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Post by benjoseph on Dec 20, 2008 20:08:03 GMT -5
Wis 1:12 Seek not death in the error of your life: and pull not upon yourselves destruction with the works of your hands. Wis 1:13 For God made not death: neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living. Wis 1:14 For he created all things, that they might have their being: and the generations of the world were healthful; and there is no poison of destruction in them, nor the kingdom of death upon the earth: Wis 1:15 (For righteousness is immortal) Wis 1:16 But ungodly men with their works and words called it to them[selves]: for when they thought to have it their friend, they consumed to nought, and made a covenant with it, because they are worthy to take part with it.
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Post by tbxi on Dec 21, 2008 1:00:57 GMT -5
Haha, why are you posting this? I'm seriously wondering if you think it is just an interesting side note or if you think it is authoritative.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 22, 2008 15:38:11 GMT -5
Wis 1:12 Seek not death in the error of your life: and pull not upon yourselves destruction with the works of your hands. Wis 1:13 For God made not death: neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living. Wis 1:14 For he created all things, that they might have their being: and the generations of the world were healthful; and there is no poison of destruction in them, nor the kingdom of death upon the earth: Wis 1:15 (For righteousness is immortal) Wis 1:16 But ungodly men with their works and words called it to them[selves]: for when they thought to have it their friend, they consumed to nought, and made a covenant with it, because they are worthy to take part with it. Luther removed these Books from his Bible, and by what authority? He removed Books from the Bible that Jesus Christ used. Stupid man.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 22, 2008 18:13:08 GMT -5
I don't think we need to get personal!
It is however true that the Aprocyrpha was in the original released 1611 King James Bible.
I have been reading through it and find it interesting. I can see why the Christian Church might have not wanted it around, it is very Jewish. I say that in a good way! It is where we get the story of Channakah, which started last night at sundown. One of the teachings was very interesting at the service we attended. The Rabbi indicated that without the Macabees, all of the Scriptures and people looking for the Messiah, could have been wiped out. The same is true about Purim (read Esther in your OT, and in the Ap.).
I believe the church has lost a book which provides quite alot of important documentation, especial as it relates to who the Antichrist will be, and what exactly the abomination of desolation will look like. Macabees refers to Antiochus killing of a pig in the temple as "the abomination of desolation". Antiochus appears as form of Antichrist; making it illegal to keep sabbath, outlawing the Torah, killing babies and parents of babies that were circumcised, and forcing people to eat unclean food or be killed. These all appear a ploy to kill all Jews. Without Jews, who can look upon the One they pierced?
If that couldn't occur, how could Jesus come back?
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Post by benjoseph on Dec 22, 2008 18:18:08 GMT -5
Should you call anyone a stupid man? Do you know how his heart was before God when he died? I think he wrote a lot of stupid things but isn't that different than calling him a stupid man?
I wasn't making any comment on the church of Ratzinger by posting this.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 22, 2008 18:29:59 GMT -5
Luther, the unhappy monk, devised a barbarian creed - salvation by faith alone. Luther, known to have bouts with the devil as they hurled insults and feces at one another, and engage in battle by fart, would be set free from his own sinfulness by faith alone, while being relieved of a bout of constipation. “Knowledge the Holy Spirit gave me on the privy, in the tower”, Luther would say. His theology was morally deficient of any intelligence or forethought.
The dump that Luther took on the theological landscape is of no ‘value’ to the Church. This would be Luther’s throne, the toilet. He should have wiped his mouth before he flushed.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 22, 2008 18:47:01 GMT -5
I agree Luther was not correct with faith alone, James already stated that in the Book of James. Luther was also antisemetic.
But Luther doesn't represent all Christians, either.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 22, 2008 18:53:58 GMT -5
I agree Luther was not correct with faith alone, James already stated that in the Book of James. Luther was also antisemetic. But Luther doesn't represent all Christians, either.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 22, 2008 19:21:10 GMT -5
I folow the Church of Jerusalem, the original beliefs and practices that Jesus and the Apostles shared. Paul in Acts 20 told us that the apostacy would start as soon as he was cut-off. So unless we restore the church to the ways and beliefs prior to Acts 20, it will have error.
They kept the sabbath, held to the new moons, kept the Biblical feasts from Lev. 23, and taught Torah every week (Acts 15:21) in all the churches, which should imply they were to also add what they learned into their lives.
