greg
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Post by greg on Dec 5, 2007 16:39:50 GMT -5
It looks like allot of "Evangelicals" are forgetting one thing. Islam and Christianity are at opposites. Read the following page and then look at the list of people and seminary's that have signed on to this...... Its not a smoking gun but I would call it at least out of the holster. www.yale.edu/faith/abou-commonword.htm
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Dec 15, 2007 18:06:03 GMT -5
Man, all I had to do was read the preamble. Yikes.
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Post by Kerrigan on Dec 15, 2007 18:52:51 GMT -5
As I was going down the list of people...I was wondering in my mind if two certain people would be on there...and wouldn't you know, they are!
Bill Hybels and Rick Warren...
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streetfishing
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Post by streetfishing on Dec 15, 2007 19:05:37 GMT -5
Revk
Does that really surprize you....
Jim
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Post by Kerrigan on Dec 15, 2007 21:50:18 GMT -5
Nope it sure doesn't!
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streetfishing
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Post by streetfishing on Dec 16, 2007 9:38:05 GMT -5
You know the really sad thing is most of the local churches in my area, are preaching this kind of nonsense....
Jim
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Jan 1, 2008 13:17:17 GMT -5
for a time I've been wanting to further my biblical education by taking some college level courses on the Bible, Apologetics, and some other things... but the more and more compromise I see like this, the more discouraged I am from pursuing a course of study through a seminary or college.
It would be money and time better spent teaching myself.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 1, 2008 14:19:54 GMT -5
So many seminaries and colleges are full of false doctrine and bad theology that my personal opinion is that the thousands of dollars it would cost to attend these places would be far better spent on building your own personal library.
Image how large of a library you could have, full of God's anointed authors, if you spent the same amount of money on your library as these students do to attend the classes of these modern teachers.
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Post by bullhornbob on Jan 1, 2008 17:12:06 GMT -5
It looks like allot of "Evangelicals" are forgetting one thing. Islam and Christianity are at opposites. Read the following page and then look at the list of people and seminary's that have signed on to this...... Its not a smoking gun but I would call it at least out of the holster. www.yale.edu/faith/abou-commonword.htmThis is the original letter from the official muslim website. www.acommonword.com/index.php?lang=en&page=option1The link you posted is a response to that letter from the spineless neo-evangelicals who seek "peace" above and beyond God's will. Hey, maybe we are in the great tribulation now?
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 1, 2008 17:17:46 GMT -5
for a time I've been wanting to further my biblical education by taking some college level courses on the Bible, Apologetics, and some other things... but the more and more compromise I see like this, the more discouraged I am from pursuing a course of study through a seminary or college. It would be money and time better spent teaching myself. I've considered the same thing many times brother. I just heard recently that a college was started in rememberance of Greg Bahnsen and that they have a degree in presuppositional apologetics: www.christ-college.edu. Unfortunately, they are heavy Calvinists because Bahnsen was. I have a four year degree and really didn't learn much to benefit me during that time. The best thing I learned was how to defend the faith against the "christian" religion professors. I have learned far more and far quicker on my own. I haven't found a school or seminary yet that has been worth the money...
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 1, 2008 20:54:49 GMT -5
I once was seriously considering getting that degree in presuppositional apologetics, but because their training is so heavily Calvinistic I refrained.
When I was studying the life and ministry of William Booth I remember reading that he once joined a Christian bible college as a young man but once they started teaching the doctrines of Calvinism, he was so repulsed and it was so contrary to his beliefs that he had to drop out.
A friend of mine recently told me that his "Christian" colleges has a "Gay Day". He attends "Gordon College". He said that they will have this whole day dedicated to sodomy and homosexuality and say that it is not a sin and it is ok and we should just embrace it. He said they even publish "testimonies" of the "homosexual Christians" who are students at the college and will spread them out on campus!!!
Homosexuality is one of the deepest depravities a society can fall into. HOW FALLEN is that "Christian College" who embraces what God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for!!!
