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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 15, 2006 11:03:44 GMT -5
Are you an adulterer if you remarry someone other than who you were married to before, no matter what the circumstances?
If a person is remarried to someone else other than the first and they want to turn to Jesus, do they have to leave the 2nd wife/husband to actually repent?
When we go out on Friday nights we run into some guys that are very close to what they Anabaptist were, which is something like Mennonites. They push this very hard. What do you guys think?
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Post by ejuliot on Feb 15, 2006 14:00:07 GMT -5
2Co 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 1Co 7:17-24 "But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God." I don't want to take these verses out of context but I believe that when someone is born again all things are new and the old is passed away. The marriage is new and the old marriage is passed away. 1 Corinthians 7 says that "wherein he is called, therein abide with God" I know this is talking about servants but ...if you are going to leave your 2nd husband then you might as well get rid of those kids that were born from the second husband too. If you leave the second husband and he marries then you just caused him to commit adultery. Then because you were with the 2nd husband if you ever remarry you commit adultery even if you marry the person you were first married to. Should that person remain unmarried forever? Well, in 1 Corinthians 7 it says that if an unsaved husband leaves a saved wife then she can remarry. Is that adultery. I truly believe that ALL things are made new. I fell into the trap of thinking I had to totally change everything in my life after I got saved. I wanted to quit school and just start over. God gave me that passage and really spoke to me and said, "stay where you are." He made my life new even though the circumstances and situations I was in where exactly the same. I hope that makes a little sense. I haven't had much rest so my brain is a little fried.
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Post by josh on Feb 15, 2006 14:27:16 GMT -5
This is one of those topics that is often debated within Christian circles.
Its is my take based on Luke 16:18 that it is in fact adultery. Remarriage according to Christ is a sin.
But that raises a question what if some was divorced, and remarried before becoming a Christian. Once someone is born again, they are a new creation, so the old has passed away, and I believe that also includes the adultery of the remarriage.
Because in any marriage covenant there has to be three parts: 1) God, 2) Man, 3) Woman. Before salvation God is missing from the marriage, but at conversion God becomes the head of the covenant.
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Post by evangelista on Feb 15, 2006 14:44:14 GMT -5
The bible clearly states in 1 Cor. 7:10-11 that:
"To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife."
Also, in Mark 10:11-12 "So He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” Luke 16:18 says "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery."
So, according to scripture it would seem that remarriage is committing adultery, unless of course, the person dies. Hope that helps.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 15, 2006 15:16:47 GMT -5
ejuliot, most that hold the view I asked about will say that whole marriage wasn't really a marriage but an adulterous relationship. Just as if you were married and slept with a prostitute and have a child.
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The question boils down to what does God see as marriage? Most would agree that it's not merely sex, or you would be married to the first person you slept with. And then some would say that man doesn't decide who is or isn't married because man will allow you to be married as many times as you want and will only "see" you married to the one you were last married to.
I guess you have to break it down to "what is a marriage?"
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 15, 2006 15:18:44 GMT -5
Josh,
Have they repented if they are still in the adulterous relationship?
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Post by ejuliot on Feb 15, 2006 18:09:32 GMT -5
that is interesting. Let me think about it.
This is Marriage: Gen 2:24-25 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed."
Mar 10:6-9 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
This is not marriage but adultery, the only difference I can see between the two is that the man left the parents in a marriage...I don't know...Help me out. 1Co 6:15-20 "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."
I think the context of this chapter is really inportant... 1Co 7:10-27 "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
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Post by ejuliot on Feb 15, 2006 18:12:47 GMT -5
I KNOW, DAVID AND BATHSHEBA! David did not leave Bathsheba and yet he repented of his sin in Psalm 51!
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 24, 2006 10:54:19 GMT -5
The reason I was asking it because when I go out on Friday nights there are some guys that have signs and they press this doctrine a lot. That is, if you have remarried even before you want to get right with God, you have to leave the 2nd mate, or you are still in an adultrous relationship.
I don't agree with that. I seem to lean to the same direction and explanation that Josh did.
They would agrue you can't be born again if you are still in sin.
Do you guys ever run into conflicting doctrines when you are out? How do you handle it? I don't mean ones who are blatantly not Christian, but like as in this case. I remember once I was witnessing to a guy that just got out of jail. He admitted that he was in sin and out to party that night. A man that was close by playing a guitar and singing hymns. I'm assuming the guy does jail ministry because he said, "I remember you from the jail. I remember when you got saved." And then the man went on to reafirm that the man was saved. In this case the "guitar guy" was saying once saved always saved. Which it is a mute point because I don't think the guy was ever saved in the first place!
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 24, 2006 22:23:01 GMT -5
I run into people with different doctrines at times as well...I guess my advice would be that you have to pick your battles bro. If you mind the doctrine important enough (someones eternity counts on it-like the guy who was "saved") then go for it, otherwise let it go for the sake of not being divisive amongst unbelievers. Believe me unbelievers love to see believers quarreling over things. As far as divorce is concerned, how can you go back to the first spouse if they won't take you back? Repentance always requires follow-up (like Zaccheus paying back four-fold), but it can only go so far sometimes. What if you stole from someone, but they died before you got saved, so you can't give it back? Plus, you don't get divorced again to try to save the first divorce.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Feb 25, 2006 10:28:03 GMT -5
I haven't had to debate much theology with believers on the street. I've ran into a couple that have studied theology extensively, but they were cussing in the same breath. One guy said, "Yeah, I'm studying to be a missionary so I can get out of this *&^*& country!"