The Catholic and Protestant Churches are apostate, and the reformation never was what it should have been a "restoration".
1 John 3:4 if read and understood in Greek and context says "sin is Torahlessness".
Solution:
Ask God to forgive us by His grace (by the grounds of Jesus' blood), and then repent: turn from sin, which is not following God's instructions, and start following them.
We will not be perfect, but as we genuinely desire to obey His ways, He will direct our paths, as we study His Torah weekly (Acts 15:21) and obey what we learn as we are sanctified to walk just as Jesus walked.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 22, 2008 19:27:11 GMT -5
I folow the Church of Jerusalem, the original beliefs and practices that Jesus and the Apostles shared. Paul in Acts 20 told us that the apostacy would start as soon as he was cut-off. So unless we restore the church to the ways and beliefs prior to Acts 20, it will have error. They kept the sabbath, held to the new moons, kept the Biblical feasts from Lev. 23, and taught Torah every week (Acts 15:21) in all the churches, which should imply they were to also add what they learned into their lives. The Catholic and Protestant Churches are apostate, and the reformation never was what it should have been a "restoration". 1 John 3:4 if read and understood in Greek and context says "sin is Torahlessness". Solution: Ask God to forgive us by His grace (by the grounds of Jesus' blood), and then repent: turn from sin, which is not following God's instructions, and start following them. We will not be perfect, but as we genuinely desire to obey His ways, He will direct our paths, as we study His Torah weekly (Acts 15:21) and obey what we learn as we are sanctified to walk just as Jesus walked.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 22, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
There was only one church, the followers of the God of Abraham, Iasac, and Jacob. These were of the good seed. There was one Temple in Jerusalem, One God, One Lord, One Baptism. Anyone not associated with the Temple in Jerusalem was considered a Gentile, pagan.
Paul tells us in Eph. 2 :11 -12 that we, if believers, are no longer Gentile, but part of the commonwealth of Israel, grafted in, fellowheirs.
These were whom the Lord Jesus came for. If you are His bride, you have accepted being married to Him. You become one with Him, as a women and man become one flesh. Eternal life Himself is in you. You become part of Israel as He is from the tribe of Judah, now you are as well, and can enter into the Temple forever through the gate of Judah. You are brought near to God and His covenant promises.
This is the mystery of the Gospel. Gentiles can become part of the commonwealth of Israel, not be entering into rituals of men, but through marrying Jesus Christ our Bridegroom.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 22, 2008 19:53:44 GMT -5
There was only one church, the followers of the God of Abraham, Iasac, and Jacob. These were of the good seed. There was one Temple in Jerusalem, One God, One Lord, One Baptism. Anyone not associated with the Temple in Jerusalem was considered a Gentile, pagan. Paul tells us in Eph. 2 :11 -12 that we, if believers, are no longer Gentile, but part of the commonwealth of Israel, grafted in, fellowheirs. These were whom the Lord Jesus came for. If you are His bride, you have accepted being married to Him. You become one with Him, as a women and man become one flesh. Eternal life Himself is in you. You become part of Israel as He is from the tribe of Judah, now you are as well, and can enter into the Temple forever through the gate of Judah. You are brought near to God and His covenant promises. This is the mystery of the Gospel. Gentiles can become part of the commonwealth of Israel, not be entering into rituals of men, but through marrying Jesus Christ our Bridegroom.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 22, 2008 20:22:01 GMT -5
There was no Catholic Church yet, only the Jewish Temple with Levites and a Sanhedrin until at least 70 AD.
Was the High Priest of the Temple the leader of the Catholic church?
The Catholic Church did not provide the Torah and Prophets, the Hebrews did. Also if the Catholic Church was headquartered in Rome, and they "gave us the Bible" why did they write the NT in Greek? Why not write it in Latin, rather tham translated it to Latin after initially writing it in Greek?
Did the Catholic Church also write the Old Testament in Hebrew, or do you believe Moses wrote it as God dictated as it says? Or maybe Moses was secretly a Catholic?
