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Post by messengermicah on Aug 10, 2008 23:01:52 GMT -5
There is no way some of you guys would be so diplomatic about this election if Obama was a white guy.
How about if McCain were running against Hillary?
Oh the tune would change then!!!
I listened to Christians everywhere bash Hillary up one side and down another but then whenever they say anything against Obama they quickly go to criticizing McCain.
You know why? They are brainwashed into being politically correct.
They have been so influenced by people who are so concerned with the color of someone's skin that they have trained everyone to treat people preferentially because of the color of their skin.
That is just as wrong as treating people wrongly because of the color of their skin.
Would you be diplomatic about a white candidate who for years attended a church whose pastor was known to be a flagrant racist?
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Post by kenm on Aug 11, 2008 15:47:06 GMT -5
I have to say that I agree with you on this one. We are so scared to be tagged a racist if we speak the truth about Obama.
Being black has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned I look at the facts
He does have a Muslim tie through his father and step father. I know he has denied practicing but you can not deny the influence is there. Yes he joined a church and sat under a preacher that taught against whites and America. (Neither have anything to do with repentance and Jesus)
What makes me really sad is the media,
Diane Sawyer who made it very clear that he was not a Muslim when it went against him but then stressed that the fact that he had a Muslim name might help him with dealing in the Middle East. Which is it Muslim influence and background or not.
Pick one and stick with it. He can not say he is a Christian one day and then use his middle name of Hussein to gain influence with the middle east and Muslim voters.
He can do no wrong in the eyes of the media, and people are eating it up.
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 11, 2008 23:18:41 GMT -5
Micah, it sounds like you are more obsessed with the fact that Obama is not white than anyone else here.
Most democrats have very little against Hillary....minor issues were turned into big issues during the campaign, but that always happens.
I hope to see a Obama/Clinton ticket in the near future.
You seem to keep harping on Obama's association with Wright.....Obama has disassociated himself with Wright and publicly condemened many of the things that he said. Would you not appreciate the courtesy of people taking you at your word if you disassociated from a preacher after you learned that he had unchristian practices?
On the muslim thing......grow up guys. Yes, he had muslim ties and influence. He choose not to be a muslim. Has anyone hear had influences in their lifes at a younger age that were not purely Christian? I grew up with a family that was openly racist....I mean VERY openly. Does that mean I will always have a racist undertone? Of course not.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 11, 2008 23:26:43 GMT -5
Just curious Tony...are you considering voting for Obama?
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 11, 2008 23:39:19 GMT -5
Why do you make the above statement that "it sounds like you are more obsessed with the fact that Obama is not white than anyone else here"?
Is this your opinion or are you projecting your ideas onto me?
Oh please with the "Obama disassociated himself from Wright". Yes of course he did after he realized it was going to hurt him in the election.
Do you expect me to believe that Obama just recently learned after attending that church for all those years that Jeremiah Wright was a racist and teaches black liberation (just like the black muslims but with a protestant slant).
Do you believe Obama never knew about what his pastor believed after he preached it openly for years after attending his church?
Just like he changed his position on not pledging the flag. Anything to win.
Let me tell you something. You can insinuate all you want like you did above that you think I am a racist and it will not do a bit of good.
I am not like you are and I do not judge people based on the color of their skin but on the content of their character. Obama has none.
If he is not a muslim then drop the muslim name.
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 12, 2008 0:09:49 GMT -5
Just curious Tony...are you considering voting for Obama? That is the plan. My personal political viewpoint is closest to Obama's. I think moderate democrat would be the best term. I made the statement because of all of the posts about Obama on the forum, you have spent more time discussing his skin color that anyone else. Projecting my ideas onto you? Nice use of the "I know you are, but what am I" debate tactic....LOL. Ok, so you aren't willing to take him at his word. Nice extension of grace there.... Felt it neccessary to bring up again? Here is a little Shakespere for you to reflect on. methinks thou protesth too muchOk, this is almost like something out of a bad sitcom. IT IS HIS NAME!!!! Perhaps he should change it to something more of your liking?
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Post by eric on Aug 12, 2008 11:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by joemccowan on Aug 12, 2008 11:37:47 GMT -5
All politics aside, how does a Christian justify voting for someone who is pro-abortion and pro-homosexual? How can you cast your lot with a defender of infant genocide and sodomy?
I don't get it.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 12, 2008 12:19:14 GMT -5
All politics aside, how does a Christian justify voting for someone who is pro-abortion and pro-homosexual? How can you cast your lot with a defender of infant genocide and sodomy? I don't get it. Yeah, those were a few of my concerns. Aside from all of the big fat lies that Obama has told, how can a Christian vote for such a person? I'd rather not vote at all then vote for such a person. Concerning the lies that I believe Obama has told, I don't think it is a matter of giving "Christian grace" to the guy Tony. Being a Christian and giving grace has nothing to do with believing every single thing a person says. We must consider the facts, look at the fruit of the person's life and use discernment. No offense Tony, but it doesn't take much discernment to see that Obama is just another politician who is a pathological liar and will do anything he can do get in the White House. I fear for our nation if he does...
