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Post by fs on Dec 14, 2008 9:21:49 GMT -5
The arrogance or presumed arrogance shown by some of the street preachers on this board is something I do not agree with. I can see why some of you like to antagonize them and dislike their messages, but I perceive it is the style of delivery and not the message itself.
Do not ignore or discard the Word because of a messenger or perceievrd messenger. Not everyone who cries Lord , Lord is of God.
Anyone can say he or she is a Christian and that does not make ti so. More damage has been caused I think by "Christians" than atheists, scoffers or agnostics when it comes to the Word. There are false teachjers out there everyplace and false Christians . You find them in church, in pulpits and on some street corners.
Instead of concern over who delivers or supposedly delivers a message from God, why not investigate it yourself? Read the Bible. Take time to see what the Word says and let it speak to you personally. Explore the possibilities. Jesus Christ si the redeemer. Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the light. Let the Bible speak top you. How could anyone not say, in the most basic way, the world would not be better off if everyone simply followed the teachinsg fo Jesus? Ignroe the arguments on this baord and elsewhere. Go to the source. The Bible has the answers. Read it for yourself and let it speak to you. The answers are there.
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Post by debonnaire on Dec 15, 2008 4:44:29 GMT -5
Instead of concern over who delivers or supposedly delivers a message from God, why not investigate it yourself? Read the Bible. Take time to see what the Word says and let it speak to you personally. Explore the possibilities. Jesus Christ si the redeemer. Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the light. Let the Bible speak top you…. Go to the source. The Bible has the answers. Read it for yourself and let it speak to you. The answers are there. This is quite good. What is recorded in the Gospels is sufficient for a start to convince that Jesus is the Son of God , and that man can have Life and forgiveness of sins in Him.
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Post by fs on Dec 16, 2008 9:36:31 GMT -5
Yet sadly once again the nonchristians here have ignored my posts and have not chosen to follow my note or are simply waiting for some wisecrack to say to me. I am trying to love these people and help them find Jesus as the only truth and light, yet they continue to refuse.
Are the unsaved this unreasnable in France? My fellow Americans are truly not making this one bation under God.
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Post by debonnaire on Dec 16, 2008 13:53:51 GMT -5
there is no need for one nation to be one nation under God. It is and would be an utopia, impossible to reach without compromising the message of Jesus and misrepresenting Him. . Jesus says to his disciples to make disciples out of all nations, not to make the nations 'Christian' nations. If a nation takes some benefit of the fact that many people have been changed by the good News, that's good of course, but that's not the goal. The only one 'nation' under God is made of all those who obey Jesus and follow His commandments , independently of the country they live There are more unbelievers in France than in USA, but that is because the labourers is in smaller number here comparatively.
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Post by tbxi on Dec 16, 2008 15:48:23 GMT -5
1 Corinthians 1:
18For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written,
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart."
26For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. 30And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord."
1 Corinthians 2:
6Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9But, as it is written,
"What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"— 10these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
14The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
The point of all this is: the reason unbelievers, not only here but in general, continue to reject the message (assuming they are actually hearing the biblical message, which I don't think often happens here) is that, as these verses say, they are perishing. The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing. 1 Cor. 2 sheds more light on this - it's been decreed before the ages that the "secret and hidden wisdom of God" will be imparted to us, that is, to believers, to the elect. The rulers of the world do not, and did not understand this wisdom, for if they had, they would not have crucified Jesus. But the crucifixion of Jesus was also predestined, and occurred because of the sovereign determination of God (Acts 2:22-23, Acts 4:27-28). Therefore, the actions of these rulers were just as certain...
Paul also says that no one comprehends the thoughts of God except for the Spirit of God, but that believers have received this Spirit, so that we can understand what God freely reveals to us. Why do unbelievers not understand the thoughts of God? Why do they not see their extreme wickedness and great need for a Savior, and look to Him? Because they have not received the Spirit of God. And God freely bestows this gift - He gives it to whom He wills.
Because of all this, we do not need to panic because of unbelief, or worry about it, or worry that unbelievers will not accept Jesus. This doesn't at all minimize our responsibility to preach the gospel to them, but they simply don't want to, and they aren't going to unless God graciously grants them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth (2 Tim 2:25, Phillipians 1:29). And of course, in all this they are still accountable for their sin. Knowing this should make us tremble, and thank God for saving us who were so deserving of His wrath, and whom God could have just as easily NOT saved... and it should make the unbelievers tremble with fear and plead for mercy, knowing that they are "sinners in the hand of an angry God", merely dangling over the fire, and only still breathing and not already there because of His sustenance.
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Post by fs on Dec 16, 2008 15:59:55 GMT -5
The Sinners In the Hands of An Angry God quote is from a sermon available in many places under that title as a sermon by Edwards that caused many to repent. He literally scared the hell out of people.
Some of the scoffers should take note and see hwo God reacts to those who scorn his plan for salvation.
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Post by Severian on Dec 17, 2008 8:15:40 GMT -5
What about those of us who've read it, several times?
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Post by fs on Jan 18, 2009 14:03:03 GMT -5
It evidently did to speak to your heart. Judgment awaits those who do not repent, but the thing is people heard his message and did repent. The horrors spoken of in this great sermon are avoidable.
I come to you not as a holier than thou preacher but someone humbled by some recent events and made to realize who I am and how little I am without Christ.
Look up, friend. Look to God. Seek ye the Lord while he may be found. Seek ye the Lord.
I mean this as a sinner saved by the grace of God who deserves hell a much as anyone.
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