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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 13, 2009 20:07:20 GMT -5
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Post by housley3 on Mar 18, 2009 11:52:21 GMT -5
Hello, Jesse, I have been reading your newsletters every month and check you out on You tube a few times. But this last newsletter of yours really disappointed me to say the least.
I am appreciative of your ministry and blessed by the fact that you have alot of courage to do what you do, but I do feel that some of your theology is "Off". But I really do not feel like getting in a debate with you, as I can see in your videos it would not do much good and i would only get frustrated.
But I do want to just say that in your past newsletter about your trip to Daytona I was disappointed and you really missed some great opportunity's to show the LOVE of God to his lost children or as you so distastefully call them "Sinners". We are all sinners Jesse even you! anyway.
When it came to the man pushing you on the street, The Police should have gotten involved and rightly so. BUT you missed an opportunity to Reach out to that man with love and NOT press charges and extend to him GRACE! You never know that just might have changed his life.
Second was when the Kid threw water on you and then got hurt. Did you stop your yelling long enough to go to Him and Pray for his injury, make sure he was OK, Extend Grace to him even though you felt he had wronged you? I didn't think so. I think you were more pleased with the fact that he got hurt and had no care in your heart for his well being. I think you are missing the whole point.
Lastly, when the cop was asking to get off the bench and you were so proud of yourself that you continued to get back up on it because "You knew the Law" Cops sometimes have to make decisions in order to try and protect you and the community. But weather he was right or wrong, you were wrong and showed the people you were trying to minister to at that very moment that you had little or no respect for the authority that is out there every day trying to protect you and anyone who is in their jurisdiction. Though his interpretation of the law concerning "The bench" may have been wrong you lost an opportunity to show respect and possibly minister to that very person or someone who may have been watching your interaction with that officer very closely
I was in Daytona last year on business actually. I work for the Federal Government as a Law enforcement officer. And I walked through the streets of Daytona, And I spent a total of two days walking the beach and the city doing one on one ministry during my personal time. In one day I led three people to the Lord! True heartfelt conversions to the open arms of Christ. I did this by extending Love and try to reach the needs of the people rather then yell at them for everything they are doing wrong, invoking controversy by speaking against the Leaders of this country whom God commissions us to pray for weather we voted for them or not. During your Travels Jesse, how much time do you spend meeting the needs of the people compared to the amount of time you spend yelling at them? How many people have you led to the Lord? Because these are things i do NOT see in your videos or hear about in your newsletters.
Be blessed H. ousley
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Post by fs on Mar 19, 2009 9:27:42 GMT -5
I also think Jesse's ego is getting the better of him and has gotten worse since the radio show. I agree with all you say, Housely I saw the newsletter too. I am glad someone besides me is pointing this out yo him, but you might as well talk to a wall.
When claiming people hypocrites Jesse and some of his devotees here might do well to look in the mirror.
About tiem soemone else said this. (far more articulately than I ever couild have)
Bravo and about time!
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 19, 2009 11:38:47 GMT -5
So...
FS, Housley: When and where are you folks doing your next open air outreach?
Spring break revellers, like all sinners, are full of selfishness! That doesn't need to be catered to, but rebuked!
I have had interactions with officers who either A: allow their personal feelinsg egt in the way of enforcing what the law is or B: have no idea what the law states. when it comes to an open air scenario - while all things must be done in respect to their position, there is no time for "niceties" and beating around the bush!
Just because someone KNOWS what they are talking about when it comes to legal issues and theological issues and can hold their own in a discussion, debate, or procuring rights doesn't mean they are prideful or have a big ego!
I'm so tired of people thinking that Christians need to be "nice" all the time. Yes, our speech should be with grace and seasoned with salt, as scripture says, but that doesn't mean we must preface everything we say with "I love you" or "god loves you."
Ousely: I'm glad to know you are a soul winner! God bless you for that!!
But while serving and doing charitable work is biblical and wonderful, there is a need for the public preaching of the Gospel: rebuking sin and lifting up Jesus.
