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Post by rrescuedbymary on Mar 28, 2009 11:45:32 GMT -5
The Holy Catholic Church is the True Church.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Mar 28, 2009 11:54:23 GMT -5
Weren't you banned?
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Post by rrescuedbymary on Mar 28, 2009 12:06:12 GMT -5
Satan hates the Holy Catholic Church because she teaches the Truth - The whole Truth - And nothing but the Truth! Jesse has been led down the daisy path by heretics against the Truth that Christ teaches through His Church. It doesn't surprise me that Jesse would ban me. He really has no idea what he is doing or what he believes. He is an opinionated young man who feels like he has to go around hollering heresey at other people and condem them. The protestant church can lead you to Christ, but that is all they can do - They can take you no futher. All of this christian perfectionism is nonsense. Christ instituted the Sacraments of the Cathoic Church to bring us to perfection. One day jesse will see this and repent.
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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Mar 28, 2009 17:26:07 GMT -5
User was banned for this post.
Seriously though, the 1986 David Bowie from the movie Labyrinth was the true David Bowie.
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 28, 2009 17:39:49 GMT -5
Repentance and faith in Christ does lead to salvation. Where in the Bible does it say otherwise? One thing I could never understand about the Catholic church is, why do you have to confess your sins to a mediator? Do you need a go between man between you and God? Do you not have the honor of going to God in prayer and asking for forgiveness? And what is with this whole penance thing anyway, wouldn't that be works righteousness? Not trying to disrespect you any, just a little confused on your guys theology. The Bible states very clearly that we can not earn our way to heaven by works, and one more question for you, where in the Bible is the word "Purgatory"?
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Post by marysman on Apr 29, 2009 14:45:56 GMT -5
Repentance and faith in Christ does lead to salvation. Where in the Bible does it say otherwise? One thing I could never understand about the Catholic church is, why do you have to confess your sins to a mediator? Do you need a go between man between you and God? Do you not have the honor of going to God in prayer and asking for forgiveness? And what is with this whole penance thing anyway, wouldn't that be works righteousness? Not trying to disrespect you any, just a little confused on your guys theology. The Bible states very clearly that we can not earn our way to heaven by works, and one more question for you, where in the Bible is the word "Purgatory"? Friend, Christ gave Peter the keys and left him in charge, not you. The Church gave us the Bible, not the other way around. The Scripture contains the Word of God - but it is not all that Christ has given us. We also have the Church, which is the pillar of truth, as well as tradition, and the deposit of faith given to the Apostles. The Church is the pillar of truth. This is where we must go to correctly interpret the scrpitures. Check out I Thimothy 3:15. The Catholic Church is the True Church, man. Jesse is preaching a fairytale that he learned from someone else. He'll come around though, but first he must see his error. Who knows what that will take, though. WHen someone is convinced that they are perfect and don't need the Church there's not a whole lot you can do for them. He's still young though and there is hope.
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Post by jonathandwhitehead on Apr 29, 2009 14:54:10 GMT -5
The Church gave us the Bible, not the other way around. The Scripture contains the Word of God - but it is not all that Christ has given us. We also have the Church, which is the pillar of truth, as well as tradition, and the deposit of faith given to the Apostles. The scripture contains the Word of God - Which tells us not to go beyond that which is written... 1 Corinthians 4:6
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Post by marysman on Apr 29, 2009 15:07:16 GMT -5
The Church gave us the Bible, not the other way around. The Scripture contains the Word of God - but it is not all that Christ has given us. We also have the Church, which is the pillar of truth, as well as tradition, and the deposit of faith given to the Apostles. The scripture contains the Word of God - Which tells us not to go beyond that which is written... 1 Corinthians 4:6 Says who? YOU? ?? HA! Get a job man and support the Church. You're no one to interpret the Holy Scripture for us.
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Post by jonathandwhitehead on Apr 29, 2009 15:09:41 GMT -5
The scripture contains the Word of God - Which tells us not to go beyond that which is written... 1 Corinthians 4:6 Says who? YOU? ?? HA! Get a job man and support the Church. You're no one to interpret the Holy Scripture for us. When are you going to start defending what you believe with the Bible and stop going beyond that which is written?
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Post by marysman on Apr 29, 2009 15:12:44 GMT -5
Says who? YOU? ?? HA! Get a job man and support the Church. You're no one to interpret the Holy Scripture for us. When are you going to start defending what you believe with the Bible and stop going beyond that which is written? I'm under no obligation to do so sir. The Scripture does not establish sola-scriptura.
