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Post by goodtidings on Apr 7, 2009 0:02:08 GMT -5
Open Theism or Deism: Isaiah 1:18-19 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: KJV QUESTION BIBLE SCHOLARS? When God invites us to come and reason with Him, who is doing the reasoning and who is doing the listening? Please note that God is inviting sinners to come and learn how they are blaspheming His LAW! He wants to impart the Holy Spirit so that they can have true wisdom and understanding, and conform their life according to the WILL OF GOD, and not the wicked and perverse ideas of man, no matter how noble that man is he is DUMB and IGNORANT and worse yet he is a sinner! We are to receive the wisdom of God! When we come to reason with Him we see His ETERNAL WISDOM and then we are able to have a standard by which to measure our pathetic wicked earthly wisdom to. When we behold God we see truth and the error that is in us then becomes exposed! Once the error is exposed, then we can accept His Power (grace) by faith (Eph 2:8) and have that wicked earthly wisdom removed! 2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory , even as by the Spirit of the Lord. KJV The problem comes in when “PRIDEFUL” people read Isaiah 1:18 and then assume that they can change God with their sinful ignorance, pawned off as wisdom. They think that God wants to hear from them or learn from them! When we reason with God, it is a one way exchange! He speaks eternal truth and wisdom and we receive it and OBEY IT! We impart nothing but “yes LORD” you are all wise and knowing! LOOK at 2 Cor 3:18 again!!! WE BEHOLD AND WE ARE CHANGED! Where in this equation is God changing because of something we added to Him or made Him aware of??? 1 Chronicles 22:12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God. KJV Who is the only one to give TRUE wisdom??? If you said God! Then you are correct! Very good choice! If all wisdom and knowledge are with God then how does wicked sinful man think he is going to change or influence God? What does man have to influence or change God with? Where did he get it from? The devil is the only one that thinks God is wrong and should be changed! It was Satan the rebelled against the Law of God in heaven! It was Satan that called God a liar when talking to Eve in the Garden of Eden! It is Satan that influences man to think he can change God, or influence God! It is the MASTER OF LIES! THE FATHER OF DECEPTION! THE OPEN DEIST, Satan himself! WHERE DOES WISDOM COME FROM? Exodus 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom , in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship; KJV It comes from God! It comes from the creator! So when did the created being, who receives everything from God get something that God does not have or know about! When did this happen? Where in the Bible does that occur? Have you read Genesis 3:1-7! When you listen to someone that has information that is not revealed in the WORD of GOD, according to Genesis 3:1-7 where did they get it from??? They got it from another source, which is shadowy, dismal, and tainted! Think about it! God is the creator! We are the creation! We cannot CHANGE, INFLUENCE, IMPART, CORRECT or do anything to God, but TRUST AND OBEY His ETERNAL WILL! That’s right ETERNAL WILL for us! He lives in Eternity and we do not! He has seen the end from the beginning! We have not! Romans 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus ? KJV Are you going to shake your fist at God for making man the way He did? Are you going to tell God He made an error and YOU have the solution? WOW! That would mean you are wiser, smarted, and more glorious than God! Where did you get that from? What water have you been drinking? 1 Corinthians 2:6-7 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world , nor of the princes of this world , that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom , which God ordained before the world unto our glory: KJV If you notice the last verse in 1 Cor 2:7 you will see that all wisdom was known by God BEFORE the creation of this world! He ordained a certain amount for us and THAT IS IT! Man has not now or ever will surpass God in wisdom or glory! The WISDOM OF THIS WORLD or “worldly wisdom” is from the enemy and is not based on eternal truth! Do you want the eternal wisdom that God has ordained before He decided to create this world? If you do YOU must confess that you are NOTHING and Have NOTHING and will be NOTHING without Him our WISDOM GIVER and CREATOR! Bow down your proud heart and accept what He has for you! He loves you and allowed Jesus Christ to die for you, just trust Him and allow Him to care for your soul! Tidings
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 7, 2009 0:10:20 GMT -5
Praise God for Him wisdom! Praise God for His Glory! Praise God and trust Him, for He will ever LEAD you aright! Bless the LORD Jesus Christ!
