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Post by dmatic on Feb 26, 2009 17:23:51 GMT -5
Actually, I would recommend that all of you read Jesse's piece. He has some very thoughtful and challenging ideas that you may need to face in your futures.
Until later, then....
Peace, dmatic
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Post by boldforchrist on Feb 28, 2009 19:43:26 GMT -5
So now fs is tired of me. Who cares what you think fs! Why do you spend so much time on this board? You post on here constantly. I see that your life consist of posting on this board, so I can say nothing to you about this. I believe you are pretending to be someone you are not, I believe you are speaking about a life you are not actually living, but rather one your fertile imagination has dreamed up. I have come to respect a few people on this board such as dmatic and biblegeek and I hate to have to stop reading their posts, they get into some fairly interesting debates, when they are not fighting. But you win, I will say goodbye to you fs, enjoy your life, or who ever's you are pretending to live. Oh, but one more thing, the way you speak to children is shameful, there is no excuse for saying what you say to him, and to say he is playing with the adults here, in a adult setting is a joke! You my friend are no more of an adult than I am Elvis! I expect your usual 138 post per 24 hour period to continue in my absence, I am sure Our Lord and Savior will be very proud to see you redeem your time the way you do. P.S, please do not call yourself a Christian, you do not speak for us true followers of Christ, you are a insult to the faith!
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Post by fs on Feb 28, 2009 20:19:47 GMT -5
May God richly bless both of you! I pray both of you live to see the error of your constant arrogance. Again, may you be blessed.
I also think Bold for Christ and Christian Soldier are the same person.
Brilliant game there, kid.
Follow your own advice.
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Post by fred on Feb 28, 2009 20:47:25 GMT -5
You ALL have some growing up to do. You all are so busy fighting each other, insulting each other and accusing each other over who is or is not a better Christian, it seems odd you have time to fight the true enemy who is Satan. It is sad to see how this thread has gotten so off topic also.
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Post by dmatic on Mar 2, 2009 16:01:23 GMT -5
fred wrote:
Kindof. But, God can use the bypasses too!
peace, dmatic
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Post by fs on Mar 4, 2009 18:29:17 GMT -5
Jesse let me ask you this. Where in the NT does JESUS say if you don't work you don't eat?
I didn't say Paul or John or anyone else. I asked about JESUS! Where is the direct quote that says this?
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 4, 2009 21:19:00 GMT -5
Jesus didn't say that. Paul said that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus condemned Socialism by teaching "thou shalt not steal".
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 4, 2009 21:30:08 GMT -5
There are three reasons a person would want Socialized Health Care:
1. They want someone else to be forced to pay their medical bills
2. They want to force other people to pay for other people's medical bills
3. They want to pay the medical bills of someone else
The first two motives are wrong.
The third motive does not need Socialism at all. It can occur in Capitalism.
If the third motive does not require Socialism, it must be the first two motives that a person would want Socialized Health Care.
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Post by fs on Mar 4, 2009 22:14:31 GMT -5
Oh please, Jesse, please.....is this the best you can do? ?? So Jesus DID NOT say If YOU DON'T WORK , YOU DON'T EAT! That's what i thought,. Thank you! One other thing Jessee and I deeply want an answer from you. What makes YOU such an authority ont his or as you seem to be speaking as an ULTIMATE authority ?
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Post by fs on Mar 5, 2009 7:09:35 GMT -5
Jesus condemned socialism by saying thou shalt not steal? This is a ridiculous answer and far too oversimplified. If thou shalt not steal let us talk abotu unfair wages and abuse of employees but the corporations and business owners. Let us talk about price gouging and price fixing. Let us talk abotu what the rich have stolen from the people and the workers and about their own ill gotten gain. Jesus did not think too much of the rich and less of the Pharisee and you conveniently forget this as you go off on one of your tangents again. How much have the corporations, the utility companies, the futures traders and the lobbyists stolen from the consumer? Jesus is NOT a capitalist, Jesse, as capitalism stands for the blind greed Jesus would have opposed as one cannot serve both Mammon and God. There is nothing wrong with what Obama or his supporters plan as he simply is taking back what has been stolen from us and is due to us to begin with. Your logic is flawed, Jesse. But no one can seem to convince you you are wrong abotu anything, can they! But then I am starting to see the picture. You don't; sin anymore, so therefor you have a better pipeline to god and thus anything you say is automatically unquestionable, kind of like the pope? ?? I really would like some answers aside from the run-around on this. If you can convince me God is a capitalist, then I am all ears, but what you present so far does not do it. Looking forward to some genuine backup to your views as right now they seem pretty absurd on this topic.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 5, 2009 7:47:22 GMT -5
FS,
You must not work do you? I see you post all through the day on here? You probably never worked a day in your life I am sure. You probably never paid a penny of income taxes have you? Sure you live with mommy and daddy on your behind sitting in front of computer all day doing nothing. Maybe you are one of those lazy freeloaders who live in government housing taking our hard earned income whom I spoken about in past.
