Post by Pilgrim Marc on Jul 27, 2009 2:40:02 GMT -5
Our Jesus and our faith position.
Based upon these words in a post on internet did I write this thought.
Quote:"You certainly would not want to miss out on God's blessings and rewards by not moving into a better FAITH position which Jesus might now have for you, would you?"
This is the message I feel I have to share with you:
Remember that I am gave the altar service, the offering, the festivals of the Hebrew people.
Remember that this became a crooked and corrupted human system.
However I am said this will endure forever.
So I am took the greatest step in human history and did what was not right according to the system.
He made a young girl pregnant out of wedlock, the system said you must be stoned.
It was not strange that God did this, he broke his own rules over and over again because the heart of the people where far more important for him than doing what is right.
The whole family line of this Jesus child was a long line of cheaters, thief's, murderers, whores, lairs, and other wrongdoers.
Not something to be proud of.
But back to the story, by miracle Joseph accepted Mary as his wife anyway and saved her from being stoned.
Jesus grew up and became a man. He climbed upon a hill and declared what was right in God's eyes, the system applauded this was law, this was right.
However, Jesus did not stay on the hill, he came down and went to all the people the system rejected and right in their sin, their unrighteousness he came to them and reached out and said come with me.
The system could not handle this man who said I am the way the life and the truth. (more about that later).
The system said you have to do something to become visible in God eyes, you have to work on moving to a better faith position by doing things, by offering , tithing, celebrating festivals, sabbath, you have to do..... be a human-doing.
Finally Jesus author of that original plan of the old system gave himself over to the system and the system killed him, religion killed Jesus, and God wept.
But than the next in a line of many, many miracles appeared, Jesus conquered both the system and death, the old temple and all it stood for was no more ( even though it still stood there) an new of many God made revolutions had begun.
All centered around the man of Galilee who said I am the way, the life the truth.
This part is the center of our faith, Jesus ended all the old became the finally of the temple service, the festivals, the old way and started a revolution of faith and love, love and faith.
Jesus declared you have peace with God through what I have done for you.
If you believe this with your heart and speak it with your mouth it is alright, more is not needed my friend.
Acknowledge that your old ways where not the right ways, your life was no more than living death, your truth was a lie.
Come to me and I will become by the active power of grace your way, your life, your truth.
I have done all there is to you just come.
Give me the room to give, by not trying to give to me.
And the active power of grace will transform you from one living under the law of sin and death to one living by and under the law of grace and life.
Are there than offers needed anymore?
Yes, one is still left, however under the new way and not under the past of violence and death.
We our lives become living sacrifices too God, vehicles of his love, grace, freedom.
The first apostles did go out in this world while they where still discovering the extend of this new world view.
The had to rely on the Holy Spirit in an extreme way we can hardly understand, still it is for us too.
In one situation the had to declare no more man should be circumcised but still there was a account where it was needed to reach out to the people. ( But still no longer needed for God).
Just as the old system was for the people far more than for God, he said before he did need the offering etc. the people needed something to remember that peace with God was possible.
In one city a lady became the leader of the church in yet another city ladies had to dress in a certain way and do certain thing.
We lost view on the cultures God moved in so we can not understand anymore why he choose this in one place an that in an other,
What is left for us than?
The bible?
Well the bible is a good book that tells us about the story of God and the people he created, it tells us about his patience and love, and it gives us the outline of Jesus life and the consequences of his life, death and resurrection.
It give us a glimpse of the days of the early fellowship of the Way tells us about the believers then who they learned, lived and did grow in faith..
But truth stays that all the books on the earth and I believe of all ages can not tell all Jesus did, not even the bible.
On one day God said stop writing this what there is, now my story continues with out written record to look back on.
I have given enough examples about how I do things for all of time, the story of the conclusion is told; the coming, life, death and resurrection of my son and how this worked out in peoples life.. a guideline of things yet to come has been given.
Sad enough did the people start to use the bible, their culture and some pagan ingredients (this are things in a culture God could not use because of the way they dragged people away for being to doing again an placed them once again in a closed system of fear and quilt.) to build religion all over again.
However God never intended the bible to become a law book, a how to do or not to do book, the bible just told us about God and people, people and God and told us about what should be the center of our faith and that was not a do or don't no religious system, no law but.....
