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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 7, 2006 15:23:54 GMT -5
I just posted an article in the article section of the message board called "Diversity or Perversity?" by Michael Brown. It was a very good article.
I think that the name of the article would be an excellent banner to use at homosexual parades. I should look online to see if there are any homosexual parades this summer in Dallas.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Jun 7, 2006 22:11:50 GMT -5
That would be a good banner.
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Post by Grant on Jun 9, 2006 9:45:15 GMT -5
And how about for your outreaches at schools too:
Diversity or Perversity at the University?
LOL...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jun 9, 2006 11:19:34 GMT -5
The word "diversity" is as common on Universities as the name "Jesus" is in Churches!
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 10, 2006 12:18:36 GMT -5
We plan on going to a "Diversity Weekend" in Eureka Springs, AR in Aug. I am wondering if they will be tolerant enough to accept us....
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Post by Kerrigan on Jun 10, 2006 21:45:07 GMT -5
We plan on going to a "Diversity Weekend" in Eureka Springs, AR in Aug. I am wondering if they will be tolerant enough to accept us.... I wonder.....
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Post by cervyy on Jun 12, 2006 1:02:00 GMT -5
We plan on going to a "Diversity Weekend" in Eureka Springs, AR in Aug. I am wondering if they will be tolerant enough to accept us.... As you intolerantly preach to them about how you don't accept their ways. riiiiiiight.
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Post by evanschaible on Jun 14, 2006 14:06:15 GMT -5
What is the cross about as your avatar? Is it the universalist cross or something because you are quite the hypocrite if not.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 14, 2006 18:46:09 GMT -5
What is the cross about as your avatar? Is it the universalist cross or something because you are quite the hypocrite if not. Presbyterian cross
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Post by onlytruechristian on Aug 22, 2006 12:22:13 GMT -5
I understand that you find this perverse, and it may well be 'incorrect' biblically and biologically. However, I don't think it is a good idea to harass people about what you percieve as their faults, especially when they do not see them as such.
It seems to me you're casting stones rather than helping, and I'm willing to bet that so long as you are cordial and don't insult them on this Diversity retreat, they will be more tolerant than you could imagine. You know, they are human beings, and furthermore, God's children too. I don't think he would appreciate you harassing them, even if you had a good reason.
I don't know if harassment is what you intend to do on these trips, but when I read what has been said in this thread, I was shocked at the extreme lack of compassion for these people. You talk of them, at least in this thread and other homosexuality based threads, like they're some kind of lower caste, or lepper.
I'm beginning to think this community isn't the right one to find my answers in.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 22, 2006 13:39:17 GMT -5
We are a ministry that does not tolerate perversion.
And we are a ministry that publicly calls sinners to repent
in the hope that they find forgiveness in Jesus Christ
because if they die in sin, without Jesus Christ, we know that
they will go to hell, and burn eternally, as the bible says.
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Post by cervyy on Aug 22, 2006 14:41:42 GMT -5
OTC ... you are my FAVE Christian on this board. You above all the rest of the them on this board I truly say is the closest thing to CHristianity I've EVER seen on this board!!
(Even if I don't agree with all of your beliefs, you are clearly an awesome and kind person!!)
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 22, 2006 14:43:02 GMT -5
So what do you guys think God will do with homosexuals on Judgment Day??
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Post by cervyy on Aug 22, 2006 14:59:44 GMT -5
Well, if they've murdered or stolen, send them to hell of course.
But, they will most certainly not be sent to hell for being the way God made them (i.e. GAY). Only a hypocritical God (like the one you boast) would do that.
I'm surpised you'd even have to ask that Jesse. Silly boy.
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Post by oap001 on Aug 22, 2006 17:26:59 GMT -5
OTC ... you are my FAVE Christian on this board. You above all the rest of the them on this board I truly say is the closest thing to CHristianity I've EVER seen on this board!! (Even if I don't agree with all of your beliefs, you are clearly an awesome and kind person!!) Thats funny I suspected OTC was you chevyy. I'm not very convinced he or she is even a Christian.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 22, 2006 17:39:32 GMT -5
Homosexuals were born that way is something I hear often.
But I don't really believe that homosexuality is a birth defect.
Has science really proven that these people are born with such a defect?
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Post by Miles Lewis on Aug 22, 2006 19:58:24 GMT -5
"Even if you think you were born that way, Jesus said you must be born again."
Hmmm..... that needs to be in the one liner thread.