It is HUMANISM to think we need to go around meeting "the needs" of people every single time we do ministry. Their greatest need is to come to Christ, repent and follow Him!
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 19, 2009 12:36:40 GMT -5
So... FS, Housley: When and where are you folks doing your next open air outreach? Spring break revellers, like all sinners, are full of selfishness! That doesn't need to be catered to, but rebuked! I have had interactions with officers who either A: allow their personal feelinsg egt in the way of enforcing what the law is or B: have no idea what the law states. when it comes to an open air scenario - while all things must be done in respect to their position, there is no time for "niceties" and beating around the bush! Just because someone KNOWS what they are talking about when it comes to legal issues and theological issues and can hold their own in a discussion, debate, or procuring rights doesn't mean they are prideful or have a big ego! I'm so tired of people thinking that Christians need to be "nice" all the time. Yes, our speech should be with grace and seasoned with salt, as scripture says, but that doesn't mean we must preface everything we say with "I love you" or "god loves you." Ousely: I'm glad to know you are a soul winner! God bless you for that!! But while serving and doing charitable work is biblical and wonderful, there is a need for the public preaching of the Gospel: rebuking sin and lifting up Jesus. It is HUMANISM to think we need to go around meeting "the needs" of people every single time we do ministry. Their greatest need is to come to Christ, repent and follow Him! Amen Jeffrey
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Post by fs on Mar 19, 2009 13:25:18 GMT -5
Amen, nothing! How many people repented because of Jesse on this video? Jesse did a disservice to Christianity. As for sinners being full of pride and selfishness, I see a good deal oft hat among the most vociferous of the street ministers in this board. As for this "when and where are you folks doing your next open air outreach" this response gets tiring.
You people need ti realize there is far more to being a Christian than just standing on a street corner and hollering for people ti repent.
You are the ones who need to wake up.
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Post by housley3 on Mar 19, 2009 13:39:21 GMT -5
When is my next "Open Air Outreach? As far as Im concearned, every where I go is an oppertunity to witness and share the Gospel, Work, Home, Shopping, running errands, Everywhere. So In about one hour I will be going to work, apart of the team that protects my community and this very country, so I am in ministry every hour of every day because i am CHRISTIAN!
Was it not the exact example of Christ to meet the needs of the people. James 1:26-27 (New International Version)
"If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world."
Well I clearly see I have struck a nerve. I agree there are times for preaching in the streets, and doing so loudly at times. I started Street witnessing just weeks after giving my heart to the Lord when I was fourteen. I would travel the streets in my hometown on Friday and Saturday nights. God did some really AWESOME things but I also learned allot of hard lessons! But my questions still has yet to be answered. How many souls actually get saved because you are yelling at them. How many people get healed and set free? I have found the best "Rebuker" and "Convicter" to be the Holy Spirit! If you speak the truth in love, it will strike the very core of a man!
In all of of my experiences and travels throughout my 15 years of ministry and mission work. I have found if I simply love the "Sinner" and show the Love of Christ, The Holy Spirit does a wonderful job of convicting people of their sin. I Always speak the truth but do so in love, I do not condone the sin one may be living in, and I do not mince words, BUT i allow the Holy Spirit to do the leading, and I have often found that "God is a gentleman! And YELLING at people usually does nothing more then turn them away! When Jesus knelt next to Mary, and simply told her, Go, and sin no more, He was doing so with tenderness and grace.
There are times for debate and heated discussion, BUT if there is not fruit from your labor, Its a good indication that your method may be wrong. Doing the Work of God of your own accord is just as much as a sin as not doing the work at all. And disrespecting the governing authority blatantly with out the example of true "Christianity" then you are also in sin. Not turning the other cheek and extending grace when some one has wronged you, is sin, and being religious rather then Christian is also sin!
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Post by joeldad on Mar 19, 2009 15:19:03 GMT -5
Hi, housley3. Is your name Herbie?