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. KJV
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Post by rwrf on Apr 7, 2009 13:50:07 GMT -5
So is this your attempt to give reasons from the Scriptures as to why the Bible is not sufficient revelation for us to understand God?
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Post by rwrf on Apr 7, 2009 13:52:22 GMT -5
Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. KJV Tidings So, since you believe this means God does not change in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, I have just one question for you. Did God the Son become flesh, or was He always flesh?
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Post by faithbypower on Apr 7, 2009 15:23:25 GMT -5
Did God the Son become flesh, or was He always flesh? -----------
The Point of Mal 3:6, His Character, method (salvation), Direction, purpose does not change or can man in his spirit Ever Change God.
The Lord was always been in a Male form, with two feet?
Exodus 24:10 And they saw the **God of Israel**: and there was **under his feet** as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.
Numbers 12:5 And the LORD *came down* in the pillar of the cloud, and **stood** in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
v. 8 With him will **I speak mouth to mouth**, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold:
In John 8:58 Jesus will Identify Himself as this Person before He Became Flesh!
58 *Jesus* said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, *I am*.
Jesus Claimed to Be I Am, of I Am that I Am the very Name of God, But who was He before He became Flesh as we are?
Exodus 3:2 And the **angel of the LORD** --> appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed
Who was the angel of the Lord?
Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, **I am** --> the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to *look upon God*
The Lord was in an Angel, (Chief Messenger of God the Father) The angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ in a human form, Phil 2:5-8 tells of His transformation from son of God to angel of the Lord, to son of man (in sinful flesh) to the death of the Cross to be our only High Priest to take away sin and to give us power not to sin which we have confessed we hate!
So How does this then claim you by your wisdom change God, rwrf?
Is God waiting on your prayer to act so He can change His mind, and we are all waiting on you? Is not this Presumptious on your part?
The Lord wants us to cooperate with Him in His Plan of salvation not direct His Path.
For only the Mind of God through the Holy Spirit directs our mind in and to prayer, anything is pure presumptious!
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Post by logic on Apr 10, 2009 18:34:33 GMT -5
I can move GOD!
Song 4:9 You have ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; you have ravished my heart with one look of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace.
We may move God in prayer, Just as Moses moved God in Exodus 32
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 10, 2009 19:36:02 GMT -5
PRAYER:
The Holy Spirit inspires prayer! Please open your Bible and turn to Romans 8:26-28. I posted it in case you do not have a KJV Bible!
Romans 8:26-28
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. KJV
PRAYER IS TO FULFILL HIS PURPOSE! Therefore, you can not CHANGE GOD! It is all about His purpose and not ours!
Open Theism has fallen and is dead and cannot get up! It has a terminal illness called error, sometimes refered to as False Doctrine! Do not pray for it, for nothing will change! Just repent and accept the will of God for your life!
NOTE: 1) Spirit helps our infirmities!
2) We do not even know what to pray for!!!
3) Prayer is according to the mind of the Spirit!!!!
4) The Spirit makes intercession for us!!!!!!
5) According to the PURPOSE OF GOD, not ignorant man!!!!!!!!
Blessings,
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 10, 2009 19:38:07 GMT -5
Open Theism has been destroyed! Praise God that the LORD does not change!
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Post by logic on Apr 11, 2009 9:59:59 GMT -5
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: :8 For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened.What shall we ask for? Mat 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth concerning anything that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.Remember that when we were not Christian, our desires were our own and were selfish. However, when we become saved, our desires turned from our own desires to God's and are now unselfish. Before we were saved we never desired to do anything with God but now our desires are only with Him and for His glory. Psa 21:2 You have given him his heart's desire, and have not withheld the request of his lips.Psa 37:4 Delight yourself also in the LORD; and he shall give you the desires, requests, petitions of your heart. :5 Commit your way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it (the desires, requests, petitions of your heart) to pass.Psa 65:2a O you that hears prayer...The Holy Spirit inspires prayer! Yes, He does, He also inspires people TO pray. If Moses had not prayed, God would have done that which HE said HE would do. The was a chance that Moses would not have prayed, just as much chance for us to sin. You quoted Romans 8:26-28; That is not concerning all prayer. (Eph 6:18) The Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Example:Mar 7:34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and said unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.Mar 8:12a And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and said "...John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping who came with her, he groaned in his spirit, and was troubled,John 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself came to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.This is for when we do not even know what to pray for, and all we can do is sigh or groan v&/or weep; and The Holy Spirit, Who is searching our hearts is aware what the disposition of the spirit of the groans are, for they are in accord with God, pleading concerning the saints.
