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Post by debonnaire on Oct 28, 2008 6:36:07 GMT -5
Since a few days already , I don't see any of the non believers around , except Kureji ...
What have they become ?
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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Oct 28, 2008 10:12:26 GMT -5
I'm still around... I just haven't seen any good opportunities for theological rants lately.
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Post by debonnaire on Oct 28, 2008 13:34:54 GMT -5
glad you are around gooddoctorwho
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Post by fs on Oct 28, 2008 15:59:56 GMT -5
I am curuious also what has happened and secretly wonder if the moderators tried to pull some kind of mass purdge . If so I do not thionk this Christlike as it will just jade these people mroe to the love of Christ. While I came here to share ideas and prayers on street oreaching , i alsoc ame to deliberately pray for, loce and openly discuss my beliefs with the nonbelievers. It seems real suspicious a load of them have been disignated as guest status. What has happened here? An explanation is owed.
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Post by debonnaire on Oct 30, 2008 4:43:31 GMT -5
Okay, now I know [from a sure source] that some of the unbelievers have been banned [although not all].
...even one who was raising funds to help one of the Street preachers here.
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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Oct 30, 2008 15:18:27 GMT -5
I don't even know what to say about that... that's just wrong.
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Post by fs on Oct 30, 2008 15:36:41 GMT -5
I think we should lobby if this is true to allow them back if they will even bother to come back at all, as we have a responsibility to pray for, confront and challenge them with love. If this is true than it was a dumb move that will only hand them added ammo. I see nothing terribly bad or obscene with these posts as compared to what I have heard shouted in my face when witnessing. If nothing else, compromise and restirct them to just the nonbeliever page and the random psot page, but if what you say is true it is plain wrong and does nothing to provide a witness for Christ to the list . It also makes THEM look like winners as they can say "Hey, we were too much for them to handle."
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Post by fs on Oct 30, 2008 15:44:07 GMT -5
THis is again, not the way to do things . Also, nonchristians, there are many ways around a ban and if you read this message and log back on I am eafer to discuss Christ with you. Do not let the actions fo a few jade you to all Christians..
Debionairre, how do you know this?
And a nonbeliever was funding a street preacher? This makes even less sense.
Stranger things have happened I suppose.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Oct 30, 2008 18:56:35 GMT -5
There have been people banned from the board (saved and unsaved alike) who were not abiding by the guidelines for the forum. Useless insulting and ranting with no wish to actually discuss things or being unreasonable within a debate or discussion. It's been publicly mentioned that aANYone who wishes to take part in this forum needs to refrain from useless ranting and insulting - and those who were banned have been publicly invited back so long as they abide by those guidelines.
It's not like people have been forever banished to outer darkness without a second thought. And honestly, since then the discussions on this board on all fronts have been extremely fruitful and beneficial.
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Post by fs on Oct 30, 2008 19:39:08 GMT -5
That is your opinion and you are welcome to it , but I for one would long for the chance to try my hand with the worst of these people. Give them to me and let me gave a crack at them. I have through the guidance if Hesys been able to help other people thought unconvincable.
Also, my brother and I mean this with the utmost love in Christ, you seem to be relishing these people being gone. You have an attitude that I somehow see as defeatist, as if saying Good riddance to them. Have you no concern for their souls. Do you not weep for the lost? The discussions on this board have been extremely fruitful and beneficial without these people? So we should just shrug them off and allow them to wallow in sin?Again, forgive me if you take it the wrong way, but this sounds extremely self-serving.
You also seem to be outnumbered as it seems a good number of people want the nonchristians back IF the fact the bulk of them would even come back. With a post such as the above, I doubt they would. You seem happy to have them gone so you all can preach to the choir rather than to those who need to hear it the most.
Rather than just gaving "extremely fruitful discussions" among yourselves, you have clearly let these people get the betetr of you. They are probably laughing at this right now and moving onwatd. Onward to what? d**nation? No laughing matter. Instead of having fruitful discussions and debates on theological issues, which is fine as a secondary thing,. we need to be reaching out to the worst,. the most obnoxious and the most arrogant of the lost and critical out there. You tried. I saw some of your posts to them. But what about the idea of going that extra mile? It does not sound like you have done so. This you are accountable only to yourself for and I do not want this to sound as condemning as it may sounds, but uplifting. Greater is he that is in me (us) than he that is in the world. The nonveliever section could be a powerful tool if used properly. Perhaps it has not been. We are the ones looking a little worse for this. They are supposed to behave like that for lack of a better word. We are supposed to be light to them. What did you expect. You tell one of them "repent" and right away, he or she is goign to say "You bet?" I think not , unless you are very, very lucky.
Let them come back and give me their worst. I will still live them in Christ as we all should , pray for them and challenge them. Maybe you are afriad to take them on, but I am not. If you do not want to deal with them fine. Let me have them.