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Post by fs on Mar 19, 2009 15:20:47 GMT -5
You will find some good and supportable Christians on the board. You will also find an annoying clique emotionality among some. Jesse, Rhema, Olver, Micah and Bullhorn Bob are fine when you support them, their style and their teaching posts, They like nothing better than to call the unsaved varied names or demand fellow Christians repent and call them hypocrites, yet they cannot stand to have anyone call them on anything they say or do. I was told about his when I first came here and have seen it more and more.
Criticize any of the clique and you get this "How dare you criticize a great man of God" attitude. Well, some of these people are NOT that great. They may think themselves great servants of God, but so did the Pharisees and we know how they stood with Jesus.
Again, these people need to realized there is far more to being a Christian than just standing on a street corner and yelling at others.
I stand by what I said. This most recent video has backfired on Jesse to anyone who sees. he wanted to post this to put himself over as a glorious martyr suffering for Christ and is being totally self serving. It is obvious from his actions in this video and on the thread that in spite of what he says he cares nothing for the lost and is onyl interested in his own glorification as in "Look how I am suffering for Jesus."
This is not just me, but someone else calling you on this Jesse. Where's the response. As for the rest of you, it seems this is directed at Jesse and he is the only one who needs to respond so maybe a few of you should shut up for a change and go do something productive for Christ like you are always claiming to do and let Jesse answer this himself.
You wanted the attention for yourself, Jesse and now you have it from a couple sources. You and your clique continually saw fit to call me on my Christianity and tell em yo repent,. Now some of us are calling you or yours.
You have great potential, Jesse, but you are getting way too mouthy, way too egotistical and way too far out of line. You are doing more damage to Christ than benefit with actions like shown here.
I pray you realize it and repent.
One of the minions saw fit to say it is a misconception that Christians have to be nice to everyone and I am starting to tire of being nice here. I am calling you on errors you are making just like you all like to call me on mine.
This was a major foul up Jesse and there is nothing to be proud of.
I have been driven by a feeling some form of enlightening would eb coming your way. I hope it is deliverance from some of your own errors so you can reach full potential for Christ.
This however does not even come close.
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Post by osubamey on Mar 19, 2009 18:06:09 GMT -5
I'll just repeat mostly what I've said already in the other thread.
I'd like to see less bias, in the newsletter anyways. Jesse, and everyone on the board who supports him, knows that I don't agree or support their beliefs. But that hasn't stopped me from becoming friends with some people on this board. The one that comes to mind most is Miles Lewis. We had our run-ins, but we've discovered that we're both rooted in our beliefs, and we respect each other for that. We've had some interesting discussions on God and theology, and we've become better friends and, I feel, better people because of it.
Unfortunately, I feel that people such as Jesse and Micah don't taken enough time out to actually sit, talk, and listen to those who vehemently disagree with them. I'll admit, I didn't either at first. But then I was a teenager. I am an adult now and as I said, Miles and I have reconciled. But we did that because we were both willing to sit down and have a discourse, not have one another simply shouting at each other.
But hey, this is just my two-cents as a non-believer. So take from it what you will.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 19, 2009 18:31:05 GMT -5
We should ALL be soul winners, yes indeed! I didn't mean to disparrage anyone's soul winning efforts! Let me reiterate: God bless you for all your endeavors for the Kingdom of God! ...From my experiences, often the critique of open air preaching will often come from those who don't do it very often. Whether it be One-on-one witnessing, tracts, serving at soup kitchens, or bullhorn preaching at a homosexual parade - (and this goes for ALL of us, OA preachers to those who leave tracts in public places) - we should never base our success on how many people were won to the Lord, but on our obedience to the Bible. Now I know some use this as an excuse to stand on a street corner and scream - which no one should do, in fact Charles Spurgeon urged preachers: "For Heaven's sake, don't SCREAM!" But lifting your voice, even shouting, is often necessary when preaching the Gospel. You can't just preach to the five people in the front of the crowd. While none of us will ever be as eloquent or "successful" as Wesley or Whitefield - they had their times where people scream at them, even climb trees and expose themselves at them! Let's sincerely clarify something, FS, what is the pride that you see? Could it be something that may be misconstrued? Is it a stretch? Or is it something blatantly prideful? This probably could be construed as me attempting to swing in to Jesse's rescue. LOL... I'm pretty sure Jesse can handle himself, this is just me discussing. Please know I don't have any hard feelings toward FS or Ousley. I'm not out to get you, but I am defending my position and thoughts (with the limited internet service I have ) God bless!