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 12, 2008 12:22:07 GMT -5
If I do vote, he is probably who I will vote for. He's just like Ron Paul...
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Post by tonyholland on Aug 12, 2008 13:37:43 GMT -5
All politics aside, how does a Christian justify voting for someone who is pro-abortion and pro-homosexual? How can you cast your lot with a defender of infant genocide and sodomy? I don't get it. Yeah, those were a few of my concerns. Aside from all of the big fat lies that Obama has told, how can a Christian vote for such a person? I'd rather not vote at all then vote for such a person. Concerning the lies that I believe Obama has told, I don't think it is a matter of giving "Christian grace" to the guy Tony. Being a Christian and giving grace has nothing to do with believing every single thing a person says. We must consider the facts, look at the fruit of the person's life and use discernment. No offense Tony, but it doesn't take much discernment to see that Obama is just another politician who is a pathological liar and will do anything he can do get in the White House. I fear for our nation if he does... No offense taken at all. I'll kind of give you a breakdown of how I look at the political arena. This should shed somemore light even if you don't agree with me. I start with the basic assumption that all politicians are politicians. As you said, they do or say whatever they need to do to get into office.....ok fair enough, they are politicians after all. If they are talking about a aspect of their personal life I will take their word for it, and change my position if proven wrong. Religous affiliations don't really bother me at all so long as it doesn't come to play in their job. Then....I take a look at both candidates and eliminate all of the for and against arguments where there is no actual "for or against". For example...homosexuality. Obama is for homosexual rights, I get it. I look at McCain who says, "homosexuality is neither a defect or a SIN" (emphasis mine) He is against gay marriage but supports...well, here are his words In my eyes, there is virtually no difference between the candidates on this issue other than McCain taking the party line on Gay marriage. Then abortion. Obama is clearly a right to choose person. It's hard to tell what McCain is.....he won't say. What he said near the beginning of the campaign is that he wouldn't look to overturn Roe vs Wade. Later he said that he thought it might be good for the abortion issue to be decided by the states. I listened to a interview with McCain a few weeks ago where he was asked the same question over and over by George Stephanopolus trying to get a straight answer......The question was, "Do you support a woman's right to have an abortion. McCain answered over and over....."That is a decision that should be up to the individual States. He wouldn't take a stand on either side, so as far as I am concerned, it's a wash between the candidates. After all of this, I start saying, "What issues affect me that these guys may actually do something about" War---Near and dear. My brother in law is in Iraq now, my son is in the Army reserve and will be going either there or Afghanistan in October. I am a Navy Vet. We have seriously overstepped our bounds as a country with Iraq, and I fear that we may do the same with Iran at some point. Obama wins my vote on this area, as I think that while he doesn't want to pull the plug immediatley and destabilize the region, he does want to begin withdraws in the near future. Economy---Personal view is that Obama will do a better job. McCain is pretty much following the President's path on this issue....which isn't good. Foreign Relations---I do think McCain is a good guy, and I do NOT think he is hostile to diplomacy, but I do feel that Obama will do a better job with this. To keep from writing a book, I'll leave it with this for now and am happy to answer questions about things I didn't type here. All in all, people should just make a informed decision and vote for who they want to vote for. I get upset with the silly smearing like we have seen here starts. The "Obama is a muslim plant", and "Obama is a racist" crap is just horrible as the left wing theories that McCain is covering up information about present day POW's in Vietnam.
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 12, 2008 13:57:49 GMT -5
Thanks for explaining your position Tony. I'm with you on the Iraq and War thing. I don't think we should have ever gone over there in the first place. I don't think our Army is supposed to be "world police". The main reason for our military should be to protect our own country, not go around fighting for everyone else, coming to the rescue, etc. Regarding the issues with Obama's past (very recent one), I don't think it is a smear thing. Some of the things may be far fetched, such as him being a Muslim, but he definitely is NOT a Christian. I think he is definitely guilty by association though. Not only because of being under a racist pastor for the last 20 years and "not knowing he was like that", but also other ties he has had (Flagler) in very recent days. To ignore this as just a "smear campaign" is a bad choice in my mind. The recent past (VERY RECENT) DOES matter brother. Obama's record shows that he is the most liberal senator out there. He is also VERY young. I don't think he is ready to run this country, if he ever will be. Check out these videos for more:
Part 1
Part 2
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Post by joemccowan on Aug 12, 2008 15:00:53 GMT -5
Agreed. That is why I can't support either one of them. I can't in good conscience vote for Obama or McCain. I believe it is a dangerous game to play lesser of two evils and end up supporting abortion or other atrocities. If these are the only two choices we will have on election day, I will simply vote no and refrain from supporting either one. The candidates are counting on the fact that you will vote for them in-spite of your faith. As long as you continue to do so, they will continue to give you just enough of an excuse to vote for them for you to ignore the blood on their hands. Inevitably, your hands become bloody in the process.
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Post by art on Aug 14, 2008 16:23:22 GMT -5
You have made many stupid posts and made many stupid statements Micah, but this was the dumbest, even from you . Get a grip and see a shrink. And get your ego into check while you are at it.