A person his beloved son Jesus Christ through whom the people of the world might be saved.
Jesus who said it is finished, all that needed to be done is done, just walk in it.
Jesus who said I am.
Jesus who said I am the way, the life and the truth, no one comes to the Father than through me.
Through his teachings?
Through act of worship?
A certain life style?
Some things you have to, or can do move yourself in a better faith position with Jesus to receive God's blessings and rewards?
NO, non of that stuff.
Jesus said look at ME, a person completely men and completely God became the way the life and truth.
Our faith is based not upon what we can do, or should not do, but on what had be done for us.
Jesus, made peace with God possible for us to walk in.
Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the active working power of grace do we learn what this means for us in our culture, life situation, where we have been through and go through.
This all by a personal revelation of Jesus the Christ.
The words: “You certainly would not want to miss out on God's blessings and rewards by not moving into a better FAITH position which Jesus might now have for you, would you?”
Are simply not possible!
Why?
Because all of this has been done already, our faith position can not be better than Jesus being the way the life and the truth.
We HAVE peace with God through Jesus, we can only receive and open us op to let it do its work in us.
And from that God can indeed show what actions might be needed in our lives and culture.
However never to bring us in a better faith position, never for God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, but for us the people around us, the people we meet and speak.
So that we and they might grasp how great God is.
But our faith position has been secured in Christ Jesus and nothing not even our deeds, ego's, spiritual powers, our culture, nothing can separate us from that tremendous love that saved us.
Jesus called us to become in line again with the image of God who said: I am the I am.
So let us stop by being human doings, God is not the I do.
But lets start from that solid unchangeable faith position who is Jesus to be human beings.
And being in Jesus, Jesus being in us will point the way to doing the will of the Father in our lives, situations and culture.
Moving forward in trust.
Let us not make a carved image of God all over again by our religion, by nailing down his movement that is like the unpredictable wind.
God is new everyday, in that is the always, everlasting unchangeable One.
It has been finished, Jesus is there for you... the way, the life, the truth, that brings you in the best faith position you can even have... in listening distance of Daddy's heart.
Based upon these words in a post on internet did I write this thought.
Quote:"You certainly would not want to miss out on God's blessings and rewards by not moving into a better FAITH position which Jesus might now have for you, would you?"
This is the message I feel I have to share with you:
Remember that I am gave the altar service, the offering, the festivals of the Hebrew people.
Remember that this became a crooked and corrupted human system.
However I am said this will endure forever.
So I am took the greatest step in human history and did what was not right according to the system.
He made a young girl pregnant out of wedlock, the system said you must be stoned.
It was not strange that God did this, he broke his own rules over and over again because the heart of the people where far more important for him than doing what is right.
The whole family line of this Jesus child was a long line of cheaters, thief's, murderers, whores, lairs, and other wrongdoers.
Not something to be proud of.
But back to the story, by miracle Joseph accepted Mary as his wife anyway and saved her from being stoned.
Jesus grew up and became a man. He climbed upon a hill and declared what was right in God's eyes, the system applauded this was law, this was right.
However, Jesus did not stay on the hill, he came down and went to all the people the system rejected and right in their sin, their unrighteousness he came to them and reached out and said come with me.
The system could not handle this man who said I am the way the life and the truth. (more about that later).
The system said you have to do something to become visible in God eyes, you have to work on moving to a better faith position by doing things, by offering , tithing, celebrating festivals, sabbath, you have to do..... be a human-doing.
Finally Jesus author of that original plan of the old system gave himself over to the system and the system killed him, religion killed Jesus, and God wept.
But than the next in a line of many, many miracles appeared, Jesus conquered both the system and death, the old temple and all it stood for was no more ( even though it still stood there) an new of many God made revolutions had begun.
All centered around the man of Galilee who said I am the way, the life the truth.
This part is the center of our faith, Jesus ended all the old became the finally of the temple service, the festivals, the old way and started a revolution of faith and love, love and faith.
Jesus declared you have peace with God through what I have done for you.
If you believe this with your heart and speak it with your mouth it is alright, more is not needed my friend.