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 19, 2009 18:37:21 GMT -5
...btw...I'm nobodies "minion!" lol.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 19, 2009 18:51:31 GMT -5
I have watched many of Jessie's videos and listened to audios and I have never once thought that he was doing it out of pride. I have felt he has a true heart cry for lost souls. God has raised him up for such a ministry as this. And it seems to be an effective one at that according to some testimonies I have read.
If him being attacked by this sinner is a sign from God, then we must also conclude that Jesus, Peter, Paul and all other apostles and early Christian church and many today who are persecuted for preaching the Gospel must have been in error also.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 19, 2009 18:56:24 GMT -5
Luke 21:17, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake." John 15:18-20, "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also." John 17:14, "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world."
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 19, 2009 19:06:25 GMT -5
I have to pray about one hour before I can do 30 minutes of preaching. For me to attempt to preach on my own power always results in failure. We most certainly can do more harm than good if we preach on our own terms with our own pride controlling what comes out of our mouths. When I see someone preach on the "evils of the bikini", I have to wonder what is up. Preach the word, not your opinion, "His Holy Word" does not need any help! Let His Word do its job. Let His Spirit convict the sinners, preach the Bible and nothing else. To do anything else is just wrong no matter how you try to justify it.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 19, 2009 19:12:55 GMT -5
There are some folks who think all you should preach is scripture alone. There are some folks who think you should preach scripturally and use what is relative around you.
Either way, *practically* speaking, you need to expose sin, lift up Jesus, grab the attention of the hearers (without compromising righteousness), and engage the people.
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 19, 2009 19:52:07 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. But when you stand outside of a bar and tell drunk kids they are going to Hell because they drink and listen to gangster rap, instead of telling them that someday soon they will have to stand before God in judgment. And that they will have to answer for every sin they have ever committed. All you are doing is making them lost to the Gospel forever. They will never take a Christian serious again. Well done! Do not preach without His Spirit guiding you. Preach the Word! Wait until they are sober and can think and He can reach them. It is not our job to convert the sinner, it is His! It is our job to share the Gospel, how can you do this when they are intoxicated? Come on now, all you are doing is making more work for others later.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 19, 2009 19:57:46 GMT -5
That's a legitimate question and I'm glad you're thinking these things through...
Not EVERYone who goes into a bar is leaving intoxicated. Not everyone who goes into a bar is a drunkard.
While a bar is a popular place for that sin, it is also a place where, I'd say, the majority of the time, people are comfortable indulge themselves in whatever way they want.
On a Friday or Saturday evening, you're more likely to find a crowd at a bar rather than outside a Library or courthouse. When I was travelling full time during the week we would preach on college campuses on topics like evolution, atheism, humanism, etc. etc... and that weekedn we would preach near the local bar or nightclub area and preach against drunkeness, lust, etc.
I remember one St. patrick's Day we were in Arkansas I believe and had been preaching on a campus ALL week - we went to the bars to preach on St. Pat's day and students from the campus who got the gospel all week, got it again when they went out to forget about it.
I have seen the Holy Spirit cause drunkards to sober up in an instant - you can't even smell booze on their breath!
Recently I preached in Dallas, TX in Deep Ellum outside a crowded bar and into the wee hours of the morning, there were several people sitting on the curb listening quietly.