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Post by jonathandwhitehead on Apr 29, 2009 15:16:59 GMT -5
When are you going to start defending what you believe with the Bible and stop going beyond that which is written? I'm under no obligation to do so sir. The Scripture does not establish sola-scriptura. You'd better get used to the all sufficiency and infallibility of the scriptures because you'll be judged by it on the day of Judgment. He who rejects Me, and does not receive my words, has that which judges him -- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. John 12:48
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Post by marysman on Apr 29, 2009 15:18:51 GMT -5
I'm under no obligation to do so sir. The Scripture does not establish sola-scriptura. You'd better get used to the all sufficiency and infallibility of the scriptures because you'll be judged by it on the day of Judgment. He who rejects Me, and does not receive my words, has that which judges him -- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. John 12:48 And I suppose that if everything that Christ did was written down then the whole world couldn't contain all the books that would need to be written - RIGHT??? Get the picture? Jesus told the Apostles that he who rejects you rejects Me and the one who sent Me. You are rejecting God by rejecting His Apostles given the us through sucession from Peter.
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Post by jonathandwhitehead on Apr 29, 2009 15:26:53 GMT -5
You'd better get used to the all sufficiency and infallibility of the scriptures because you'll be judged by it on the day of Judgment. He who rejects Me, and does not receive my words, has that which judges him -- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. John 12:48 And I suppose that if everything that Christ did was written down then the whole world couldn't contain all the books that would need to be written - RIGHT??? Get the picture? Jesus told the Apostles that he who rejects you rejects Me and the one who sent Me. You are rejecting God by rejecting His Apostles given the us through sucession from Peter. haha. So the New Testaments not inspired by God and you're using twisting it to prove your case. Hilarious. You are rejecting the Apostles because you're rejecting Paul's words in 2 TImothy 3:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 4:6.
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Post by marysman on Apr 29, 2009 15:41:31 GMT -5
And I suppose that if everything that Christ did was written down then the whole world couldn't contain all the books that would need to be written - RIGHT??? Get the picture? Jesus told the Apostles that he who rejects you rejects Me and the one who sent Me. You are rejecting God by rejecting His Apostles given the us through sucession from Peter. haha. So the New Testaments not inspired by God and you're using twisting it to prove your case. Hilarious. You are rejecting the Apostles because you're rejecting Paul's words in 2 TImothy 3:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 4:6. Oh hay take a deep breath man relax O.K. I never said that the Scripture was not inspired - It is - but it does not say that it is the sole source of truth. It does say however that the world could not contain all the books that would need to be written to elaborate all of Christ's works. This deposit of Faith was vouchsafed to the Apostles and comes to us through Apostolic sucession. Jesus told His Apostles to go and teach what He had tought them. He didn't say go and pass out Bibles.
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Post by jonathandwhitehead on Apr 29, 2009 15:54:50 GMT -5
Oh yea take a deep breath man relax O.K. I never said that the Scripture was not inspired - It is - but it does not say that it is the sole source of truth. It does say however that the world could not contain all the books that would need to be written to elaborate all of Christ's works. Here is where you said that Paul was not telling us that the New Testament is inspired by God: Oh come on now - you're chasing your own tail friend. Paul told Timothy that the scripture was inspired that's all and he was referring to the Old Testament!!!T his deposit of Faith was vouchsafed to the Apostles and comes to us through Apostolic sucession. I want Bible verses. You have no authority. J esus told His Apostles to go and teach what He had tought them. He didn't say go and pass out Bibles. John tells us that he has written his epistle in order that we can know that we have eternal life. 1 John 5:13 We can't know that we have eternal life unless we read what he wrote. Moreover, we cannot believe in God unless we read or hear what was written. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Not the Pope...
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Post by marysman on Apr 29, 2009 16:06:17 GMT -5
Oh yea take a deep breath man relax O.K. I never said that the Scripture was not inspired - It is - but it does not say that it is the sole source of truth. It does say however that the world could not contain all the books that would need to be written to elaborate all of Christ's works. Here is where you said that Paul was not telling us that the New Testament is inspired by God: T I want Bible verses. You have no authority. J esus told His Apostles to go and teach what He had tought them. He didn't say go and pass out Bibles. John tells us that he has written his epistle in order that we can know that we have eternal life. 1 John 5:13 We can't know that we have eternal life unless we read what he wrote. Moreover, we cannot believe in God unless we read or hear what was written. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
Not the Pope... O.K. Johnathan - Paul says that the Scripture is inspired, happy? A man has no authority who is not under authority. Jonathan - doesn't this describe you ??
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