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 11, 2009 23:03:26 GMT -5
Logic,
The only change that is made is in us! From our wicked sinful choices to the WILL OF GOD< which is without sin! Prayer is helping us to get the victory over sin! That is God's will for us! So if there is a change it is not with GOD! But with us!
John 7:17
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. KJV
Any time that our prayers are answered it is already according to the WILL OF GOD for our life! This has been predestined fromt he faoundation of the world! We cannot change God! That is not something we should even listen to! But God can change us! Prayer is heaven inspired to bring about a change in us! Not to change God! It is to bring us into His will, not to have license to do our own will (which is sinful)!
THe texts you quoted are all good! Praise God, but they show that Prayer changes us according to the will of God and not us changing God according to our own will! We are the clay and He is the POTTER! We are to be molded and He will not touch us without our permission! THerefore, when God want s to do a good work in us, we are inspired by God the Holy Spirit to pray and that prayer is the WILL OF GOD for our life! In every single case!
When we respond to the Holy Spirit's promptings to pray, then God have a blessing in store for us that will lead to our sinful characters being changed from glory (his glory) to glory (the glory we then reflect) because He changed us by our heaven initiated prayer! All true prayer is God's will for us and when we submit to it, He then has a right to change the clay a little more to reflect the divine image!
Goodtidings!
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Post by logic on Apr 12, 2009 9:45:29 GMT -5
Logic, The only change that is made is in us! From our wicked sinful choices to the WILL OF GOD< which is without sin! Prayer is helping us to get the victory over sin! That is God's will for us! So if there is a change it is not with GOD! But with us! John 7:17 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. KJV Any time that our prayers are answered it is already according to the WILL OF GOD for our life! This has been predestined fromt he faoundation of the world! We cannot change God! That is not something we should even listen to! But God can change us! Prayer is heaven inspired to bring about a change in us! Not to change God! It is to bring us into His will, not to have license to do our own will (which is sinful)! THe texts you quoted are all good! Praise God, but they show that Prayer changes us according to the will of God and not us changing God according to our own will! We are the clay and He is the POTTER! We are to be molded and He will not touch us without our permission! THerefore, when God want s to do a good work in us, we are inspired by God the Holy Spirit to pray and that prayer is the WILL OF GOD for our life! In every single case! When we respond to the Holy Spirit's promptings to pray, then God have a blessing in store for us that will lead to our sinful characters being changed from glory (his glory) to glory (the glory we then reflect) because He changed us by our heaven initiated prayer! All true prayer is God's will for us and when we submit to it, He then has a right to change the clay a little more to reflect the divine image! Goodtidings! So, Let me know if this is what you think: According to you, in Exodus 32, Moses was going to pray no matter what because he was predestined to pray for God not to destroy Israel and keep him alive to start over. Because If Moses had not prayed, then God would have lied by not doing that which HE said HE would do. God was not serious when HE said that HE would do such, because HE was never going to do it in the first place. This is because that God would have changed if HE did do that which HE said HE would do if Moses hadn't prayed. Therefore, It doesn't matter if we pray or not, because God never chages in a way that He would do any thing else but that which is already predestined. We know that what ever happens is predestined to happen and it will not go any other way than which we see it going. ---------------------------------------- James 4:2b ...yet you have not, because you ask not.Do you realy think that if Moses had never prayed, that God wouldn't have done what HE said that HE would do? Was there a chance that Moses might not have prayed? Do you think that If we don't pray that God might not move or "change"? Do you think that If we either pray or not is the same as God changing/moving or not?