When I preach, I usually don't engage an intoxicated person for very long, because, like you said, they can't think straight. When preaching open air and a person who is completely intoxicated confronts the preacher, it is extremely hard to reason with them and most of the time they are only helpful in drawing other people's attention.
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Post by rebecca on Mar 19, 2009 20:15:05 GMT -5
Only God knows our hearts. We are never to judge people only their works.
1 Corinthians 4:2-5 2Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
3But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
4For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
Luke 6:43-45
43For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
44For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
45A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 19, 2009 20:19:46 GMT -5
Amen, Rebecca.
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Post by rebecca on Mar 19, 2009 20:31:33 GMT -5
I was just thinking about how it would be wrong for me to even say someone is doing a great job preaching. Someone could say "great sign" or "I agree with what you said" but what if all the time my heart was wicked?
Philippians 1:14-18
14And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
If you said "it's great what your doing" I'm not sure if that would be right or not. The apostle Paul did say he is glad anyway that Christ is preached but obviously it wasn't a good thing their hearts were evil. There was no reward for them even though they preached the cross.
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Post by fs on Mar 19, 2009 21:11:54 GMT -5
Rhema, it is really stretching it to compare Jesse Morrell to the likes of Pail, Peter, and Jesus but then you are part of the clique, so I do not even know why I am bothering to respond to you. I established long before, I could care less about what you think.
Jeffrey, you make some good points in your other follow up posts. However, I stand with Hosueley here.
Jesse and his antics seem more and more to be turning people AWAY form God and not to Him so I maintain , YES RHEMA, JESSE IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
It si high time someone or more people called him on it on this board instead of just stroking im as you seem to do.
Jesse came across very badly in this video. That is the truth of it, just as Housley there brought up.
And contrary to what you seem to think Rhema, Jesse is NOT anywhere near the same league a Paul or Jesus.
In fact i think if they were to lof on this baord theyw oudlr ebuke Jesse heartily for his antics on this video.
Period.
I suggest Jesse start praying about his own walk with god for a change and maybe YOU, Rhema , should do the same instead of harping about mine all the time.
God bless us, everyone!
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Post by housley3 on Mar 19, 2009 23:23:04 GMT -5
Hi, housley3. Is your name Herbie? Yes it is, Do I know you? I would just like to set the record straight on my own behalf. Im not on here to bad mouth or put down Jesse or any one else. Im just a fellow laborer trying help fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, and throw out there my thoughts, critics, and encouragments. So if any of you are gonna fight or just rip on eachother, I dont want any part of it, Debate is good, but if it ever comes to a point where people are just being hurtful, then i dont want any part of it.
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Post by fs on Mar 20, 2009 8:42:13 GMT -5
Yes, we should all try to work together and defeat the common enemy who is Satan. The problem is many of the people here and again not all, but many, seem to think they are above criticism or rebuke, thought they'll love nothing better than to rebuke others. A few people like to bring up how I supposedly have insulted varied people on this board but do not seem to notice or care how many times people have insulted me. I ave been insulted by Bull Horn, Micah, Jesse and especially Rkema just to name a few. Humility, turning the other cheek and taking logs out of their own eyes or he being without in casting the firsts tome are concepts many here do not seem to embrace. On the other hand I will say this for Micah. Either here or on another thread someone mentioned how he and the others always condemn, but they never take time to listen to or get to know the audience. This is not true for him. I have never heard Jesse or Micah preach live, but the video clips and their often arrogant posts here are enough to say I do not like them. They do a disservice to Christianity and I cannot help but point that out. On the contrary, if your ead all of Micah;s threads, he does meet with some of the very people he offends and eats or discusses with them after preaching. he even has some people come to him and apologize for their behavior,. which is wonderful/. Micah is a rotten street preacher i think, BUT ont he contrary seems great at one on one with people and while this seems to be an obvious strong point, no one can tell him. His response is ":Do not tell me how to preach/" It is a pity as he seems intent on doing it HIS WAY like that one real old guy always sings that my grandmother would listen to. He misses what I feel woudl eb great potential by placing a focus on one on one ministry, because he would rather stand on a bench and holler. It is a pity. Jesse is much the same way. I also think sadly he has become much more egotistical since getting his radio show,. but if you try to point this out to him he will not accept it. He who wins souls is wise, yet these people just do to seem to act with much wisdom most of the time any more. They need to follow their own advice and do some repentance and receive a few rebukes without shrugging them off. If they were truly doing Jesus's will would there not be a better success rate? Where are the throngs of people coming forward to repent? Some of these street preachers should sign up for a chorus of Way of the Master dvds and learn a few things www.wayofthemaster.com.
