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Post by supergirl79 on Nov 13, 2006 16:00:33 GMT -5
The potty language doesn't really have anything to do with making a fellow Christian stumble, it has more to do with what is in the heart...The meat is something that goes in the mouth, so it does not defile a person (so we are free to eat it or not eat it), but language comes out of the mouth, so it basically shows the condition of the heart. You have a potty in your mouth, because there is a sewer in your heart. If you check out Matthew 15:17-20 you will see that principle.
We are supposed to be set apart as Christians, here's what Ephesians 4:17-19 has to say: "This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness."
As for Evan's comment on the degrees, I personally have a couple degrees as well and I have found them to be about as useful as a rectal thermometer myself, especially in regard to the things of God...besides that the Bible says "For in much wisdom is much grief, And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18. So, I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't have a problem with that comment! ;D
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Post by mahatma on Nov 13, 2006 16:11:24 GMT -5
Increasing knowledge bringing increasing sorrow can often be true, but I think it's just the flip-side of "ignorance is bliss." After reading the Bible you all "realized" that most people are going to burn in hell for eternity, which knowledge must certainly bring you sorrow. But dollars to doughnuts says that isn't knowledge you wish you didn't have. Just because knowledge adds complexity and sometimes brings sadness is no reason to hide from it, any more than the chance of an occasional argument is a reason to avoid getting married.
What use a person gets out of their knowledge depends entirely on what a person decides to do with it, and the casual dismissal of another person's hard, arduous work to gain knowledge and wisdom is callous and petty.
There's my .02
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Post by supergirl79 on Nov 13, 2006 18:11:34 GMT -5
Well, when talking about degrees, I figured that would refer to worldly knowledge. Of course, we should strive after the knowledge that the Bible has to offer. My experience with worldly knowledge is that many people that strive for it, also try to "prove" that there is no God, so they have no reason to repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ. To them Biblical knowledge is foolishness and they are in the dark. The foolishness that I have seen as an example is that the professor would say in the abortion debate that it is not a moral issue, rather a matter of men having control over women's bodies. That is truely foolishness and I just think that puting your trust in degrees rather than Jesus Christ is foolishness that will land you in Hell! I still think the comment was fine that Evan made! Eventhough I can also see some advantages to having a degree in this world, it can help you to get a decent job in order to provide for your family and it can help you understand the world you live in. I was there when Evan spoke with that professor and he most definitely put more trust in his degrees than in what the Bible has to say...
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Post by berean73 on Nov 13, 2006 18:13:52 GMT -5
I didn't realize I caused you to stumble....I'm not exactly sure how that happened, but if I led you into sin my merely explaining a euphemisim, then I certainly do apologize. I wasn't just cursing....it was more of a quote, if you take my meaning. And I love that Bible verse!!!! I'm a vegan!!! haahaa (I really am!) you didn't cause me to stumble, I suppose I was just looking out for others.... who knows. Thank you for the apology anyway!!!! ;D
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Post by berean73 on Nov 13, 2006 18:18:53 GMT -5
The potty language doesn't really have anything to do with making a fellow Christian stumble, it has more to do with what is in the heart...The meat is something that goes in the mouth, so it does not defile a person (so we are free to eat it or not eat it), but language comes out of the mouth, so it basically shows the condition of the heart. You have a potty in your mouth, because there is a sewer in your heart. If you check out Matthew 15:17-20 you will see that principle. We are supposed to be set apart as Christians, here's what Ephesians 4:17-19 has to say: "This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness." As for Evan's comment on the degrees, I personally have a couple degrees as well and I have found them to be about as useful as a rectal thermometer myself, especially in regard to the things of God...besides that the Bible says "For in much wisdom is much grief, And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow." Ecclesiastes 1:18. So, I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't have a problem with that comment! ;D Well well well, look who is on the boards..... ;D I'd know that handle anywhere. Welcome Steph!!!! By the way, I called you last night. Now not to completly disagree with you, but if a Christian who cusses a lot is hanging around a Christian who doesn't, and that Christian who doesn't, starts to cuss a lot more than usual, I kinda see that as stumbling. Just an example as to what I was talking about... we both know someone like that... lol
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Post by berean73 on Nov 13, 2006 18:22:10 GMT -5
Berean, In fairness here, if you were offended by the word that she used on her post, then you should probably be equally as offended by Evan's comment also. It was pretty clear what it meant. I wouldn't call myself as personally offened by either Evan's comment or LA's desription of it's intent. I would say this. Neither bring any glory to God. I totally agree bro, I really didn't mean to seem like I was attacking LPJ, and not saying anything to Evan. I did state in an earlier post that I did not agree with what Evan said. Thanks for bringing that up bro, it has gotten me to think about a few things. Bless you!
