dtrl
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Post by dtrl on Oct 6, 2008 12:13:45 GMT -5
Hey guys I have been away for a while its nice to come back and see you all here still I was wondering how you guys would respond to this question and some examples of the sort of excuses/reasons you have heard concerning the particular view that Jesus is just one of many ways to heaven. Thanks www.martyro.blogspot.com
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Post by evilart on Oct 6, 2008 20:23:33 GMT -5
They can say Jesus is the only way to heaven because it is a myth and when you spread a lie you can say whatever you want and claim this true.
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 22, 2008 22:31:23 GMT -5
Jesus, stated He was. John 14:6
But, they won't accept that of course. So you must get to the foundation of their unbelief toward God.
God is the source of all knowledge, in Jesus is the treasure of all wisdom. Col 2
Without God, there is no reason, logic, emotion, justice, mercy, purpose, etc. So how should we go about showing them the delusion they are living under?
Pre suppositional apologetics is a great tool to help in this area. I am still reading a book called, "Always Ready" . A compilation of Dr. Greg Bahnsen's work. I encourage you to check it out.
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edwardchow650
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Exodus 15:2 "I am the LORD, your healer."
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Post by edwardchow650 on Nov 13, 2008 16:27:27 GMT -5
If you don't like the book, you're not going to like the movie.
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Post by emmanuel on Nov 30, 2008 18:23:10 GMT -5
Well should not the first question should be before Jesus is ....how do we know there is a heaven to go to?
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Post by benjoseph on Nov 30, 2008 19:04:07 GMT -5
good point emmanuel everyone who doubts God does so at their own expense it is impossible to try and use reason against the author of reason with out hurting yourself
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Post by emmanuel on Dec 1, 2008 22:47:04 GMT -5
Actually benjoseph I enjoy all your feed back to me here as well as other sites. You are a treasure that helps me put some serious thoughts out. But doubting is not part of the thinking of people in the world that just don't believe, because to them there is no proof. So doubting doesn't really exist in the mind of people that don't believe. That is what hurts them.
But , some one who isn't happy about the rules of salvation as set forth in the New Testament will begin to doubt Jesus is the only way to heaven as a way to back out of it, and join the world again, and find their ways into heaven which really doesn't exist .
But what proof is there of heaven? Jesus. Jesus is proof of Heaven because He spoke so precise of how it was structured because He seen how it will be for those who get there..and what they will have when they are finally there. He came from there and created it for those that are to be with him. So Heaven as described by Jesus is not based on His imagination.
For instance; I could only imagine how it would be to live on the planet Mars. What ever I have to say about living on Mars would not be based on personal experience because I (or no one else) has lived there to tell us exactly how it it.
I only could show data that was collected over the years and just guess how it must be. But I can see the planet in space.
Jesus gives us the data about Heaven...and even though we never lived there as of yet, His descriptions of Heaven are so good that we can almost see it in our imaginations. This is one way of proving Heaven that is a reasonable. And because Jesus account of Heaven crosses every " t " and dots every " i " that's gives a lot of bearing on proof for Jesus being the genuine article of God. GBU benjoseph...
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Post by benjoseph on Dec 2, 2008 1:44:43 GMT -5
"How can you say Jesus is the only way to heaven?"
People who grow up with cartoons and tv might have a picture of heaven that is totally ridiculous and boring. Sitting on a cloud with a halo and wings...Wouldn't earth itself be more interesting than that?
The Lord Jesus IS heaven. He said "this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." He also said "No one comes to the Father except through Me." Also, In the book of Psalms it says "Whom have I in Heaven? And I have no desire on earth besides You."
Could someone arrive at eternity with God without heading straight for Him? No. If you don't head in the right direction you won't end up in the right place. If you're not aiming for Jesus Christ you won't reach Him. If you don't end up where Jesus is, you won't be in heaven. There IS no heaven without the Lord Jesus.
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