Acknowledge that your old ways where not the right ways, your life was no more than living death, your truth was a lie.
Come to me and I will become by the active power of grace your way, your life, your truth.
I have done all there is to you just come.
Give me the room to give, by not trying to give to me.
And the active power of grace will transform you from one living under the law of sin and death to one living by and under the law of grace and life.
Are there than offers needed anymore?
Yes, one is still left, however under the new way and not under the past of violence and death.
We our lives become living sacrifices too God, vehicles of his love, grace, freedom.
The first apostles did go out in this world while they where still discovering the extend of this new world view.
The had to rely on the Holy Spirit in an extreme way we can hardly understand, still it is for us too.
In one situation the had to declare no more man should be circumcised but still there was a account where it was needed to reach out to the people. ( But still no longer needed for God).
Just as the old system was for the people far more than for God, he said before he did need the offering etc. the people needed something to remember that peace with God was possible.
In one city a lady became the leader of the church in yet another city ladies had to dress in a certain way and do certain thing.
We lost view on the cultures God moved in so we can not understand anymore why he choose this in one place an that in an other,
What is left for us than?
The bible?
Well the bible is a good book that tells us about the story of God and the people he created, it tells us about his patience and love, and it gives us the outline of Jesus life and the consequences of his life, death and resurrection.
It give us a glimpse of the days of the early fellowship of the Way tells us about the believers then who they learned, lived and did grow in faith..
But truth stays that all the books on the earth and I believe of all ages can not tell all Jesus did, not even the bible.
On one day God said stop writing this what there is, now my story continues with out written record to look back on.
I have given enough examples about how I do things for all of time, the story of the conclusion is told; the coming, life, death and resurrection of my son and how this worked out in peoples life.. a guideline of things yet to come has been given.
Sad enough did the people start to use the bible, their culture and some pagan ingredients (this are things in a culture God could not use because of the way they dragged people away for being to doing again an placed them once again in a closed system of fear and quilt.) to build religion all over again.
However God never intended the bible to become a law book, a how to do or not to do book, the bible just told us about God and people, people and God and told us about what should be the center of our faith and that was not a do or don't no religious system, no law but.....
A person his beloved son Jesus Christ through whom the people of the world might be saved.
Jesus who said it is finished, all that needed to be done is done, just walk in it.
Jesus who said I am.
Jesus who said I am the way, the life and the truth, no one comes to the Father than through me.
Through his teachings?
Through act of worship?
A certain life style?
Some things you have to, or can do move yourself in a better faith position with Jesus to receive God's blessings and rewards?
NO, non of that stuff.
Jesus said look at ME, a person completely men and completely God became the way the life and truth.
Our faith is based not upon what we can do, or should not do, but on what had be done for us.
Jesus, made peace with God possible for us to walk in.
Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the active working power of grace do we learn what this means for us in our culture, life situation, where we have been through and go through.
This all by a personal revelation of Jesus the Christ.
The words: “You certainly would not want to miss out on God's blessings and rewards by not moving into a better FAITH position which Jesus might now have for you, would you?”
Are simply not possible!
Why?
Because all of this has been done already, our faith position can not be better than Jesus being the way the life and the truth.
We HAVE peace with God through Jesus, we can only receive and open us op to let it do its work in us.
And from that God can indeed show what actions might be needed in our lives and culture.
However never to bring us in a better faith position, never for God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, but for us the people around us, the people we meet and speak.
So that we and they might grasp how great God is.
But our faith position has been secured in Christ Jesus and nothing not even our deeds, ego's, spiritual powers, our culture, nothing can separate us from that tremendous love that saved us.
Jesus called us to become in line again with the image of God who said: I am the I am.
So let us stop by being human doings, God is not the I do.
But lets start from that solid unchangeable faith position who is Jesus to be human beings.
And being in Jesus, Jesus being in us will point the way to doing the will of the Father in our lives, situations and culture.
Moving forward in trust.
Let us not make a carved image of God all over again by our religion, by nailing down his movement that is like the unpredictable wind.
God is new everyday, in that is the always, everlasting unchangeable One.
It has been finished, Jesus is there for you... the way, the life, the truth, that brings you in the best faith position you can even have... in listening distance of Daddy's heart.