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Post by brobreaud on Aug 15, 2008 1:04:36 GMT -5
Baldwin it is. Even though he is a stalwark premillenial and "one world order", at least he is saved.
Obama voted in favor of witholding medical support for infants who SURVIVED abortions!
McCain has supported embryonic (read person) stem cell research, which has zero proof of progress; unlike adult stem cells which have.
I think McCain would be like many other Republicans who like abortion because it gets them votes.
Brobreaud
I was surprised to learn recently some "National Right To Life" organizations have pension plans! Hmmmmm
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Post by streetfishing on Aug 15, 2008 11:32:30 GMT -5
Baldwin huh? Someone I can vote for with a clear conscience... I would not have voted for either McCain nor Obama.... Jim
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Post by art on Aug 15, 2008 18:29:51 GMT -5
This thread shows exactly why everyone who can think should hate radical Christians like the one in the baord and in the college malls preaching. It also especially shows why the nonchristians who have heard Micah preach or even read his comments here hate him. It is not because anyone is convicted of sin, but because they see this loudmouth for what he is and I could never get by with saying it without being deleted. That will have to wait til we meet face to face this fall.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 16, 2008 12:57:17 GMT -5
I guess I should not be surprised about the outcome of this thread. We will see who was right in the end.
Why vote for Baldwin or Paul? That is a wasted vote.
Has McCain proved loyalty to this country?
Has Obama?
Who will do away with free speech laws quicker? Obama or McCain?
Who is more liberal?
Is Obama a racist?
Why would he not salute the flag?
How could anyone else with a record, associations and a character like his get this far?
What has Obama ever accomplished?
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 16, 2008 13:08:31 GMT -5
This is for all of you who chose not to vote for McCain. This one reason of many why I am so dead set against Obama. I received this today. Voting for Baldwin or Paul is a vote for Obama. I was very disturbed by this video of Obama mocking the Scriptures and seeming to indicate it is out of date and should not be followed in public policy: www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=4FCNKwHRCQM&rel=1&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//i1.ytimg.com/vi/4FCNKwHRCQM/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLqw50HPrmV8DjbqY7q11vH&use_get_video_info=1. I thought his remarks were appalling and show he doesn't understand the context, nor application. I wanted to share it with you so you can see what he says about the Bible himself, not just from his previous pastor Jeremiah Wright. May God be merciful to our nation in our upcoming election. Don't sit there and tell me as a Christian that McCain is as bad as Obama.
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Post by art on Aug 16, 2008 17:19:47 GMT -5
Obama has my vote, so when he wins and we have a real leader for a change who will fix all the damage Bush has done, I have a great idea. Micah, why don't you pack upand leave the country. They can use street ranters like you in Mexico and Brazil and the like. Bye! I won't miss you!
What we need is one nation without God. Amen.
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Post by art on Aug 29, 2008 21:10:36 GMT -5
If Obama was white," as Micah says before going on and on. I have a counter offer.
If Micah was intelligent, which he isn't, he would
1. Not streetpreach' 2 Not be a Christian 3 Not be for McCain and this new bimbo he found in Alaska
4. He would VOTE FOR OBAMA
P.s. I hate you, Micah.
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 30, 2008 11:35:19 GMT -5
I didn't know you were such a sexist bigot art?
Is the reference to McCain's running mate being a "bimbo" because she is a woman and a former beauty pageant winner?
Are you inferring all pretty women are "airheaded"?
I had no idea you were so bigoted and sexist art. I thought you would be thrilled about a woman getting a shot at vice president.
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Post by art on Aug 30, 2008 14:20:07 GMT -5
THink what you want as there is nor easoning with a fool like you. That's because you're an idiot, Micag, but your posts proves it long before Come back when you are smarter and realize Obama is the one who will save this nation and MCain will kead it to ruin, just like Hitler ruined Germany.
I hate Bush, I hate McCain, I hate his bimbo pick and I especially hate you.
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Post by dale on Oct 10, 2008 17:30:34 GMT -5
Adding to the thread...and if Micah was smart, he would shut up and realzie what scumbags McCain and Palin both are, then would vote for Obama. but then who has ever heard Micah on his u tube videos and been able to accuse him of being smart?
Oh by the way, Micah, do not bother to respond to me and expect an answer unless I see ten dollars in my pay pal account first. I will let you know the alternative email to send it to if you message me personally.
Oh as far the company McCain keeps, log a search for the name of Rick Renzi out in Arizona....
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Post by davidvalley on Oct 11, 2008 17:56:00 GMT -5
I'm not gonna say that Obama being black has any real signifigance in how he would run the country but I think it would be a historical thing to see a black man become a president in this day and age. Racism is still very much alive. In fact the last racist lynchings only took place 20 years ago in 1988.
I think he would make a great role model for black people who feel like they can't make it in life when in this day and age they obviously can.
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Post by dale on Oct 12, 2008 7:01:57 GMT -5
The Christians, on the other hand, already have their own great role models in the form of Sarah Palin and Micah The Street Preacher .
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Post by evilart on Oct 12, 2008 8:32:24 GMT -5
Just shut up Micah. You are no better at politics than you are at preaching.
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