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 12, 2009 12:08:20 GMT -5
According to you, in Exodus 32, Moses was going to pray no matter what because he was predestined to pray for God not to destroy Israel and keep him alive to start over. Because If Moses had not prayed, then God would have lied by not doing that which HE said HE would do. God was not serious when HE said that HE would do such, because HE was never going to do it in the first place. This is because that God would have changed if HE did do that which HE said HE would do if Moses hadn't prayed. Therefore, It doesn't matter if we pray or not, because God never chages in a way that He would do any thing else but that which is already predestined. We know that what ever happens is predestined to happen and it will not go any other way than which we see it going. God was determined to destroy Israel. That is His righteousness But by His Mercy, He had also and beforehand completely transformed Moses in the most merciful and humble man that had ever existed so far. God expected Moses to intercede for Israel, it is God who had made and prepared Moses for a time like this. God is very serious in all what He says and does.
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Apr 12, 2009 20:40:15 GMT -5
If God really is NOT suprised, astonished, regretful, grieved or he does not change his mind then all those descriptions of him are just mere personifications and casts doubt on scripture.
In reality, we KNOW that God truly experiences those things because we do. We are made in His image.
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 13, 2009 4:49:14 GMT -5
Yes God can be grieved , can also rejoyce
So what , does he change ?
No He changes not . When He grieves or when He rejoyce He is still the same.
My obedience or disobedience does not change God
But because He is the same always , we can trust Him with all our heart soul and thoughts ,
Whatever we're surrounded by thick darkness or by light.
Even when everything seems to have come to a dead-end...
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 13, 2009 5:40:05 GMT -5
God changes not. It is our spiritual condition and our “interaction” with Him which is different , according if we are obedient or not. In all what God is , says , and does, in His interaction with His creation (blessing or wrath) , it is for His creation to know that there is a God who changes not. So, Let me know if this is what you think: James 4:2b ...yet you have not, because you ask not.Do you realy think that if Moses had never prayed, that God wouldn't have done what HE said that HE would do? Was there a chance that Moses might not have prayed? Do you think that If we don't pray that God might not move or “change” ? Do you think that If we either pray or not is the same as God changing/moving or not? These brethren that James was referring were lazy and disobedient. They indeed had to be rebuked. Obviously when they asked they also asked not according to the will of God but for by their own will. The fact that believers pray or not can not change God , not even make systematically God move on their behalf. Believing this would encourage what is known as Christian witchcraft which is so common now in many denominations We must not lose sight that the Gospel and sound teaching must be God centered , and not man centered. So is it important to pray ? Yes it is. Prayer change not only what believers have or not, but also their “interaction” with God and their spiritual walk. So Christians must learn to pray and have a continuous life of prayer, to be co-workers with the God who changes not. even if our spiritual position with God has changed (because we have been obedient) , we must not believe that God has changed. God owes nothing to man.
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 13, 2009 6:33:48 GMT -5
Eric,
I completely agree with you, as this is the theology of the Bible. Praise God! Moses prayed because God impressed him to do so! The Holy Spirit inspired prayer of Moses was according to God's will, and not man's will, therefore, the prayer of Moses was the heavenly effort by God, to bring man UP TO THE HEAVENLY PLAN FOR MAN! Not man's plan for God to change and do what man thinks is best or aceptable!
God wanted to use Moses to work through so God's will could be expressed on this earth through His servant! When I am in prayer with the LORD, all I want is for His will to be done! I hate my will! I reject my will! I want God's will for me! I want His will to control and empower my life! My will led me into sin and far from Christ! But when I surrendered to God, and accepted His will for my life; His will led me to Jesus Christ and the sweet and wonderful presence of the Holy SPirit in me that brings me so much comfort and joy!