I would rather help those in need that I choose to, and not have an evil, sin tolerable, baby killer as Obama or anyone else tell me where to give my HARD EARNED INCOME.
Remember, we live in a FREE ENTERPRISE NATION, you do not have to deal with any of these tyrants you do not want to. Of course you do not pay taxes anyway since you do not work. So why speak against the businesses that do not pay your income.
If it was not for business owners, I would not have a job right now. But that dont concern you, since you RELY ON OTHERS TO PROVIDE FOR YOU.
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Post by Melmoth on Mar 5, 2009 10:39:39 GMT -5
Or FS might have a phone with internet capabilities. Or work at home. Or work somewhere with reliable internet capabilities. Don't assume things about others, Rhema, assumptions are frequently wrong and you sound less intelligent than you may or may not be.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 5, 2009 12:22:17 GMT -5
THUS SAITH THE LORD: GOD COMMANDS CAPITALISM & FORBIDS SOCIALISM
God is a Capitalist. Jesus was not a Socialist. Capitalism not Socialism is taught in the Holy Scriptures. We see individual freedom and responsibility taught in the word of God.
It is the responsibility or moral obligation of the individual to be benevolent towards their neighbor (Matthew 22:39). It is the responsibility or moral obligation of the Church to provide for those who cannot provide for themselves (Matthew 25:35-36; James 1:26). It is the responsibility or moral obligation of a man to provide for his own family (1 Timothy 5:8). It is not the responsibility or right of the Government to take the hard earned money of one individual and give it to another individual.
The Bible teaches against governmental redistribution of wealth when it says, “thou shalt not steal” (Exodus 20:15; Mark 10:19). This commandment also presupposes private property.
The Bible teaches private property when God divided the promise land for the tribes Israel (Numbers 33:54). For more on private property taught in the Scriptures see Matthew 20:15 and Acts 5:4.
The Bible teaches a capitalistic economic system when it says “a laborer is worthy of his hire” (Luke 10:7).
The Bible teaches individual responsibility when it says “if any would not work, neither should he eat” (2 Thessalonians 3:10).
The Bible teaches against a socialistic economic system, considering it unjust for one man to built and another man inhabit, for one man to plant and another man eat, instead of each individual enjoying the work of their own hands (Isaiah 65:22). The Bible says that each person should “eat their own bread” (2 Thessalonians 3:12). The Bible says men are not to steal the labor of others but are to work with their own hands (Ephesians 4:28).
These are the principles upon which America has prospered. Take away these principles from our society or economy and you remove the very foundation of the prosperity of America.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 5, 2009 12:29:58 GMT -5
Or FS might have a phone with internet capabilities. Or work at home. Or work somewhere with reliable internet capabilities. Don't assume things about others, Rhema, assumptions are frequently wrong and you sound less intelligent than you may or may not be. My assumptions are no more ridiculous than the assumptions that FS has towards others on this board and other people she has made comments on. Including you. She has accused you of being stupid when you challenged her concerning Nazism .
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Post by dmatic on Mar 5, 2009 12:41:22 GMT -5
Let us see how FS responds to the assumptions before ruling on their merit.
As for Jesus' words, and the doubt cast on the inspired words of paul, Jesse is exactly right!
Thou Shalt not steal presupposes "private" property, whcih is bascially, the definiton of Capitalism.
Fs' complaints about greed and oppression are also concerns of God! God is very concerned with how we conduct "business".
He is so very opposed to unlawful business practices that He promises to judge on the behalf of those who cry out to Him for justice! The wages that were kept back from those who worked in the field will be required from those who stole them! They are also under the command to not steal!
