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Post by logic on Aug 29, 2008 16:03:59 GMT -5
If we don't pray, God does have plan B, which is what He does if He does not find a man to to pray.
Eze 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should build up the wall, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. :31 Therefore have I poured out my indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: their own way have I recompensed upon their heads, says the Lord GOD.
Plan A was to find a man among them, that should build up the wall, and stand in the gap before Him. Plan B Is to pour out indignation upon as judgment.
Just as Moses prayed, And God kept Plan A (Exodus 32:14)
One could say that is one chooses to sin, God must turn to Plan B an a way.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 31, 2008 14:07:05 GMT -5
Yes, God has plan A, plan B, and even Plan C.
I have always said it like this:
Plan A: Nobody Ever Sin
Plan B: Those who sin can repent and be forgiven through Jesus
Plan C: Those who refuse to repent and are not forgiven through Jesus go to hell
Hell is God's last resort. God did not create hell for man and God did not create man for hell. God always ultimately wanted a sinless universe.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 31, 2008 23:54:31 GMT -5
The concept that God can have a "Plan A & B" is also Open Theism. It presupposes the open view concept or understanding of foreknowledge.
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Post by logic on Sept 1, 2008 16:13:26 GMT -5
The concept that God can have a "Plan A & B" is also Open Theism. It presupposes the open view concept or understanding of foreknowledge. I could also see it as God already knowing that HE would not find a man to stand in the gap, but only looked to proove that a man could have when time was open. What I mean by "when time was open" is that before creation, there was a time when nothing was truly desided, confirmed or determind. I do believe that there was an open periode of eternity to be in existance for relationship to be posible between the Trinity Godhead. For, without openness(as in undecided), there could not be relationship(comunication for example). So, when God did plan to creat you or me, there was an open time for God not to know what HE will do, or even man, for that matter. I still don't think omniscient foreknowlege hinders choice. It is as if we are in control of our choices and He knows what we will choose & do. I don't believe in imperical omniscience, but I do believe in omniscient foreknowlege. I don't see any problem with God foreknowing each and every man so very well, that HE knows the decisions that we will make, just as I may know the choices my wife makes. This includes God's perfect wisdom. This widome is able to play cenario's of a life to the end based on perfect foreknowledge. God may steere and lure a man toward HIS intended purpose. However, in Pharaoh's example, God wanted him to free HIS slaves but Pharaoh didn't. God used what Pharaoh gave HIM(disobedience).
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