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Post by cervyy on Aug 23, 2006 7:03:43 GMT -5
OTC ... you are my FAVE Christian on this board. You above all the rest of the them on this board I truly say is the closest thing to CHristianity I've EVER seen on this board!! (Even if I don't agree with all of your beliefs, you are clearly an awesome and kind person!!) Thats funny I suspected OTC was you chevyy. I'm not very convinced he or she is even a Christian. If my word really means anyything to you, I give it that I'm not OTC. Too much hassle to use two aliases. And besidies, I've been online the same time OTC has.
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Post by cervyy on Aug 23, 2006 7:09:11 GMT -5
Homosexuals were born that way is something I hear often. But I don't really believe that homosexuality is a birth defect. Has science really proven that these people are born with such a defect? Oh, but no one said it was a birth defect. Or at least, it's just as much of a birth defect of say me having brown hair and blue eyes. Or anything like that. Jesse, again with the twisting of words around.
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Post by onlytruechristian on Aug 23, 2006 11:25:25 GMT -5
I assure you I am not cervyy, and I will prove it if you would like me to.
Also, what I am saying is not that you shouldn't try and help people, its that you shouldn't harass them, and then deny help. Holding up an offensive sign, or yelling obscenities and throwing Bibles is not helping people.
You know what I think is going to happen at judgement? God is going to put us all in front of him, and show us the truth of what we have done wrong in life. If we are truly repentant then and there, and ask him for forgiveness, accepting his GIFT of everlasting life, then he will welcome us with open arms, no matter what we've done. If we are prideful and do not regret our sins, then we will be cast into the fiery lake, from which our souls will be burnt asunder, and there is no return.
What would you do if you got to heaven and found out God was welcoming homosexuals with open arms? If he was really that forgiving? What would you do if you found out he considered it a minor sin next to the sin of their oppression and ostracism? Could you live in that kind of heaven? I could.
And thank you for the compliment, cervyy. I try my hardest to live as he lived.
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Post by shangxin on Aug 23, 2006 11:31:03 GMT -5
If you really want to live as Jesus lived, don't think homosexuals are commiting a sin. I don't recall Jesus ever MENTIONING them. Because back in those days they were considered just like everyone else. And Jesus had more important things to worry about. You know, saving lives and his death and all...
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Post by onlytruechristian on Aug 23, 2006 11:41:14 GMT -5
Well, I can't say that overlooking small things in lieu of greater problems is the best way to help. It is often the case that we can only help with the small things.
I do understand what you are saying, but there was a distinction made, biblically. It just didn't treat it as if it were as great a sin as some of us do now. At the time, Jews and some Christians viewed it as we might view poor hygeine. Others, like you said, treated it as a lifestyle and not a sin at all.
And, like you said, Jesus didn't have contact with them, at least that we can directly infer. But that only leaves a blank in which we must figure it out for ourselves. It does not necessarily mean he was for or against homosexuality as a sin.
I like your Ghandi quotation, btw.
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Post by valentine on Aug 23, 2006 15:07:20 GMT -5
Has science really proven that these people are born with such a defect? Jesse, Jesse. We've been over this. Or at least, I've been over it with Miles. Orientation is neither totally genetic nor totally environmental (very, very few things are); it's a conglomeration of a ton of different factors, none of them conscious choice. Can you choose to exhibit homosexual behavior (or not)? Of course. Can you choose who you are attracted to and what sex they happen to be? No. It might be possible to repress attraction through conditioning, but that's not what I'm talking about (I'm also of the opinion that that's not healthy). Oh yeah, and let me chime in with those saying that OTC =/= Cervyy. (Yes, I'm still around, just back in school. Taking abnormal psychology and learning about some good ol' fashioned disorders--homosexuality not among them, I'm afraid.)
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Aug 23, 2006 15:18:03 GMT -5
I do not believe that they were born that way.
God wouldn't make them homosexuals and then condemn them to hell forever for being homosexuals.
Now, they might not choose which temptations they will be tempted with, but they certainly choose which temptations they obey.
And because God commands purity, and homosexuality is an abomination, and it's something that they choose to submit to, God is just in His condemnation of them.
That is why they must stop their sin and come to Jesus.
