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Post by rebecca on Feb 19, 2009 15:44:49 GMT -5
The Lord was really speaking to my heart today at work and I felt led to share this.
The Lord was showing me today through alot of the persecution I have been going through that there it is the belief of some professing christians that it is ok to hate sometimes.
Yes, you heard me correctly.
Let me explain, this is what the Lord showed me.
We all have experienced times where we wrongfully have been angry with another brother or sister. That is not what I am talking about.
There are professing christians out there who believe that under certain circumstances sometimes that it is ok to hate or have unforgiveness.
The Lord gave me this passage of scripture:
Mark 8:31-34 31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.
This sounds so holy what Peter was doing at that time. Peter may have even had the right intention but we know what the end result would have been had Peter been successful with his plan.
My point there is that something can look SO HOLY but come straight out of the pit of hell.
There is what you could call a teaching, even though it is not something they proclaim to believe that advocates hate. They will as christians proclaim that we need to love God and one another first and foremost, they may profess to be hungry for revival, they may preach the gospel or even give their body to be burned but all the while believe that it's ok. to be hateful or to hate another brother or sister under certain circumstances.
Please be aware of this. As the scripture says:
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 Corinthians 13:3 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
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Post by burningnow on Feb 19, 2009 15:58:05 GMT -5
So you feel that hate is the best answer to those persecuting you constantly? Why not try to understand why you feel as if you're being persecuted? You imagine that a big sky entity made everything and told you to go force everyone to believe in him or else they will all burn. Keep your imagination to yourself kiddo.
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Post by rebecca on Feb 19, 2009 18:49:19 GMT -5
I finally figured out what kind of christian I am. I'm a Luke 10:27 christian.
Alot of American christians especially speak of loving God but neglect to love their brother/sister. You can't say you love God and hate your brother.
You can't have one without the other. So I hold to both...loving God and your brother/sister.
Others will continue on their way with hate in their hearts but I choose to love my brother/sister because I love God and God is love.
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Post by burningnow on Feb 19, 2009 19:33:57 GMT -5
Some love you have. Bash other Christians/non-believers yet still love God. You claim to love both God and your brother/sister yet you have no issue telling someone that their view on religion is going to land them in a lake of molten sulfur. Nice contradiction there.
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Post by rebecca on Feb 19, 2009 20:25:48 GMT -5
This is the new deceptive so called christian religion of the day--supposedly loving God but having hate/unforgiveness towards your brother/sister.
It's christianity disguised as an angel of light but it's straight from the pit of hell. 1 John says that you cannot love God and hate your brother but this kind of false christianity says you can. Also you cannot hate your brother and love God so they are neither loving God or their brother/sister.
If you haven't heard Carter Conlon's message "Beware of the Angry Watchman" on Youttube, I think what he is discribing is what I am seeing or something similar.
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Post by burningnow on Feb 20, 2009 11:26:02 GMT -5
Why must you make the difference between you and the others who don't follow your exact brand of Christianity? That's not showing love. You must be a false Christian like the rest that you vilify.
What made you feel as if being a mental case for God was a good thing? Did you have some abuse in the past? Did you get laughed at by Catholics or something? There must be a reason why you vilify others so easily.
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Post by fs on Feb 20, 2009 20:44:11 GMT -5
I thought you made a brilliant post and some people would do well to heed it, even on this board. This Burning Now doesn't count, Rebbecca as he would disagree with anything you say just to try to get a rise from you and was baiting you.
A big amen to your post
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Post by rebecca on Feb 21, 2009 20:49:30 GMT -5
I thought you made a brilliant post and some people would do well to heed it, even on this board. This Burning Now doesn't count, Rebbecca as he would disagree with anything you say just to try to get a rise from you and was baiting you. A big amen to your post I'm doing alot of studying now in 1 John. Here is some good commentary from the Geneva bible on one of the key verses in 1 John: 1 John 4:20 If a man say , I love God and hate his brother he is a liar: for how can he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen love God whom he hath not seen? Commentary: As he showed that the love of our neighbor cannot be seperate from the love wherewith God loveth us, because this last engendereth the other:so he denieth that the other kind of love wherewith we love God, can be seperate from the love of our neighbor: Whereof it followeth, that they lie impudently which say they worship God, and yet regard not their neighbor. Just a little history of the Geneva bible: (These notes, run to approximately 300,000 words, or one third the length of the text of the Bible itself! Written by Reformation leaders John Calvin, John Knox, Miles Coverdale, William Whittingham, Anthony Gilby, William Keithe, Thomas Sampson, Thomas Wood and several others. For nearly half a century these notes helped the people of England, Scotland, and Ireland understand the scriptures. The marginal notes were especially useful to the common people when Queen Elizabeth prohibited priests from addressing the congregations.) www.reformedreader.org/gbn/abh.htm
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Post by rebecca on Feb 23, 2009 13:39:45 GMT -5
Calvary Love by Amy Carmichael, taken from her book 'If'
If I belittle those whom I am called to serve, talk of their weak points in contrast perhaps with what I think of as my strong points; if I adopt a superior attitude, forgetting “Who made thee to differ? And what hast thou that thou hast not received?” then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I find myself taking lapses for granted, “Oh, that’s what they always do,” “Oh, of course she talks like that, he acts like that,” then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I can enjoy a joke at the expense of another; if I can in any way slight another in conversation, or even in thought, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I can write an unkind letter, speak an unkind word, think an unkind thought without grief and shame, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I do not feel far more for the grieved Savior than for my worried self when troublesome things occur, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I can rebuke without a pang, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If my attitude be one of fear, not faith, about one who has disappointed me; if I say, “Just what I