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Post by joeldad on Mar 20, 2009 14:01:11 GMT -5
I'm a fellow TM/HA alumnus. I've been reading this thread, and was just curious if you were who I thought you might be.
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Post by housley3 on Mar 20, 2009 14:04:39 GMT -5
oh yea! What year were you there? TM huh? Yea that was a long time ago for me LOL! Im Old now!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 21, 2009 20:17:41 GMT -5
1. I preached a lot about Jesus Christ and His suffering and death for our sin. Therefore I preached a lot about the love of God.
2. The Bible calls them sinners. How can it be wrong for me to call them what the Bible calls them? Is the Bible unloving for "distastefully" calling them sinners?
3. Christians are not sinners. Christians are saints. A "Christian" that is a sinner is a hypocrite.
4. I call sinners sinners out of love. They need to see what they have made themselves in order to see their need for mercy and transformation.
1. God only forgives those who change. God enforces His law upon those who do not change. Out of regard for the well-being of others, the law must be enforced upon those who do not change.
2. It would not be love to the society for me to let the guy off the hook if he doesn't change. As a Police Officer, you should understand the necessity of enforcing the law and the danger of not enforcing the law when a criminal is by no means repentant.
1. You assume way too much here. What makes you think I had no regard for his well-being? Why would I even preach to these terrible sinners, putting my own well-being in danger, if I didn't care about them?
2. I didn't stop to see if he was OK because I didn't even know he was hurt. Someone told me after what happened. Kerrigan however did see the situation and did ask the guy if he was OK.
1. It is not wrong to disobey an unlawful command. If I obeyed the Officer, our entire open air ministry would have suffered. Elevation, when you have large crowds, is absolutely essential. It would have severely hindered our ministry if I obeyed this bully.
2. If Officers feel that they can make up laws on the spot and have you obey them, they will continue to do so. I needed to set a precedent to show this Officer, and any other, that they cannot intimidate us and push us around.
3. I do respect Police Officers. They are my servants, they are public servants. They serve me and all law abiding citizens. I greatly respect them for the service that they render service to the public to make it safe to live in these communities. However, this Officer was not worthy of obedience or respect at this particular time. You need to give honor where honor is due. You need to obey good laws. When bad laws are established, they should be disobeyed. When unlawful commands are given, they should not be obeyed. When an Officer is a bully and a hindrance to the Gospel, they are not worthy of respect. I respect the position and I respect all the good that he normally does, but I certainly did not respect him for making up laws on the spot and trying to intimidate us to obey his unreasonable and unlawful commands.
4. Out of respect for the law, I disobeyed his command. The law is good and it is not in the authority of an Officer to randomly and arbitrarily make up laws. Our legal system would fall apart if each individual Officer would randomly make up bad laws. Therefore out of respect for the law, out of respect for our legal system, I disobeyed this public servant.