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 23, 2006 15:26:01 GMT -5
Val, I know when I was growing up everyone called me a Tom Boy.I was only 6!!! I hated Barbie dolls.All of my friends were boys.One time my best friend who was a boy kissed me and I hit him. ;D.Im not gay though but I could see where a person could be misled into thinking they are especially this day and age. There is this woman at work and I am VERY much like she is.She is gay.She used to have long hair and she cut it.Over the months I have seen the transformation in her.She wears mens clothes and she is alot more 'out there' than she used to be.Im trying to find the right time to talk to her.She is soo much like me. We take charge,were physically not afraid to do what men do even though it's hard work.I can talk to men but I don't like to talk to women.All they want to talk about is baking cookies blah,blah, blah.I like to bake cookies but come on!!! ;D I would much rather go skeet shooting with my husband!YEAHHHHHHH!!! That doesn't mean Im gay though.My husband will tell you that!!! ;D
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Post by shangxin on Aug 23, 2006 15:44:02 GMT -5
.Im not gay though but I could see where a person could be misled into thinking they are especially this day and age. Come on. People aren't "misled" into sexuality unless they were traumatized in some way or brainwashed. I am a very androgynous individual and I am not going to act gay until I THINK I am gay. Everyone wonders, but sexuality is not that flippant.[/quote]
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 23, 2006 15:46:08 GMT -5
I have personally spoken with a former homosexual (now Born Again) and he claims he was born with the tendency towards homosexuality; and I agree, because it's Biblical.
Yes, homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22)..... however, this does not negate the BIBLICAL fact that homosexuality, as well as other curses, are passed down from generation to generation on those who refuse to walk in the ways of the Lord.
It is correct that an individual does not have to GIVE IN to such a tendency, yet this does not negate the fact OF such tendency.
A homosexual who says, "I was attracted to people of the same sex since I can remember" is not always lying; and it's unfortunate that some Christians say they are.... REFUSING to believe their testimonies of homosexuality and how they were "born that way".
If a man says, "I have NEVER been attracted to women and ALWAYS to men since I can remember"... who are we to call that man a liar when SCRIPTURE itself CONFIRMS what they are saying?
The Bible makes this issue clear:
Those who are (1) not saved and (2) have a family PATTERN of wickedness fall into the category of being curses generationally, as the Bible makes clear SEVERAL times....
The means of being FREE from such bondage is found in Galatians 3 where we are told that Jesus Christ on Calvary has become the curse FOR us...for cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree; therefore, the fact of being born into a wicked bondage is Biblical...and the fact of freedom from that curse is simply to repent and place one's faith in Jesus Christ.
Scripture supporting Generational Bondages:
It was the Lord Himself who issued the decree of generational curse son NON saved families:
Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodis 34:7
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Number 14:18
The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
Deuteronomy 5:9
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me
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Post by valentine on Aug 23, 2006 15:53:44 GMT -5
Jesse,
And that is in a sense what one of my (many) problems with your religion is. I refuse to believe that a loving god would give me brown hair and then condemn me to hell for having brown hair. And while I don't believe that orientation is entirely genetic, genetics do play a role.
You're also missing my point about the environmental factors. Whether it's nature or nurture, it's beyond the individual's control. If god has a hand in that, as you seem to believe, then I see little difference between being born with a trait and acquiring it through your life experience. Example--You may recall that most of my beliefs were shaped by a high school I went to. Did god send me there? Did that happen for a reason? Was I meant to draw the conclusions that I drew? I don't know. But I did, and if that's my fault, I don't like your god.
Jesussaves,
I'm not really sure what you meant by your post, but if you're refering to the part of my post that talked about "exhibiting homosexual behavior," gender role stereotypes are not what I meant. That's a totally separate issue, and while there is a correlation between preferences in childhood and sexual orientation later in life, it's not causation nor will it predict a child's sexual orientation without fail, by any means. I do not doubt that you are straight (actually, it doesn't really matter to me what you like, for the record, just as it shouldn't matter to any of you what I like--and why I've never said so).
What I meant by homosexual behavior was this: Can I, as a female, choose to kiss another girl? Yes. Does that mean anything about my sexual orientation? Not at all. Your behavior and who you're attracted to aren't the same thing. Just because John can choose to have sex with Bob doesn't mean that John is attracted to Bob. And for that matter, just because John wants to have sex with Bob doesn't mean that either of them are necessarily homosexual. Sexuality is a continuum. All of these labels are silly.
For the record, my favorite color is pink, I'm obsessed with X-Men, and I enjoy both baking and watching giant robots beat the crap out of each other.
PS, to all: Thank you! I may have just found my term paper topic for my Science and/or/vs Religion class, and it's only the first day!
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 23, 2006 15:56:36 GMT -5
So, Valentine, seeing the Bible affirms, in some sense, the "born that way" theory, and yet calls it a curse on wicked people....what would you say to that?
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Post by shangxin on Aug 23, 2006 16:01:29 GMT -5
That people manipulated what the Bible said for personal gains? Come on. Even you guys must admit it has been done before. The Bible was and IS very political, and in the wrong hands can be a weapon.
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