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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 12, 2008 15:34:18 GMT -5
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Post by Paul A. Kaiser on Oct 13, 2008 22:00:22 GMT -5
OHHHH NOOOOO!!! Okay, That was funny and Kerrigan you got me pegged! I couldn't stop laughing as you gave a play by play commentary of my reaction! AND IT'S "FAT DADDY'S FRANKFURTERS".... ;D Fat Daddys Franks is the URL... www.fatdaddysfranks.com As for the "guts" comment! You won't provoke me that easially... I'm only a little ways into the central show topic but funny thing is we would both agree on the OSAS rebuttal of John 3:16 - Great job dealing with the tense thing in the original language Jesse... Now if we could only get you to look at the definate article usage in Romans 6! But alas we'll have to save that for when I'm "gutsy" enough to call in.... As for the sheep thing.... We'll have to save that for another time as well... I am throughly enjoying getting a better understanding of what you believe and slowly am forming some questions for clarification.... Intrigued... Yes.... "Converted???" "Me Genoito!" (May it never be!) P.S. Kerrigan, I've got $55.00 collected so far... Looks like November! ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 13, 2008 22:31:50 GMT -5
Glad you liked the show Paul and the commercial. I thought you would get a kick out of it. Yeah, John and I were talking before the show and I told him that you would respond and say, "OH NO!!" One question, did you say it in unison with John when he said it on the show after the commercial? Haha! Anyway, you are free to use the commercial to promote your business. I won't charge anything. So, have your Calvinist friends denounced you as a heretic for sponsoring our show yet? Haha! Did I get the url wrong on the commercial? In all seriousness though, brother, those Franks definitely look tasty! If you ever moved to the East Coast, just tell me the corner and I'll be there! P.S. We are specifically praying for YOUR conversion! Watch out, the Sovereign Hand of God may choose you to come over to the "dark side" ;D
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Post by joeldad on Oct 13, 2008 22:45:25 GMT -5
P.S. We are specifically praying for YOUR conversion! Watch out, the Sovereign Hand of God may choose you to come over to the "dark side" ;D Ha ha ha. *snicker snicker* Kerrigan, don't you mean, "The Sovereign Hand of God may have already, before time began, having never deviated from what has always been foreknown in the timeless mind of God, predestined Paul to come over to the 'dark side'?" ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Oct 13, 2008 22:57:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Yeah Joel...I'm still not an Open Theist
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Post by possess on Oct 16, 2008 11:33:14 GMT -5
I left some comments at the radio site, but I figure here might be a better place for discussion - ! Being "Calvinistic", which is a title I'm not all that fond of, because everyone who reads his writings has to agree that there are things he got right, and things he got wrong, like anyone who writes and talks a lot (with many words, transgression is unavoidable...) I have some questions, or discussion points, whatever.... So, I may be missing something here, but if it is conditional, then at what point are we unborn again? Is there a category of sin? True Christians sin all of the time, losing temper, abusing authority, lots of "good intentions but I shouldn't have done that" type stuff, are you saying that we fall in and out of grace all the time?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 16, 2008 20:44:08 GMT -5
You shouldn't sin at all. You never have to sin. You can and must stop sinning. Sin is an avoidable choice.
And if a Christian sins, they must repent (stop it) or perish. If you die unrepentant, you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
If anyone is deliberately sinning, they are walking on the broad road and are heading towards destruction. Only those who persevere on the narrow road until the end will have life.
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Post by possess on Oct 17, 2008 16:55:58 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to answer. It seems to me that sometimes we take things the bible says about blessings and cursings wrong. We love to talk about being blessed, but ignore the possibility that we can receive rebuking from God. Maybe some of what is in view here is not the salvation, or born again status of a person, but blessing and cursing of one that has been saved. Also there is the possibility that some of these things refer to assurance - the natural branches were cut off, and you could be also, if you are a part of the church but not truly regenerate, of which your sin could be a pretty good indication, and your general lack thereof, assurance of your salvation - as is how I understand the verses in Romans and also in Corinthians/Genesis and the golden calf. But if you have been given a new heart, then when you sin you must be getting back your old heart, and then a minute later, when your temper dies down, you repent, and you get another new heart - regenerated, and then unregenerated, and then regenerated again.... It is not beyond God, nothing is of course, but neither is the possibility that you can sin and be held accountable for it and still He will remember your sin no more.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 17, 2008 20:28:15 GMT -5
A regenerate heart is an obedient heart. An unregenerate heart is a disobedient heart.