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Post by mahatma on Nov 13, 2006 18:33:36 GMT -5
Supergirl,
Whether it's worldly knowledge or spiritual knowledge, isn't it still important information that a person has worked hard for? Should all human endeavor outside of scriptural learning be scoffed at? Isn't the use of one's intellect to learn and grow in itself a glorification of God through the gifts he has given you?
Personally I have a little bit of worldly knowledge, but by no means do I know everything, or even most things. I do constantly strive to learn and grow, because to do anything else is allowing my mind to stagnate, and stagnation is death. As far as abortion is concerned, it is most certainly a moral issue. The two lynchpins of the issue are the humanity of a fetus, and the freedom of a person to do what they want with their own body. My belief is that a fetus is not a person, and that a person should do whatever they want with their own body as long as they don't materially harm another. Is that foolishness and putting my faith in degrees? I don't think so, I think it's just a different worldview than yours.
In my opinion the problem with Evan's post is not that it claims the man was ignorant of the Bible or of scriptural teaching, but that it discards out of hand this man's learning, hard work, and experience. Christians are often hurt that people discard Christian knowledge, scoff at the Bible, and laugh at the time and effort Christians spend learning and studying, but then those same Christians turn around and mock or minimize the learning of another. Claiming "my knowledge is important and yours is not" is nothing more than a deada end that won't get you anywhere talking to anyone. If you don't respect someone else's effort or opinion, why should that person respect yours?
EDIT: What is the point of talking about how useless the man's degrees are? What possible bearing do his degrees have on the post here on the forum or on the spreading of the Gospel? Is the message here that Evan got an opportunity to tell a lot of people about the Gospel and that he got to debate with a man of much learning, or is the message that people who argue with Evan are dumb? It sounds, from the wording of the post, like the latter. That's not to say that was Evan's intent, but that's the way it comes off. It sounds like taking pride in discarding someone's knowledge and in "proving" himself superior. Presentation and the appearance of propriety would seem to be very important considerations for a person who is claiming to speak of absolute moral authority.
I guess I'm way past .02 and up to a few bucks now. Ah well
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Post by dale on Nov 14, 2006 10:02:21 GMT -5
I was tempted to make some kind of Superguirl wisecrack, but I am going to resist temptation and not do so.
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Post by supergirl79 on Nov 19, 2006 0:09:24 GMT -5
I was tempted to make some kind of Superguirl wisecrack, but I am going to resist temptation and not do so. Very wise choice, otherwise I would have had to use my superpowers on you and that would not have been very pretty...and just incase you were wondering, yes, I wear Chuck Norris pjs.
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Post by mahatma on Nov 19, 2006 0:51:07 GMT -5
Be careful Dale...if Supergirl is related to Chuck Norris, then if you say something mean and make her cry, even one tear will be enough to flood your entire state and drown your whole family. Of course, that would never happen sinced nobody related to Chuck Norris has ever cried throughought history.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Nov 19, 2006 1:15:35 GMT -5
Be careful Dale...if Supergirl is related to Chuck Norris, then if you say something mean and make her cry, even one tear will be enough to flood your entire state and drown your whole family. Of course, that would never happen sinced nobody related to Chuck Norris has ever cried throughought history. That's right... Ever. Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door.
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Post by supergirl79 on Nov 19, 2006 18:21:38 GMT -5
I also hear that Chuck Norris has counted to infinity, twice.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Nov 20, 2006 0:34:04 GMT -5
The boogey man checks his closet at night for Chuck Norris before going to bed.
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Post by eric on Nov 20, 2006 8:06:29 GMT -5
Chuck Norris is born again.
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Post by supergirl79 on Nov 20, 2006 11:18:10 GMT -5
When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.
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Post by mahatma on Nov 20, 2006 12:26:31 GMT -5
Chuck Norris is born again. Eric, a while back I posted a link to his first blog post in World Net Daily. I'm not sure where the link is, but if you're interested you might want to look up his column. One imagines that for a Christian some of it could make inspirational reading
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Post by Miles Lewis on Nov 20, 2006 22:32:44 GMT -5
I liked reading that article you posted about Chuck Norris, it was good.
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