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Post by housley3 on Mar 22, 2009 14:36:26 GMT -5
Jesse Wrote: "Christians are not sinners. Christians are saints. A "Christian" that is a sinner is a hypocrite." So Are you telling me Jesse you do not sin? If you sin then you are a sinner. If you tell me you do not sin then I would tell you that you are a lier. The next time you feel perfect or think you are, try walking on water! I would love to see that! I don't believe it! Jesse Wrote: "God only forgives those who change. God enforces His law upon those who do not change." Where does it say that exactly? Did not Jesus Forgive the very men who crucified Him, Even though they had not changed their ways yet? (Luke 23:34) Jesse Wrote: "You assume way too much here. What makes you think I had no regard for his well-being? Why would I even preach to these terrible sinners, putting my own well-being in danger, if I didn't care about them?" LOL, Jesse I can only base an assumption by how you write your letters. They way you wrote it, is they way it sounded. So that is on you! Say what you mean and mean what you say! Your Own well being? OK, Sorry, But what you have gone through, and what little persecution you have "Suffered" Is nothing. Don't even get me started on that one. Jesse wrote: "I didn't stop to see if he was OK because I didn't even know he was hurt. Someone told me after what happened. Kerrigan however did see the situation and did ask the guy if he was OK. " LOL, Why didn't you include that in your newsletter? Jesse Wrote: "Out of respect for the law, I disobeyed his command. The law is good and it is not in the authority of an Officer to randomly and arbitrarily make up laws. Our legal system would fall apart if each individual Officer would randomly make up bad laws. Therefore out of respect for the law, out of respect for our legal system, I disobeyed this public servant." This is where i see just how ignorant you are Jesse, and how close minded and self righteous you are. Cops ARE given authority to make decisions based on situations, again, weather or not he was right or wrong you were wrong because you displayed a blatant lack of respect. You are lucky he did not throw you in jail, he could have rightfully done so, BUT he didn't, probably not because "You showed him who's boss". He probably just decided he would let you do whatever because you just proved to Him what he was already thinking, "Christians are self righteous jerks! Way to go Bro!! You were a shinning example of Christ! (Sarcasm) The biggest thing that disappoints me Jesse, Is I thought just maybe you would have entertained a bit more of a discussion with me, rather then just come in with Guns blazing! Do you never take criticism? Do you never think you could have done better, do you ever miss the mark! Do you think you could learn or continue to learn how to reach the Lost effectively? Or do you feel you have already arrived? Have no more room for improvement! No One has answered my question still, How many people give there Lives over to Christ during your yelling sessions? How often do you and your team members go to reach the needs of the people? How often do you feed the hungry, Clothe the naked, Comfort the wounded? Still waiting on the answer!
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 22, 2009 17:16:08 GMT -5
No One has answered my question still, How many people give there Lives over to Christ during your yelling sessions? How often do you and your team members go to reach the needs of the people? How often do you feed the hungry, Clothe the naked, Comfort the wounded? Still waiting on the answer! ( This paragraph was a question from Housley3)
Screaming open air sermons convert no one. Neither do you sow any seeds. You only push the sinner further away and make them label all Christians as loud mouth biggots. I believe when one does this they do it for reasons other than to proclaim the Gospel. I can only believe it is done due to a ego thing.
I have nothing but respect for those who witness, I witness everyday on the streets. I have nothing but respect for those who preach open air. I have done it many times. But there is a way that converts a soul and there is a way that pushes them further away, and to know the difference and to continue to do it reminds me of Jonah preaching in Nineveh. He was told to go preach repentence, so he did, but he did not truly wish for them to repent. In fact he hoped they would not so they would feal God's wrath. This is the lesson we get from Jonah. That we can be so self-rightous that we lose site of what God wants and only worry about what we want.
If you have never read Jonah, I would recomend anyone who preaches to read it every once in awhile. There are many on this board who do feed the hungry as part of their outreach. We have a sack lunch evangelism that works wonders. I can tell you honestly that there are many ways to reach the lost out there that does not include giant sandwich board signs and bullhorn screaming. If you talk to them like adults, they will listen. Trust me on this. They will not always be converting, but they will listen. And isn't that what we want? Tell them the Gospel, and nothing else, let God's Holy Word do the work!
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BroPatOC
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The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
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Post by BroPatOC on Mar 23, 2009 7:05:50 GMT -5
Jonah's message resulted in nation wide repentance.
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