Death to self is DEATH TO MY WILL! This is the core, the VERY HEART of the gospel of Jesus Christ! Man knows nothing and is nothing and will never be anything unless God is in his life! Man must confess that and accept the will of God for his life, and we do this by daily surrender of all our plans and desires on the alter of God each morning. Then God can use us and reveal His will, and mold us to be in the image of Jesus and have a place in His kingdom one day. The king is God, and His dominion must be in us by faith. His kingdom or the dominion of His kingship is His will in our lives and us completely surrendered to it!
Humility and absolute surrender for me!
Goodtidings
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 13, 2009 7:00:17 GMT -5
The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit have a plan for our life! The plan is justification and sanctification, with the end result of eternal life. This God has predestined from eternity! But man has a free will and can reject the work of the Holy SPirit in our life and man can choose to remain in sin (satanic bondage, demonic control, lawlessness)! Why would anybody choose to reject eternall life with the altogether lovely Jesus Christ?
The predestination is the Gospel of Jesus Christ! All are offered it! All can accept it! God has provided for all! But sadly not all excercise their will to choose to yield to the Holy Spirit's plan for their life. They decide to maintain their own will for their life and reject the offer of humility and absolute surrender to the will of God and His plan for their life.
God knows the future, and He has seen every choice that every human being will make, but that does not stop Him from allowing the future to happen! It just means that when all is said and done that the record books of heaven (Dan 7:9-13, Mal 3:16) will be opened and the record of God's righteous dealing with man, His offer of salvation was rejected by some and their thought, intents of the heart, and decisions are all recorded in perfect clarity (Heb 4:12) so that not one person can say they did not choose themselves whether or not they wanted to be in heaven or be put out of their misery by the fires of hell that turn them back to dust from which they were taken. The record book show the just dealing of God with man, and show that man choose to excercise his free will to reject the offer of the Holy Spirit to reform the life into the image of Jesus and to remove sin from the character and be prepared to live with a holy GOd and sinless angels for all eternity.
Hebrews 10:7
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. KJV
The book of record (life) is to show the result of man accepting God's will for the life or rejecting the will of God for the life. If we choose God's will and surrender to His power through the Holy SPirit we will be changed into righteous people that obey the Law of God and will not be subject to the death penalty for breaking the law, because of sin.
We are to do the will of God! And He has a plan for our life if we submit to it!
Goodtidings
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Post by debonnaire on Apr 13, 2009 8:15:49 GMT -5
God wanted to use Moses to work through so God's will could be expressed on this earth through His servant! When I am in prayer with the LORD, all I want is for His will to be done! I hate my will! I reject my will! I want God's will for me! I want His will to control and empower my life! My will led me into sin and far from Christ! But when I surrendered to God, and accepted His will for my life; His will led me to Jesus Christ and the sweet and wonderful presence of the Holy SPirit in me that brings me so much comfort and joy! Death to self is DEATH TO MY WILL! This is the core, the VERY HEART of the gospel of Jesus Christ! Man knows nothing and is nothing and will never be anything unless God is in his life! Man must confess that and accept the will of God for his life, and we do this by daily surrender of all our plans and desires on the alter of God each morning. Then God can use us and reveal His will, and mold us to be in the image of Jesus and have a place in His kingdom one day. The king is God, and His dominion must be in us by faith. His kingdom or the dominion of His kingship is His will in our lives and us completely surrendered to it! Humility and absolute surrender for me! Goodtidings beautiful and true. Amen !
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Post by dmatic on Apr 14, 2009 14:22:43 GMT -5
tidings wrote:
I hesitate to ask, but I will anyway, despite my hesitation.
Do you believe that God created you with a will of your own? Or do you believe that everything you will is God's will?
peace, dmatic
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 14, 2009 15:16:53 GMT -5
The nature and character of God does not change.
That doesn't mean that His emotions or mind does not change, nor that His experiences do not change.
While God's nature and character is not subject to change, His emotions, mind, and experiences are.
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Post by faithbypower on Apr 14, 2009 17:18:46 GMT -5
Jesse
Your statement appears to double on itself, God does not change, but He changes!
Are you stating The Lord's Mind is Not His Character? The Mind is the seat of authority which is His Character, for what a man thinks so he is - which is the work of the hands or the fruit of his character the mind made known to the open view of people.