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 22, 2008 20:39:39 GMT -5
There was no Catholic Church yet, only the Jewish Temple with Levites and a Sanhedrin until at least 70 AD. Was the High Priest of the Temple the leader of the Catholic church? The Catholic Church did not provide the Torah and Prophets, the Hebrews did. Also if the Catholic Church was headquartered in Rome, and they "gave us the Bible" why did they write the NT in Greek? Why not write it in Latin, rather tham translated it to Latin after initially writing it in Greek? Did the Catholic Church also write the Old Testament in Hebrew, or do you believe Moses wrote it as God dictated as it says? Or maybe Moses was secretly a Catholic?
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 23, 2008 12:55:44 GMT -5
Funny thing was I was thinking the same about you also.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 23, 2008 15:50:01 GMT -5
Funny thing was I was thinking the same about you also.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 23, 2008 16:35:25 GMT -5
I have no "statement of faith" beyond the Holy Scriptures, written by God and not man.
Was Moses Catholic? Can you answer that?
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 23, 2008 16:58:12 GMT -5
I have no "statement of faith" beyond the Holy Scriptures, written by God and not man.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 23, 2008 17:07:34 GMT -5
I stand guilty of not changing my web site:
You are correct, it does say:
1. There is one infinite eternal God who exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who has manifested Himself to mankind, as is infallibly documented in the Bible.
2. The Old and New Testament constitute the written Word of God, fully inspired as originally given. Among the basic truths it affirms are:
3. Man was created in the image of God, but fell into sin through disobedience, thereby incurring physical and spiritual death; and the natural unregenerate man is now under the wrath of God.
4. Jesus Christ, co eternal and coequal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, lived a sinless life, was crucified, died, and was buried, and rose again from the grave on the third day, ascended back into heaven to sit at the right hand of God from whence he shall return to Earth.
5. Man is justified by grace through faith by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Savior, not from works of the law.
6. There remains final judgment, which will determine our eternal blessing or our eternal separation from God: a heaven to gain, and hell to shun.
7. All Christians are under obligation to seek the evangelism of the world, and to receive from God divine power for this task.
That being said, I am actually thank you you posted this so I would be remined to change that. The reason that "statement" is there was because I was umbrelled under a minister called "Wayside Harvesters". They asked that I use their statement, for consistency, and so I could remain "under" their 5013C, tax exemption. After being convicted that was a poor reason to stay associated with them, and because of other factors which I will not air here, I resigned from the Board of Directors, as President, from an active member, and have not worked at their outreaches since.
Once I can get access to my web site, which is on an older lap top, I will change it and re-post the Scriptures I replace it with.
But again I ask, and hope you will answer "Was Moses Catholic or an Israelite or both?
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 23, 2008 17:17:27 GMT -5
I stand guilty of not changing my web site: You are correct, it does say: 1. There is one infinite eternal God who exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who has manifested Himself to mankind, as is infallibly documented in the Bible. 2. The Old and New Testament constitute the written Word of God, fully inspired as originally given. Among the basic truths it affirms are: 3. Man was created in the image of God, but fell into sin through disobedience, thereby incurring physical and spiritual death; and the natural unregenerate man is now under the wrath of God. 4. Jesus Christ, co eternal and coequal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, lived a sinless life, was crucified, died, and was buried, and rose again from the grave on the third day, ascended back into heaven to sit at the right hand of God from whence he shall return to Earth. 5. Man is justified by grace through faith by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Savior, not from works of the law. 6. There remains final judgment, which will determine our eternal blessing or our eternal separation from God: a heaven to gain, and hell to shun. 7. All Christians are under obligation to seek the evangelism of the world, and to receive from God divine power for this task. That being said, I am actually thank you you posted this so I would be remined to change that. The reason that "statement" is there was because I was umbrelled under a minister called "Wayside Harvesters". They asked that I use their statement, for consistency, and so I could remain "under" their 5013C, tax exemption. After being convicted that was a poor reason to stay associated with them, and because of other factors which I will not air here, I resigned from the Board of Directors, as President, from an active member, and have not worked at their outreaches since. Once I can get access to my web site, which is on an older lap top, I will change it and re-post the Scriptures I replace it with. But again I ask, and hope you will answer "Was Moses Catholic or an Israelite or both?
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 23, 2008 17:20:08 GMT -5
Can you first answer my question? Was Moses catholic?
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 23, 2008 17:45:00 GMT -5
Can you first answer my question? Was Moses catholic? I've answered your question. Moses was a god - and Aron was 'his' prophet. Moses is an Old Testament type and figurement of Christ. Christ was the New Moses. He reinterpreted the Law for His followers. And He restored all things when Moses entered the pormised land. Can you tell me when?