The parable of the talents being disbursed while the owner went away for a while is very telling. He gave one five, in which to conduct business, another two, and the other one. Upon returning and receiving an accounting of the business, and after announcing rewards for the two who had doubled their talents, he took the one away form the unprofitalbe one and gave it to him who already had ten!!!!
Which proves that God is a Capitalist!
Peace, dmatic
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Post by fs on Mar 5, 2009 18:07:25 GMT -5
Well fortunately Obama is president and change that is log overdue is coming whether you like it or not.
If some of you here don't like the direction the country is going why don't you just pack up and leave? I am sure missionaries with your teaching skills would be welcomed in Uganda, Sudan, Ethiopia and so on.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 5, 2009 21:25:19 GMT -5
fs,
America has been founded upon Capitalistic principles. That has been the foundation of its prosperity. The President is a temporary steward which is supposed to uphold the foundations of America, not reshape them or destroy them.
If you want Socialism, move to France. But why not go all the way and join a Communist country? Why not move to China? The governments in these countries will gladly take your money and spend it how they see fit.
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Post by Melmoth on Mar 6, 2009 3:28:39 GMT -5
My assumptions are no more ridiculous than the assumptions that FS has towards others on this board and other people she has made comments on. Including you. She has accused you of being stupid when you challenged her concerning Nazism . What fs has done in the past is of no concern to me, she's forgiven, and until you reminded me the incident was also forgotten. An eye for an eye gets you nowhere, Rhema. Assuming reflects badly on both of you, regardless of the other's deeds.
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Post by fs on Mar 6, 2009 7:18:38 GMT -5
The Christian compassion, Christian humility and fellowship of shown by some of these people just amazes me.
I am through arguing with people whoa re dead wrong and cannot even listen to anything that shatters their concept of things.
Then so many of these street preachers wonder why they wash out and bomb in front of a live audience.
I am going to make one more attempt to witness to the lost in this board and I am then about done here I think
By the way Jesse, go back to one of those colleges you preach at and sign up for a course in government or social studies. Socialism and Communism are NOT the same thing, are not comparable with each other, and are two different forms of government. Any high school senior even, learns this.
May God bless you as some of you truly need it more than me,
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 6, 2009 7:44:58 GMT -5
The Christian compassion, Christian humility and fellowship of shown by some of these people just amazes me. I am through arguing with people whoa re dead wrong and cannot even listen to anything that shatters their concept of things. Then so many of these street preachers wonder why they wash out and bomb in front of a live audience. I am going to make one more attempt to witness to the lost in this board and I am then about done here I think By the way Jesse, go back to one of those colleges you preach at and sign up for a course in government or social studies. Socialism and Communism are NOT the same thing, are not comparable with each other, and are two different forms of government. Any high school senior even, learns this. May God bless you as some of you truly need it more than me, It is you who has no compassion nor humility FS. Look in the mirror first FS. You accuse people who claim to be Christian such as Palin, to be a false convert. (I do not know if she is or not) but It is you who is a false convert. Palin has more FRUIT than you. You are a murderer who kills babies. You are a liar who came on this board bearing false witness. You side with the devil. You follow after your father the DEVIL.
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Post by dmatic on Mar 6, 2009 12:46:48 GMT -5
fs wrote:
it appears that rhema seeker's "assumptions" are correct!
The heat of truth is causing fs to want to run.
fs, I urge you to stay and answer the 'charges' rather than cowardly run away.
Though difficult, it may prove to be beneficial to you...and to us too!
peace, dmatic
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 6, 2009 13:31:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately for such well-intentioned ideals, the evidence is in, and the news is not good. For example, as a member of the communist bloc, Albania was the only officially atheist country in the world. It was also the most control-oriented member of that bloc. The state decided how many flats should be built, how much milk should be produced and how many cars in how many colors the country needed. The planners were not as smart as the marketplace. Albanians waited years to share overcrowded apartments, and a car could be bought and paid for, with delivery seven years later.
But it was more than just an economic failure. It deeply affected the morality of the people suffering under it. Corruption became embedded in every social organism. Underground economics, and the shady world of moral compromises, became epidemic.