Are you stating there is an experience that God is not aware of today, that a lump of clay without the knowledge (or will) of God can outsmart God by prayer to change Him to redirect the mind of God to rethink His Plan.
So man has to be wiser than God, for it takes man and his own wisdom (morality, righteousness) to change the mind of God to gain an experience.
For the Holy Spirit does not change God's Mind, for He is God, revealing God's Mind, emotions etc. putting the thoughts, emotions in us to gain the experience to learn of the will and character of God which is called Grace
Sorry Jesse, man just wants to play with being God, God is my servant, I pray He changes
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 15, 2009 6:39:38 GMT -5
Jesse,
Where have you been? Your doctrine has been completely destroyed and you were not around to watch it go down! ha ha!
The issue of changing God is were this doctrine is weak! It is easy to prove from the BIble that God does not change. If He changed He would not be perfect! It would be an admission that prior to His change He had not already been perfect.
God always does what is right, and it is man that makes a mess of things. THen God steps in and offers mercy. When He was going to destroy Sodom, He stepped in and allowed Abraham to interceed so that He could answer the prayer, which was the will of God in the first place!
Read Rom 8:26,27! Think on those verses! YOu will see that all prayer that God listens to is the prayer He inspires by the Holy Spirit putting it on our heart! We never think things up on our own! Every ray of intellect, every flash of wisdom is from the Father!
We just need to be in His will more completely to be a part of it! Praise God and give glory to Him!
Open Deism (Theism) is a MAN CENTERED self based model of works based righteousness! It appears nice and feel good on the surface, but below it is full of dead man bones!
Romans 8:26-27 upsets the whole doctrine!
Goodtidings
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Post by dmatic on Apr 15, 2009 19:17:28 GMT -5
tidings wrote:
I don't think this is true.
Just because a father changes the way he deals with his maturing son, for example, does not mean that the father is not being a perfect father. In fact, if a father didn't change the way he dealt with his son, I would say that the father was not a perfect father! If he continued to simpl;y say "no!" and then spank his son, even after he'd grown beyond the spanking years...I would say that he was not giving his son the best education.
God says : "Behold, He makes all things new!"
God didn't "change" from the first day to the second, when He was creating his Creation. But He made new things! On the sixth day....there were some things that He created, that weren't around on the first, or second day.
Does the closed theist suggest that God does not experience these new things as new?
i do understand the dangers of trying to "understand God" apart from His manifesting Himself to us!
However, I do believe that He does desire a relationship with us somehow! I intend to follow Him.
Peace, dmatic
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Post by goodtidings on Apr 17, 2009 4:08:19 GMT -5
dmatic,
Your argument is not worth addressing! THe doctrine has been exposed as false, and is now condemned to the ash heap of history.
Open Theism (Deism) is a man made doctrine that elevates man above God! It teaches that man can change God or influence Him! This is wickedly false! Man cannot even pray without the Holy Spirit telling man what to pray for! We know NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL! We are called "Babies" when we are born again by the power of the Holy SPirit! How can a baby change the eternal wisdom of the Creator God?
Babies cannot even change their own diapers! All they can do is poop poop and poop in their diapers! They are helpless! Accept the fact that Open Theism (Deism) is a doctrine of devils and praise God that now you know!
Thank you God in the name of Jesus Christ for exposing this doctrine that was running down and destroying souls! Thank you for your word and the Holy Spirit to understand it!
Goodtidings
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Post by logic on Apr 20, 2009 7:29:32 GMT -5
dmatic, Your argument is not worth addressing! THe doctrine has been exposed as false... No, It has not been exposed as false, but you have exposed yourself as misunderstanding. Open theism is true, but God knows all contingencies and which ones will come to pass, or how things will go & turn out.
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Post by dmatic on Apr 21, 2009 18:17:02 GMT -5
I must have been absent that day! Sorry. On whose authority has it been condemned?
dmatic
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Post by dmatic on Apr 21, 2009 18:18:52 GMT -5
Tidings confessed: For someone who knows nothing, you sure think you know something! Do you know God or not? Peace, dmatic
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