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Post by Jeffrey Olver on Jan 6, 2008 22:03:23 GMT -5
My heart is so grieved for America and these colleges and the students who attend them. What lies. What deception. What willful ignorance.
How many times have I been preaching on the streets in front of bars and clubs and run into drunk seminary students, pastors, pastor's kids, worship leaders and youth leaders. It's shameful!
Yesterday I was preaching in front of the pool hall and bar as I do regularly, and a group of 20-somethings approached me. As they did, they shouted "I LOVE JESUS!" I was so sick of this being shouted by frequenters of bars and clubs I just bluntly said "Then what are you doing in a place like this?" They justified with all sorts of excuses, but in the end they couldn't deny that it was wrong to find entertainment in a place like a bar.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jan 6, 2008 22:29:39 GMT -5
Here are some college level Apologetics classes for free. They are all by Ronald Nash. He is a presupper, but he takes things from a different angle. He isn't quite like Bahnsen or Van Til or Clark. I believe he is a calvinist, but I don't remember it coming out anywhere near like it does when you read Van Til. Nash actually uses free will as part of his apologetic. If you like philosophy (and I'm sure you're interested in it if you like presup.), Nash is a philosopher. All the classes were recorded at a seminary. He is also really easy to listen to because he uses humor a lot. Apologetics History of Philosophy and Christian Thought Advanced World view Analysis Ethics If your interested in philosophy and apologetics I think Nash will give you a few things to consider. EDIT: The only one I went through was the apologetics one. I've also read Faith and Reason by him.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jan 6, 2008 22:32:14 GMT -5
In the apologetics class, the section on "Possible Worlds" is interesting.
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Post by rebecca on Jan 7, 2008 5:03:32 GMT -5
I run into people like this all the time at work. I'm not sure what we would contribute this to. Is it ignorance, willful ignorance, deception, a deluding spirit or false teaching? Do these people really believe they are christians?
It's difficult to know how to respond to someone that says they are a christian then this same person complains because everytime they get in thier car his wife has the radio turned to a christian music station. My first response is "I thought you said you were a christian???" I feel like I am answering a fool according to his folly and becoming like he is by having to explain to him that a christian is somebody who loves God not hates them. Duh!
Without knowing their heart it's difficult to know why someone believes they are saved and hangs out in a bar.
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
According to this verse their conscience already testifies against them that they are sinning. Someone who knows better and behaves this way it seems to me is just bringing damnation on themselves. This makes me think sometimes we are entering into the falling away.
Also this same person who says he is a christian hears me at work witnessing to others and says he is a christian too. How shameful than to turn around and complain to these same people because your wife listens to christan music after you just got done telling them you are a christian.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Jan 7, 2008 5:24:19 GMT -5
That is exactly right. Those who refuse to obey the light that God has given them, who rebel against their own internal knowledge of conscience, are bringing condemnation upon themselves by their selfish and stupid choices. Condemnation is brought upon individuals because of individual rebellion against the truth.
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Post by rebecca on Jan 7, 2008 7:48:25 GMT -5
Jesse
If a professing christian cannot resist the most obvious of sins what will happen if the Lord tarries and tribulation comes? I believe we are entering into the falling away.
Luke 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Hebrews 6:5-7 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness?
Jeffrey
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Post by alan4jc on Jan 7, 2008 10:58:04 GMT -5
That is exactly right. Those who refuse to obey the light that God has given them, who rebel against their own internal knowledge of conscience, are bringing condemnation upon themselves by their selfish and stupid choices. Condemnation is brought upon individuals because of individual rebellion against the truth. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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Post by John McGlone on Jan 9, 2008 1:09:52 GMT -5
I had coworkers in the Post Office that would proclaim Christ out of one side of thier mouth and then hang up porn in their cube and giggle and laugh as they proclaimed all of thier wickedness from the past weekend. So deluded...
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Post by Robrmerrill on May 15, 2008 12:26:20 GMT -5
Just because you dress sin up in a suit and put a bible in its hand,does not mean your gonna cause God to except what he has always rejected.1st John 1:6 If we say we have fellowship with him and,and walk in darkness,we lie,and do not the truth:
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