A person is an a regenerate state only as much as they are in an obedient state. A person is born again only as long as they walk a new life.
The prodigal son knew the Father, then was separated from the Father, but then was reconciled to the Father again. That is why the Father said, "this is my son which was dead, but is alive again". You can be alive, then die, and then become "alive again".
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 18, 2008 23:55:20 GMT -5
Thanks for taking the time to answer. It seems to me that sometimes we take things the bible says about blessings and cursings wrong. We love to talk about being blessed, but ignore the possibility that we can receive rebuking from God. Maybe some of what is in view here is not the salvation, or born again status of a person, but blessing and cursing of one that has been saved. Also there is the possibility that some of these things refer to assurance - the natural branches were cut off, and you could be also, if you are a part of the church but not truly regenerate, of which your sin could be a pretty good indication, and your general lack thereof, assurance of your salvation - as is how I understand the verses in Romans and also in Corinthians/Genesis and the golden calf. But if you have been given a new heart, then when you sin you must be getting back your old heart, and then a minute later, when your temper dies down, you repent, and you get another new heart - regenerated, and then unregenerated, and then regenerated again.... It is not beyond God, nothing is of course, but neither is the possibility that you can sin and be held accountable for it and still He will remember your sin no more. Great questions, I encourage you to call in to the show tomorrow and talk with us live. We won't bite too hard. Just kidding, we really hope you will call.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Oct 26, 2008 21:14:54 GMT -5
We just finished our third show on the topic of conditional security. This time we discussed the situation of Judas and gave the biblical argument that Judas was actually a real disciple and apostle but that he lost his salvation by his transgression. We also discussed others in the bible that are said to have departed from the faith. It was a very good show. I encourage everyone to check it out.
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Post by edwardchow650 on Nov 11, 2008 18:47:01 GMT -5
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
BORN OF GOD = SINNETH NOT This is not hard to understand.
Then the sinner asks, what if he sins? I've heard Satan say, "you will surely not die." I would like to believe that, but Satan has been lying from the beginning.
Ezekiel 18:26-28 In plain English, this is not hard to understand. When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
1 John 2:29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
JUST IN CASE someone told you that you can sin sin sin sin sin, and still have God smile at you. Maybe it's a good idea to start practicing righteousness without doing injustice. But maybe it's true that God is smiling at you! Read these verses!
Deuteronomy 28:63 And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it.
Ezekiel 5:13 Thus shall my anger spend itself, and I will vent my fury upon them and satisfy myself
God is good. His kindness leads us to repentance. Not hard to understand.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 13, 2008 22:21:11 GMT -5
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. BORN OF GOD = SINNETH NOT This is not hard to understand. Then the sinner asks, what if he sins? I've heard Satan say, "you will surely not die." I would like to believe that, but Satan has been lying from the beginning. Ezekiel 18:26-28 In plain English, this is not hard to understand. When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 1 John 2:29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him. JUST IN CASE someone told you that you can sin sin sin sin sin, and still have God smile at you. Maybe it's a good idea to start practicing righteousness without doing injustice. But maybe it's true that God is smiling at you! Read these verses! Deuteronomy 28:63 And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it. Ezekiel 5:13 Thus shall my anger spend itself, and I will vent my fury upon them and satisfy myself God is good. His kindness leads us to repentance. Not hard to understand. That's good!
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Post by possess on Nov 18, 2008 3:21:08 GMT -5
Great shows, someday I will call in to play the devil's advocate...hopefully not for real....
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