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 23, 2008 17:55:16 GMT -5
There are 2 in Scripture only that are: King, Priest, ans Prophet. Only Moses and Jesus.
When Aaron and Mariam came against Moses, and God gave Mariam Leprosy, God at that time did speak to both of them, to tell them that Moses was different than any other prophet in that God spoke to Moses face to face. Mose wrote the torah, as God dictated it. Jesus, as a preincarnate Word of God gave Moses the Torah face to face. Jesus also met Abraham, as He later says that Abrham was glad to see His coming. The Pharisee's couldn't understand how Jesus could have met Abraham, seeing Abraham died before Jesus, in his human body, was born. They couldn't grasp He was eternal.
Moses's body was recovered when Satan tried to claim it, as he laid claim to others that fell in the wilderness. At the transfiguration, both Moses and Elijah were shown to John and Peter along with the transfigured Jesus. So, Moses never entered in his flesh, only in his Spirit.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 23, 2008 18:01:10 GMT -5
There are 2 in Scripture only that are: King, Priest, ans Prophet. Only Moses and Jesus. When Aaron and Mariam came against Moses, and God gave Mariam Leprosy, God at that time did speak to both of them, to tell them that Moses was different than any other prophet in that God spoke to Moses face to face. Mose wrote the torah, as God dictated it. Jesus, as a preincarnate Word of God gave Moses the Torah face to face. Jesus also met Abraham, as He later says that Abrham was glad to see His coming. The Pharisee's couldn't understand how Jesus could have met Abraham, seeing Abraham died before Jesus, in his human body, was born. They couldn't grasp He was eternal. Moses's body was recovered when Satan tried to claim it, as he laid claim to others that fell in the wilderness. At the transfiguration, both Moses and Elijah were shown to John and Peter along with the transfigured Jesus. So, Moses never entered in his flesh, only in his Spirit. Very good! I think you would come to appreciate the Communion of Saints as the Catholic Church teaches it, Jack.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 23, 2008 18:17:24 GMT -5
The communion of the Saints is found in the OT and in the practice of Judasim, before it ever came to Catholics. In Judaism, as Jesus would have practiced, they had the Kiddush. This was the blessing of the wine and bread.
The cup would be raised and the paryer would be: Blessed are You, O Lord our God, King of the Universem Who created the fruit of the vine. Then for the bread: Blessed are You, O Lord our God, King of the Universem Who brings forth bread from the earth.
Those who believed Jesus was Messiah added after the blessing for the wine - and has given us Jesus our Messiah, the True Vine. And to the blessing for Bread - even as He brought forth from the ground Jesus, the bread of life.
The word Saints, comes from the OT believers. The study of the Septuagent (Greek Bible can help us croos the bridge between Greek and Hebrew words). This is critical, vecause God's language is Hebrew, and will eventually bring that back as well.
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Post by rescuedbymary06 on Dec 23, 2008 19:23:57 GMT -5
The communion of the Saints is found in the OT and in the practice of Judasim, before it ever came to Catholics. In Judaism, as Jesus would have practiced, they had the Kiddush. This was the blessing of the wine and bread. The cup would be raised and the paryer would be: Blessed are You, O Lord our God, King of the Universem Who created the fruit of the vine. Then for the bread: Blessed are You, O Lord our God, King of the Universem Who brings forth bread from the earth. Those who believed Jesus was Messiah added after the blessing for the wine - and has given us Jesus our Messiah, the True Vine. And to the blessing for Bread - even as He brought forth from the ground Jesus, the bread of life. The word Saints, comes from the OT believers. The study of the Septuagent (Greek Bible can help us croos the bridge between Greek and Hebrew words). This is critical, vecause God's language is Hebrew, and will eventually bring that back as well. Jack, The communion of Saints is not the Eucharistic communion. It is something all together different. Do you know what it is?
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Post by debonnaire on Dec 24, 2008 7:15:58 GMT -5
Reading this thread , I feel like a fan of the Lakers watching a game between the Boston Celtics vs Maccabi Tel Aviv.
We know that Tel Aviv will win in the end.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 24, 2008 19:22:00 GMT -5
Wow, we have fans!
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