Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 14, 2007 21:26:17 GMT -5
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LesbianChilla wrote:
Ah the wonders of living in Montana. I organized Pride week this year on campus and we've already hit some snags.
We put up about 240 pride flags around campus and within 8 hours they had been removed by someone. Public safety found and returned them to us, they had been taken broken and thrown at our Main Hall. We taped them back together and put them back. If they get taken down again I'll just put them back again. Eventually people will realize that it's pointless to take them down.
Then there was the screaming, illogical, Christian extremists. I found it amusing that they were able to open the Bible to a specific page, read us a quote from it without once looking down at the page, and then instantaneously forget where they had just quoted from when asked.
I got bored with listening to them rant, so I borrowed a bible from the local Jehovah’s Witness recruitment table and went out to argue with them. That was fun. Every time I read them a quote with which they didn't have an appropriate comeback they just got louder and changed the subject, or shouted ridiculous condemnations at me. Needless to say they came off to the assembled crowd and reporters as idiotic extremists and I came off as an intelligent, tolerant, and educated debater. I think I got the better end of things, plus I have to admit I had far too much fun derailing their rants.
For example, Rant: The bible is a book of rules, it's like raising a child, you tell them not to eat the cookies before dinner, simple enough, if they disobey they get punished, end of story.
My Response: There's a problem with your theory. My five-year-old has a completely different set of rules than my sixteen-year-old, do you truly believe that in the 1700 years since the bible was written gods children haven't grown up any? God himself has grown and changed throughout the bible. He went from destroying cities and drowning the world to compassionately giving up his only son to a life of pain and early death to save all the rest of his children that experience. Are you telling me that in 1700 years god has become less compassionate and less loving?
Rant: You obviously had a poor upbringing otherwise you'd know that it's rude to interrupt.
It was at that point that I got tired of baiting them and left, but all in all it was a very satisfying experience.
Here's a bit from the local paper that I found amusing:
"University of Montana Lambda Alliance President Nicola Perez was having a rough Monday." (Not really I was actually having a very good day.)
"First came the reports that Public Safety had found Lambda's stolen and broken flags for Gay Pride Week discarded on the steps of Main Hall. Then a stranger told her she was going to hell.
""My friends and I were walking by, he saw our pride flags and our ribbons and started in with 'You're a sinner, you're going to hell.' The usual,"" Perez said. ""He has the right to his opinion.""
"Perez's debater was Eli Brayley, a representative of Open Air Outreach...When Perez found a Bible and began arguing with Brayley in front of a crowd of students gathered...Brayley pulled out all the stops."
"You're going to hell just like a murderer because you're choosing to sin just like a murderer," Brayley told Perez and others in the crowd debating him. 'God loves you but he hates your sin.'"
When I meet people like this I just have to remind myself that they have their own opinions. And it's not my fault if they're too lazy to put the effort into researching their point of view so as to make a logical argument rather than just hurling unfounded condemnations at me.
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signior_laris
So you debated with Eli, huh? he was actually the first person i tried to hand a flier to about the drag show...he used the same "murderer" stuff on me too...i just politely let him rant then said "i have my opinions, and you have yours, and let's leave it at that."
LesbianChilla wrote:
Ah the wonders of living in Montana. I organized Pride week this year on campus and we've already hit some snags.
We put up about 240 pride flags around campus and within 8 hours they had been removed by someone. Public safety found and returned them to us, they had been taken broken and thrown at our Main Hall. We taped them back together and put them back. If they get taken down again I'll just put them back again. Eventually people will realize that it's pointless to take them down.
Then there was the screaming, illogical, Christian extremists. I found it amusing that they were able to open the Bible to a specific page, read us a quote from it without once looking down at the page, and then instantaneously forget where they had just quoted from when asked.
I got bored with listening to them rant, so I borrowed a bible from the local Jehovah’s Witness recruitment table and went out to argue with them. That was fun. Every time I read them a quote with which they didn't have an appropriate comeback they just got louder and changed the subject, or shouted ridiculous condemnations at me. Needless to say they came off to the assembled crowd and reporters as idiotic extremists and I came off as an intelligent, tolerant, and educated debater. I think I got the better end of things, plus I have to admit I had far too much fun derailing their rants.
For example, Rant: The bible is a book of rules, it's like raising a child, you tell them not to eat the cookies before dinner, simple enough, if they disobey they get punished, end of story.
My Response: There's a problem with your theory. My five-year-old has a completely different set of rules than my sixteen-year-old, do you truly believe that in the 1700 years since the bible was written gods children haven't grown up any? God himself has grown and changed throughout the bible. He went from destroying cities and drowning the world to compassionately giving up his only son to a life of pain and early death to save all the rest of his children that experience. Are you telling me that in 1700 years god has become less compassionate and less loving?
Rant: You obviously had a poor upbringing otherwise you'd know that it's rude to interrupt.
It was at that point that I got tired of baiting them and left, but all in all it was a very satisfying experience.
Here's a bit from the local paper that I found amusing:
"University of Montana Lambda Alliance President Nicola Perez was having a rough Monday." (Not really I was actually having a very good day.)
"First came the reports that Public Safety had found Lambda's stolen and broken flags for Gay Pride Week discarded on the steps of Main Hall. Then a stranger told her she was going to hell.
""My friends and I were walking by, he saw our pride flags and our ribbons and started in with 'You're a sinner, you're going to hell.' The usual,"" Perez said. ""He has the right to his opinion.""
"Perez's debater was Eli Brayley, a representative of Open Air Outreach...When Perez found a Bible and began arguing with Brayley in front of a crowd of students gathered...Brayley pulled out all the stops."
"You're going to hell just like a murderer because you're choosing to sin just like a murderer," Brayley told Perez and others in the crowd debating him. 'God loves you but he hates your sin.'"
When I meet people like this I just have to remind myself that they have their own opinions. And it's not my fault if they're too lazy to put the effort into researching their point of view so as to make a logical argument rather than just hurling unfounded condemnations at me.
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signior_laris
So you debated with Eli, huh? he was actually the first person i tried to hand a flier to about the drag show...he used the same "murderer" stuff on me too...i just politely let him rant then said "i have my opinions, and you have yours, and let's leave it at that."