In Christ,
Kay Fabian S..
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Oct 30, 2008 21:20:36 GMT -5
Kay,
I think either I may not have been clear enough in my comment, or you may be reading a bit too much into it...
Indeed I do weep for the lost. The fact that the unbelievers here are separated from us by miles, maybe even thousands of miles, does not change the fact that God is grieved and in turn we must be as well.
I took no part in the decision on who to ban, and I am sad that they are not here, but more sad that they could not simply abide by some general rules of conduct.
Again, it wasn't droves and droves of folks who were banned from the boards because of some tyrannical power trip, or even frustration. But for the sake of order. And it's not like there was no patience or warning. The fact remains, saved or unsaved, there are some guidelines for this forum - like many of the other plethora of boards on the internet. And if someone doesn't like them, they can feel free not to discuss.
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Post by debonnaire on Oct 31, 2008 3:40:41 GMT -5
... Jeffrey speaks wisdom… Debionairre, how do you know this? And a nonbeliever was funding a street preacher? This makes even less sense. Stranger things have happened I suppose. Yeah, we don’t always know why people do what they do, either good or evil. I guess this unbeliever is not the enemy of Christians , at least not of all. I won’t say how I am aware of that, and i won't say who is this guy for I won’t reveal publicly more of what good another guy had undertaken in the secret.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Oct 31, 2008 6:54:59 GMT -5
FS I believe it is bad judgment on your part to accuse board memebers of doing wrong when you have only been part of this forum in such a short time. Even THE LORD will not strive with flesh forever. These nonbelievers have been on this forum for a long time, being aloud to make very rude comments concerning JESUS, GOD, Scripture, Christians etc... The board members have been very longsuffering with them. I believe it to be more harmful towards THEY the UNBELIEVER being allowed to keep doing as they were doing. Sometimes you have to SHAKE THE DUST off your feet and move on and ALLOW GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT to do HIS PART.
I believe it is very dangerous for you to assume that YOU may have the ability to convince those who are unconvincable. This is the WORK OF ONE. And it is as though you have made the assumption that no one else here on this board has done that which GOD has led them to do, and that is LOVE these unbelievers in being a WITNESS TO THEM UNTO BELIEVING THE TRUTH. I have been on this forum for almost 2 years now and I have witness these men WITNESS with much vigar towards these same unbelievers to see repentance take place. Along with me also.
So please before bringing accusation after accusation, do much reading on these threads and see for yourself that this was not somthing that just happened without prayer or thought behind it.
Thank you for your ear.
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Post by fs on Oct 31, 2008 9:27:15 GMT -5
So who is bringing accisation against accusation against the people on this board? It sounds like a couple unfair accusations are leveled against me right here.I did take a long look around and have literally cried over these people. Shaking the dust off your feet is NOT an acceptable approach. I would not have been saved had people shaken the dust off their feet in dealing with me and I say that with dead certainty. I of course cannot see the whole pciture as being newer on this baord, but from what I have seen and yes I DID go through the many threads which is exactly why I am so grieved, I see this as a bad call. I still welcome the chance to confront any of the nonbelievers in love. On the threads did anyone ever even bother to confront them with a simple question.WHY do you make these posts? WHY do you disagree so strongly? WHY do you reject the Lord? What made you make such a silyl post when you know it is silly? WHY are you really coming back to this board so often if you progess to hate what Christ stands for? I may have missed it, but I did not see these questions asked. In fact I flinched in a few threads and when I have the time, if need be, follwing a weekend of Halloween witnessing , I can show you, where a few of the nonchristians actually tried to answer these questions without being asked and the general response was, in slightly less offensive terms, "Shut up with this. I do not care what you think. No nonbeliever is going to tell me how to preach." It has been more effective to let them answer themselves and their own absurdities I think. Try www.wayofthemaster.com which to me is a masterful, though not the only, effective witnessing program to try. And where did I say I believe no one on this board has done what God has led them to do. You put words in my mouth that do not belong there. We all have different spiritual gifts. There are some people out there I can reach through Christ that someone else could not and this has absolutely nothing to do with any assertion someone else may be a lesser Christian than me, as that would be ridiculous and dangerous, as well as not wise assumpyion to make. I have said I have a tarck record through Christ who does all the work and without him I am nothing, where I can reach through to the lost and the most intolerable as I relate to them, because that is what happened with me. Pray for me as I witness this weekend.
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Post by uhatejesse on Oct 31, 2008 11:53:06 GMT -5
KNow your facts, jerks.
1. To my knowledge none of the people who foudn themselves unexpectedly banned received ANY warnign abotu posys or violation of rules as far as I know or the others I am inc otnact with.
