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Post by Kerrigan on May 26, 2008 21:27:00 GMT -5
Here is a video of me teaching at a recent home fellowship. I am teaching on the doctrines of: 1) Initial Salvation- when someone first Repents of all known sin and turns in Faith to Christ 2) Final Salvation- when someone finally perseveres until the end in the Faith (either when they die or when Christ comes back) 3) Probation- this is the time that is in between Initial Salvation and Final Salvation. This is the believer's life. What should they expect and what is expected of them? Here's the link: CLICK HERE
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 27, 2008 9:05:43 GMT -5
Very good teaching.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 30, 2008 19:56:22 GMT -5
I just recommended this sermon to some Antinomians on a different message board.
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Post by Kerrigan on May 30, 2008 22:08:42 GMT -5
I just recommended this sermon to some Antinomians on a different message board. Praise God! Hopefully they will get some sound doctrine!
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Post by manderson on May 31, 2008 1:46:33 GMT -5
Thanks: I used this on the street tonight. This is one of those doctrines that you forget to preach. At least for me. Many do not agree for they say that you can not have any joy in your Salvation. No comfort than it is bad teaching. The other is the on off Salvation. Are you saved or not. Have you ever told them what they want to hear like this minute I am saved.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 31, 2008 5:50:50 GMT -5
I made a post about OSAS vs. Conditional Security, and they said I was making Jesus into a probation officer.
Then I posted your sermon about probation.
Their whole argument is that we are justified by grace through mental accent. But they define faith as just intellectual belief, not a change of heart.
I said that we are justified by grace through true faith. Faith defined as the hearts embrace and submission to the truth.
So just like we are justified by faith, we are also sanctified by faith. The Bible says faith purifies the heart.
To teach justification by faith, without preaching sanctification by faith, is to preach a half Gospel. The Gospel changes us. It makes us into new creatures. It doesn't leave us the way that we were.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 31, 2008 6:25:51 GMT -5
Well, don't expect to get many good responses to your video from this Antinomian message board. A member of this board posted my video "What Salvation is Not" www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwMn_ITT8OMAnd said this: And what did my video teach: 1. Salvation is not unconditional 2. Salvation is not permission to sin 3. Salvation is not fire insurance 4. Salvation is a love relationship with God And he said that this was leading people to hell!
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edwardchow650
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Exodus 15:2 "I am the LORD, your healer."
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Post by edwardchow650 on Nov 22, 2008 19:52:21 GMT -5
Great biblical examples of initial and final salvation: Israel's initial salvation from Egypt. (baptized through red sea) Israel's final salvation into the promised land. (cross over Jordan) Probationary period for the Israelites was a "CHURCH in the wilderness" (Acts 7:38 KJV) Lessons from the Exodus. 1 Corinthians 10:1-13
Jude 1:5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt (initial salvation), afterward destroyed those who did not believe. (no final salvation)
Remember Lot's Wife. Lot's wife was initially saved from Sodom, but while fleeing, she disobeyed, looked back, and didn't get final salvation like Lot.
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edwardchow650
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Exodus 15:2 "I am the LORD, your healer."
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Post by edwardchow650 on Nov 22, 2008 20:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by joeldad on Nov 23, 2008 2:27:41 GMT -5
I like your illustrations, Edward.
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