expected” if a fall occurs, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I am afraid to speak the truth, lest I lose affection, or lest the one concerned should say, “You do not understand,” or because I fear to lose my reputation for kindness; if I put my own good name before the other’s highest good, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I am content to heal a hurt slightly, saying “Peace, peace,” where there is no peace; if I forget the poignant word “Let love be without dissimulation” and blunt the edge of truth, speaking not right things but smooth things, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I hold on to choices of any kind, just because they are my choice, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I am soft to myself and slide comfortably into self-pity and self-sympathy; If I do not by the grace of God practice fortitude, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I myself dominate myself, if my thoughts revolve round myself, if I am so occupied with myself I rarely have “a heart at leisure from itself,” then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If, the moment I am conscious of the shadow of self crossing my threshold, I do not shut the door, and keep that door shut, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I cannot in honest happiness take the second place (or the twentieth); if I cannot take the first without making a fuss about my unworthiness, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I take offense easily, if I am content to continue in a cool unfriendliness, though friendship be possible, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I feel injured when another lays to my charge things that I know not, forgetting that my sinless Savior trod this path to the end, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I feel bitter toward those who condemn me, as it seems to me, unjustly, forgetting that if they knew me as I know myself they would condemn me much more, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If souls can suffer alongside, and I hardly know it, because the spirit of discernment is not in me, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If the praise of others elates me and their blame depresses me; if I cannot rest under misunderstanding without defending myself; if I love to be loved more than to love, to be served more than to serve, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I crave hungrily to be used to show the way of liberty to a soul in bondage, instead of caring only that it be delivered; if I nurse my disappointment when I fail, instead of asking that to another the word of release may be given, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I do not forget about such a trifle as personal success, so that it never crosses my mind, or if it does, is never given room there; if the cup of flattery tastes sweet to me, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If in the fellowship of service I seek to attach a friend to myself, so that others are caused to feel unwanted; if my friendships do not draw others deeper in, but are ungenerous (to myself, for myself), then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I refuse to allow one who is dear to me to suffer for the sake of Christ, if I do not see such suffering as the greatest honor that can be offered to any follower of the Crucified, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I slip into the place that can be filled by Christ alone, making myself the first necessity to a soul instead of leading it to fasten upon Him, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If my interest in the work of others is cool; if I think in terms of my own special work; if the burdens of others are not my burdens too, and their joys mine, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I wonder why something trying is allowed, and press for prayer that it may be removed; if I cannot be trusted with any disappointment, and cannot go on in peace under any mystery, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If the ultimate, the hardest, cannot be asked of me; if my fellows hesitate to ask it and turn to someone else, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
If I covet any place on earth but the dust at the foot of the Cross, then I know nothing of Calvary love.
That which I know not, teach Thou me, O Lord, my God.
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Post by miche on Feb 25, 2009 21:18:34 GMT -5
Great posts you put up, Rebecca. Thanks.
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Post by fred on Mar 2, 2009 10:14:51 GMT -5
A wonderful article. Many street preachers dwell upon the judgment of God and get so caught up in this they overlook the way out through Christ entirely or tick off the listeners so badly by the time they should be speaking of how to repent and receive Christ, the audience is so turned off they will not listen and the preaching is defeating itself.
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Post by rebecca on Mar 3, 2009 8:04:50 GMT -5
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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Post by rebecca on Mar 3, 2009 12:05:38 GMT -5
1 John 3:11-13 11For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Bible
1 John 3:11-15 We should love the Lord Jesus, value his love, and therefore love all our brethren in Christ. This love is the special fruit of our faith, and a certain sign of our being born again. But none who rightly know the heart of man, can wonder at the contempt and enmity of ungodly people against the children of God. We know that we are passed from death to life: we may know it by the evidences of our faith in Christ, of which love to our brethren is one. It is not zeal for a party in the common religion, or affection for those who are of the same name and sentiments with ourselves. The life of grace in the heart of a regenerate person, is the beginning and first principle of a life of glory, whereof they must be destitute who hate their brother in their hearts.
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 4, 2009 11:31:06 GMT -5
"Christians will have their faith renewed. While they are in their backslidden state they are blind to the state of sinners. Their hearts are hard as marble.. The truths of the Bible appear like a dream. They admit it to be all true, their conscience and their judgment assent to it. But their faith does not see it standing out in bold relief, in all the burning realities of eternity. But when they enter into a revival, they no longer see men as trees, walking, but they see things in that strong light which will renew the love of God in their hearts. This will lead them to labour zealously to bring others to Him. They will feel grieved that others do not love God, when they love Him so much. And they will set themselves feelingly to persuade their neighbors to give Him their hearts. So their love to men will be renewed. They will be filled with a tender and burning love for souls. They will have a longing desire for the salvation of the whole world. They will be in an agony for individuals whom they want to have saved-their friends, relations, enemies. They will not only be urging them to give their hearts to God, but they will carry them to God in the arms of faith, and with strong crying and tears beseech God to have mercy on them and save their souls from endless burnings."
Charles G. Finney from "Revivals of Religion
I admire your heart! Keep it up
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