2. None of our supposedly offensive and rule violating posts were ever deleted
3. Thsi was a mass purge and it was indeed dumped on us out of the blue in a cowardly mass email. Even more hypocritical si the fact some of the even more offensive and insulting members are still on this board, such a sMorluna for example and some others.
4 I am going to do the exact same thing and dust my feet off of all of you, for now, as I never truly hated you people until this moment. May your God help you if you ever set foot on my camous and preach again. I will be ready and arrange the biggest counter protest ever.
And some of you others show your true colors thinking I would not be able to relog on and see it.
I am glad you believe in a nonexistant god as you are the ones who will have wasted your lives in the end.
KLnow your facts before shooting off your mouths, you bible-thumping morons. No wait, looking at facts never crossed your minds before, so why now!
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Post by fs on Oct 31, 2008 12:47:57 GMT -5
Really? You must be Evil Art stopping in to say hello, since you seem to like hit and run attacks I see you found a way around the ban then.
I am praying for you.
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Post by valentine on Oct 31, 2008 13:57:14 GMT -5
For someone who so wants to argue with the heathens, FS, you sure aren't putting forth much effort.
Fine. I'm in an antagonistic mood. Try me. I dare you. ;D
ETA: I'll kick things off
I don't profess to hate anything Jesus stands for, and I'm not here to "reject the lord." You guys just amuse me. Also, and this is the part where you'd know what was going on if you'd been here longer, some of the fundies are kind of my friends in a very strange, antagonistic way. We like to poke fun at each other. At least, I do.
But my original reason for coming here was because you guys attacked my school unprovoked and insulted my friends. You don't get to walk around spreading the kind of nonsense that you spread and expect no retaliation. Someone had to set y'all straight. I stayed because y'all were just too much fun.
Also, my posts aren't "silly." I'm right, and they're wrong, but as a fundie I wouldn't expect you to understand that .
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Post by debonnaire on Oct 31, 2008 15:22:10 GMT -5
I have been banned once , from a Christian forum , and without any warning either, it was a mass purge , all those who were not for Todd Bentley and Rick Joyner and the other Mollahs of the great charismatic circus were banned in a day. I did not regret anything for it wasn't a very edifying forum , like OPA can be...
It would have been fair and clever indeed, that before being banned from OPA, people would have received 'official' warning(s) before, as it should be practised on a good forum.
Maybe next time Jesse ?
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Post by bullhornbob on Oct 31, 2008 22:34:50 GMT -5
May your God help you if you ever set foot on my camous and preach again. I will be ready and arrange the biggest counter protest ever. Which campus would that be?
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Post by fs on Nov 1, 2008 6:56:22 GMT -5
1. I guess if he does not do another hit and run post, our potential brother for the future will let you all know what campus he speaks of when and if a big counter protest happens.
2. Valentine, you might want to move the conversation to the talk to me blog in the other section rather than here. I would be glad to address issues with you, but let me start by saying I never intended to confront anyone in the context you seem to use it. Second, you cannot fairly judge Christianity by a few examples . You mention attacks by street preachers as what set you off and brought you here? OKay. Let's look at this. Different people use different styles for witnessing and preaching and since we all cannot like or be interested in the same things as we are all different, what works for one person may not work for you. While you may have been turned off by what seems to be condemning words from a street preacher, thsoe same words may well be what someone else in the audience needed to hear. Being guided by the Holy Spirit, if that person WAS indeed guided by the same as not everyone who says he is a Christian is one, (There will be surprises in heaven where some of the hypocrites come before Jesus and will hear him say I NEVER knew you.) is something in turn, with respect due, you would not understand and I do not wish you to think I am speaking down to you. There are some thing you have to experience as a direct participant rather than being from the outside looking in. For example, I could nto fulyl udnerstand what it is like earning a degree in your field as I did not do so. I have an idea, but that idea of how it works or what it would be like is not the same as experiencing it. The interesting thing is regardless of how or why, you DID come here, are NOT among the evident banned and are communicating with Christians of all types here.
You also use the phrase "I'm right and THEY"RE wrong." So you choose not to throw me in with "THEM"
Interesting.
Let me make this brief as I do gave a lot to do today and just stopped by the board for a praise report (hopeful) and saw your note.
Can YOU prove that THEY are wrong? Am I wrong? Is what I believe a lie?
One problem is you obviously do not believe in the Bible, which is the rule and guide of our faith, so I could quote scriptures to you til I am blue in the face and you will not believe them. So let's step away from the Bible for a moment, play on your ground, and look at a few other things . The Roman historian Josephus is regarded as a very real and very respected historian and he is NOT part of the Bible, yet he gives an account of the resurrection of Jesus. This is from, how would you say, an unbiased reporter. Find his writings in any book store or library. Take a look at him for a change in pace.
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