Capitalism, by contrast, is a system that allows people to make their own choices, but demands virtue in its exaltation of contract, duty and diligence.
So what of God? Is he a capitalist? Is he a communist? Is he a God who would have people controlled like in Albania, or is he a God who favors risk and reward as in the United States?
The God I find in the Bible is a risk taker. He set Adam and Eve in the garden and gave them the right to choose -- allowing them to live with the consequences of their poor choices. Abraham, by contrast, chose faith and was rewarded for his risky obedience.
God finally risked all by allowing us to accept or decline his sacrifice on the cross.
God has made a significant investment in us, and he expects a return. But he gives us freedom and rewards as the risk taker. That is the essence of a true capitalist.
By Roger Magnuson
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Post by fred on Mar 6, 2009 16:24:39 GMT -5
Don;t you read the posts? While I think FS also leaves a little to be desired, so do some of you. You all need to grow up. While Communism is an absolute evil and as been as I am old enough or study college courses on The Cold War, that is NOT what the chick said. The point she tried to make was SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM are two separate things and very different and she has you there as she is correct on that at least.
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Post by dmatic on Mar 6, 2009 16:24:43 GMT -5
Well said!
Peace, dmatic
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 6, 2009 17:01:39 GMT -5
Fred, why are you forever telling us to grow up? You are 22? Why don't you get back with me in about 20 years and tell me again how much you knew when you were 22. Sometimes it is hard to humble ourselves, trust me, I am guilty of this often.
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Post by fs on Mar 6, 2009 20:21:32 GMT -5
Boy Rhema, you sure told me, didn't you! The only thing is you miss the point and still do bot realize I am Not accountable to YOU and owe you NO response whatsoever. Nor do I care what you think any longer. The only thing I will say is you have no right talking abotu any one else and fruitfulness unless you follow them around, know their life, know their story and know their relationship o Jesus. Worry about your own orchard and shut up.You question MY salvation. Well, I question yours. Look at your own arrogance first. Take the log out of your eye. The cracks abotu loving with mommy and daddy make me laugh as they are so inaccurate,. Shows your own ignorance again. I am not going too respond any further as where I work, how and why IO am able to be online so often and so on si none of your business. AGAIN! In fact witht his post I am abotu done here. I might keep logged in case you repent or I change my mindm, but I am done.
Boy Rhema , you sure told me, didn't you! The only thing is, as I said, I am not accountable to you and no longer care what you think any more. When will this sink in.
Worry about the fruit in your own orchard for a change.
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Post by boldforchrist on Mar 6, 2009 20:31:53 GMT -5
It is none of my business, but is there anyway you guys can work this out? It is like standing on the sidewalk and watching two of your friends beating eachother with baseball bats. please!
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Post by fs on Mar 6, 2009 20:40:04 GMT -5
Anything's possible,. Not always likely, but possible.
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Post by Rhema Seeker (Guy) on Mar 6, 2009 21:03:52 GMT -5
FS,
The only reason I have spoken in such manner is that I really do fear you are in error. I actually do not blame you totally. I do blame the ministers who have lied to you concerning the gospel. Because of your stance on abortion. You saying you have had 2 abortions, and still you say that abortion is not a sin. Your attack on Palin, Bush and others, salvation. Your stance against open air preachers on this board, has convinced me that you are in error.
I really feel that by not rebuking you as I did would do you much injustice. Your stance on socialism is another issue. For years, old time ministers have preached against this, and here you are defending it.
I am afraid dearly that if you were to come before the judgment seat of God this day, you will not be found guiltless. Your posts that I read pricks me deep within every time I read them. I really hope you would seek the WORD of GOD with prayer and fasting concerning this matter.
I have never rebuked anyone as I have you FS. Not even open admitted sinners . The reason being is you profess Christianity and are in much error. And then you attack the things of God with such vigor, it astonishes me.
I was in fear before posting these rebukes to you. It took prayer and seeking God's Face. But I believe with all my heart, I did the right thing. My hands will be without blood on your day before the judgment seat.
My hope would be that you would follow Christ with all HOLINESS and TRUTH so you could be a great witness for our LORD. And that you would hear those WORD "enter in my good and faithful servant".
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Post by fs on Mar 6, 2009 21:56:10 GMT -5
I will consider your post and try to keep your intention in the forefront. Best I can offer you.
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