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Post by Jesse Morrell on Sept 7, 2008 0:59:44 GMT -5
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Post by dale on Sept 7, 2008 16:04:49 GMT -5
Jesus is upset with you because he wanted you to follow my suggestions and select one of my choices as a means of winning me over to him. You will be sorry you did not select one of my titles. I also weep due to the rejection. The tears stain my face and blind my eyes as I type this.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Sept 7, 2008 17:00:40 GMT -5
So, you guys couldn't answer that Calvinist pastor and you pulled the plug on the audio? ;D
I'm joking..
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Post by Josh Parsley on Sept 7, 2008 17:07:17 GMT -5
I actually agree with some of what John Calvin says about Isaiah 63:17. And indeed when they trace their sins to the wrath of God, they do not intend to free themselves from blame, or to set aside their guilt. But the Prophet employs a mode of expression which is of frequent occurrence; for in the Scriptures it is frequently said that God drives men into error, (2Th_2:11;) “gives them up to a reprobate mind,” (Rom_1:28;) and “hardens them.” (Rom_9:18.) When believers speak in this manner, they do not intend to make God the author of error or of sin, as if they were innocent, or to free themselves from blame; but they look higher, and rather acknowledge that it is by their own fault that they are estranged from God and deprived of his Spirit, and that this is the reason why they are plunged into every kind of evils. and Thus believers here acknowledge that God has forsaken them, but that it is by their own fault;183 and they acknowledge God’s righteous vengeance against them. In like manner, when Moses says that “God hath not hitherto given to the people eyes to see and a heart to understand,” (Deu_29:4,) he does not lay the blame on God, but reminds the Jews whence they should seek to obtain a remedy for that stupidity of which they had been convicted. Yet it may appear as if here they aimed at something else, by inquiring into the cause and remonstrating with God, that he ought to have acted differently towards them and treated them less harshly. But I reply, that believers always look at the goodness of God, even when they acknowledge that they suffer justly on account of their sins.
From Calvin's Commentaries on the said verse.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Sept 7, 2008 17:18:17 GMT -5
Yea I don't know what happened. I got cut off right when Dustin finished the question. I was looking at the context of the verse and it seems to be talking about the destruction of the sanctuary (vs 18). In other words, God raised up their enemies and destroyed their sanctuary, and in this way did God remove His ways from them.
Remember also Isaiah 66:3 which says "they have chosen their own ways".
And don't forget Isaiah 4:4 where God says He could not do anything more to His vineyard, that when He looked for grapes, they brought forth wild grapes instead.
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Post by John McGlone on Sept 7, 2008 22:25:56 GMT -5
We were trying to figure out what happened also as our discussion continued with Pastor Dustin. We thought Jesse got cut off but actually the mp3 you can hear Jesse saying I got cut off and his dog Kaylee barking in the background. Also, we think we have the interference problem cleared up so next week should have nicer fidelity.
Thanks for the tip on Calvin's commentary, do you have a ch/page #'s? Really interesting his thoughts here. I am sure Dustin is not aware of this.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Sept 8, 2008 12:22:15 GMT -5
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Post by dale on Sept 9, 2008 16:01:11 GMT -5
Jesus is punishing you and that is why uopi could nto answer the Calvanist's question, because Jesus wanted you to select one of the names I picked out for your show and is gravely disappointed with the title of Refining Fire .
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Post by John McGlone on Sept 9, 2008 22:21:17 GMT -5
Thanks Josh! Dale, stop teasing us your being mean, play nice and go to the corner and
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Post by dale on Sept 10, 2008 9:48:24 GMT -5
You think this is bad, wait until I call in sometime without warning.
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Post by John McGlone on Sept 10, 2008 11:32:05 GMT -5
You are welcome to call.
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Post by dale on Sept 11, 2008 8:52:35 GMT -5
Hey and also, don't blame me because you chose to disobey Jesus and not name it one of the selections I offered, which He also wanted you to use!!!!!!!!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Sept 14, 2008 16:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Sept 14, 2008 17:21:07 GMT -5
We just finished our second "Refining Fire Radio" where we effectively refuted total depravity, original sin, sinful nature, etc, and promoted the Biblical doctrine of free will. You can listen to that radio show here: www.blogtalkradio.com/RefiningFireRadioYou can either listen online or download it. It is the show that was recorded on the 14th.
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Post by kureji on Sept 14, 2008 20:41:55 GMT -5
thank god you guys actually improved the quality of your mics, sounds like john has one of those studio quality mics though, had to turn down the bass for him ha.
Maybe if I actually catch this show live and it's something I have a comment on, I might call in.
Also, see you tomorrow Jesse.
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Post by John McGlone on Sept 15, 2008 5:53:23 GMT -5
We hope you will call in, we really like to talk with sinners.
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Post by Kerrigan on Sept 15, 2008 7:52:01 GMT -5
I think that the show went great as well. Maybe people were too scared to call in.... ;D
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