video, its what you think may happen with a Obama presidency, etc. To say this is the truth would imply that it is a fact. Your video fell FAR from the standard of establishing any facts. It really didn't even try. It's a case of imagery for the weak minded. Show a bunch of scary pictures along with pictures of the folks we are against and people will make the connection. Alex Jones likes to do this stuff with his conspiracy theories. I would like to say people don't buy this nonsense, but present company would indicate that they do. Speaking of stupid conspiracy theories Are you going to back up any of this nonsense with facts, or just throw it on the wall and hope it sticks? To address the "Obama changes his name" theory.....You might want to dig a little deeper. Obama is going by his given name. Barry was a nickname that he decided not to keep. These little smear attempts are probably real popular at skinhead and KKK rallies, but I would have expected better from you. You know....somehow I don't think there is any such thing as a Christian Bigot. I don't really care for you playing with the words that I write, this is just stupid. I just don't like seeing we're the worlds going,and I feel it's going to get worse with Obama, and that's the general message I'm trying to convey. I'm not playing with your words. You said the video which makes the case that Obama is the same as Hitler, Stalin, etc. Now, quoting you again, you are just saying that you don't like where the world is going and you think it will get worse with Obama. If I said the Bible is the truth, and than I said, well....not literally, it just conveys many of the thoughts that I have. I would rightfully be labeled a heretic. Is the video on the same level as the Bible? Of course not!, but the point is that one needs to be careful about their words. If Dale said that all Christians are bigoted jerks and showed a video of Fred Phelps to prove it, you would probably be pretty offended....right?
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 10, 2008 22:39:50 GMT -5
HDMatt,
Are you serious? Do you really actually believe I have not warned them?
The truth is they are both arrogant God haters and mockers.
The truth is they understand perfectly what they have heard me preach. That is why art is so hateful towards me.
Do you really think the gospel is good news to arrogant God haters? No it is good news for humble broken sinners.
In Mark 1:1 the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ begins with John the Baptist preaching repentance.
If dale and art will repent it is good news. If not it is judgment and d**nation to them.
What do you want me to tell them? Jesus died for them? Hell is full of people Jesus died for.
Do you want me to tell them Jesus loves them? Hell is full of people Jesus loved.
Here is how Jesus talked to people He loved and died for: Ye serpents ye generation of vipers how can you escape the d**nation of hell (Matthew 23:33).
I have not seen you take a shot at warning dale and art. Why don't you give it a try?
I will sit back and critique you like you do me.
Have you read the other post where I am trying to get dale to tell me why he thinks adultery is a sin? Do you think he will engage me? He might but he has not yet.
You can read post after post where dale insults me and I never respond. This is nothing personal.
What got me fired up on this board is the attitude of so many Christians trying to sympathize with Obama by making it sound like McCain is just as bad.
Are they more concerned with being politically correct or slowing down the sodomite agenda?
Are they more concerned with being politically correct or adding more morally conservative judges?
Are they more concerned with being politically correct or slowing down the abortion holocaust?
Are they more concerned with being politically correct or getting a racist muslim who would not even salute the flag in the white house?
There is no way these guys would be so soft if Obama was white.
Do you think these guys would be so soft if this was Hillary Clinton?
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Post by HDmatt on Aug 11, 2008 10:54:20 GMT -5
HDMatt, Are you serious? Do you really actually believe I have not warned them? The truth is they are both arrogant God haters and mockers. The truth is they understand perfectly what they have heard me preach. That is why art is so hateful towards me. Do you really think the gospel is good news to arrogant God haters? No it is good news for humble broken sinners. In Mark 1:1 the beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ begins with John the Baptist preaching repentance. If dale and art will repent it is good news. If not it is judgment and d**nation to them. What do you want me to tell them? Jesus died for them? Hell is full of people Jesus died for. Do you want me to tell them Jesus loves them? Hell is full of people Jesus loved. Here is how Jesus talked to people He loved and died for: Ye serpents ye generation of vipers how can you escape the d**nation of hell (Matthew 23:33). I have not seen you take a shot at warning dale and art. Why don't you give it a try? I will sit back and critique you like you do me. Have you read the other post where I am trying to get dale to tell me why he thinks adultery is a sin? Do you think he will engage me? He might but he has not yet. You can read post after post where dale insults me and I never respond. This is nothing personal. What got me fired up on this board is the attitude of so many Christians trying to sympathize with Obama by making it sound like McCain is just as bad. Are they more concerned with being politically correct or slowing down the sodomite agenda? Are they more concerned with being politically correct or adding more morally conservative judges? Are they more concerned with being politically correct or slowing down the abortion holocaust? Are they more concerned with being politically correct or getting a racist muslim who would not even salute the flag in the white house? There is no way these guys would be so soft if Obama was white. Do you think these guys would be so soft if this was Hillary Clinton? I think I was taken out of context, I wasn't addressing you Br. Micah, just reiterating some of the things that had already been said. You were doing such a good job addressing sin I just was amening it. I agree the racial thing is such a sham. I agree the Gospel is good news only to one who is aware of his/her state. I agree pretty much with everything you said and have said. I just thought the quote from alistair was intense........here is the context, many people rest in politics as their saviour and some claim to be followers of Christ, yet won't do anything about the lost. Is that you? No! I hope that calms the storm a little. Dale & Art I do pray for you, for your benefit, not harm.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 11, 2008 13:32:08 GMT -5
Oh, I am so sorry! Please forgive me I apologize!
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