They would say that if the old spouse wouldn't take you back, you should just remain unmarried. To boil down there view in a couple sentences:
You are married to the first person you are married to unless death separates you. If you can't remain with them, you need to just stay single. Any other marriage for any reason is sin. I think they see divorce as just a separation. In their mind, even if you are divorced you are still bound to them.
Their view on "except for the cause of fornication," is probably different from ours. Most would say that means if the spouse cheats on you and leaves you can divorce. They say, the only rightful divorce would be if that one left and married another. Then that person could divorce and go back to the first if they repented. But that makes no sense! If in their view they were really never "married" to the 2nd.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 22, 2006 17:32:30 GMT -5
This is an old thread I created a long time ago. Any new thoughts? Below I posted an article from ConsumingFireFellowship.org What do you think?
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Divorce and Remarriage
Divorce and remarriage is an area of intense controversy among Christians. It is admittedly a difficult and complex issue. Doctrinal positions on this issue range from "no divorce, no remarriage under any circumstances" to "divorce for any cause." We, at Consuming Fire Fellowship, offer this concise doctrinal statement which we feel reflects the spirit and letter of Scripture regarding this issue.
Marriage Is A Lifetime Contract In The Purpose of God.
Genesis 2:24 speaks of the man and woman “cleaving” to each other and "becoming one flesh." Thus, breaking a marriage is like rending the body apart.
The marriage contract is intended to be binding until death (I Corinthians 7:39).
Marriage is symbolic of Christ and His Church (Ephesians 5:31,32) who are bound together in an indissoluble union.
Divorce Is Sin And Should Never Be Practiced By Christians.
Malachi 2:16 says that the Lord hates divorce; the Lord Jesus reaffirms this in Matthew 19:3-9 (what "God hath joined together, let not man put asunder").
Nevertheless, should Christians be innocently abandoned and divorced by their spouses there is little they can do in our licentious and Christ-rejecting culture.
The Exception Clause: For Fornication.
The Lord Jesus names "fornication" as grounds for remarriage after one has been divorced (Matthew 19:3-9). However, what does our Lord mean when using the term "fornication?" The Greek word "pornea" translated "fornication" in Matthew 19 and Luke is used elsewhere in Scripture to denote "harlotry" (Luke 15:30); "incestuous relationships" (I Corinthians 5:1); "sodomite relationships" (Jude 1:7); "betrothal unfaithfulness" (Deuteronomy 22:13-21); and "marital unfaithfulness" (Proverbs 7:10-20; Hosea 2:2; Jeremiah 3:6-9; Ezekiel 16:28-34; 23:43-45), where adultery and fornication are used synonymously.
As shown above, the restricting of "fornication" to mean only "betrothal unfaithfulness" is to ignore its usage in other parts of the Bible.
Certainly, when Jesus cites "fornication" as an exception to His divine principles regarding divorce and remarriage He cannot be referring to single acts of sin. Why? Because elsewhere the Bible instructs Christians to forgive and to seek reconciliation, to love our enemies, and to even pray for those who despitefully use us. Therefore, we are of the opinion that what is meant in these passages refers to "perpetual adultery," or, being deserted by a spouse who then remarries another, thus committing continual adultery. There is no command in the Bible that marriage must be broken off for fornication or any other sin. There is a better course -- to forgive, and be reconciled (as in Hosea 1-3).
Desertion By An Unbeliever.
Desertion of a believing mate is addressed by the Apostle Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians (I Corinthians 7:15). The Apostle states that the believing mate "is not under bondage" in such cases. Again, we are of the opinion, based on the totality of Scripture, that "desertion" here refers to being abandoned, divorced, and the offending party remarrying another. Under these conditions the deserted Christian is not bound to the marriage contract.. This situation is in direct contrast to that of I Corinthians 7:11, where the "separated" believer is bound to the spouse. The same root word ("bound" or "bondage") is used in I Corinthians 7:27,39 where it refers to the marriage contract. Moreover, the incentive to remain with the unbelieving partner (i.e., that the unbelieving partner is sanctified by the unbelieving spouse) is nullified when the unbelieving partner deserts.
Two Christians joined in wedlock do not have grounds for divorce outside of fornication. Allowance is made for "separation," but there is no allowance for divorce ("putting away") or remarriage ("let her remain unmarried"). The reason stated is that the door must always be open for "reconciliation."
Scriptural Divorce Gives a Right To Remarry.
Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 24:1,2 which clearly states that a right to divorce means a right to remarry (Matthew 19:8).
Since a Scriptural divorce is a dissolution of marriage, the Scripturally divorced person is an unmarried person. When a former partner marries, the other party is automatically freed from the bonds of that marriage, regardless of where the guilt lies, and thus is free to remarry.
Remarriage is not permitted for desertion of a believer by a believer, unless the deserting party remarries (thus committing adultery and breaking the marriage bond).
Remarriage is not permitted in the absence of fornication or desertion of a believer by a believer where the divorced partner is still living.
Remarriage is permitted when a former divorced partner is deceased.
Moral Failure, When Duly Repented Of, Cannot Bar The Offended From Fellowship.
When a person comes to Christ, he is forgiven of all failures in life, moral or otherwise (II Corinthians 5:17). Human obligations may continue, however. If he is divorced and remarried before salvation, he should remain in that new marriage, since to remarry the former spouse (even if possible) would be an abomination (Deuteronomy 24:3,4). If he is divorced without Scriptural cause and has not remarried and his spouse is not remarried, he may be reconciled to the former spouse or remain unmarried.
Unscripturally divorced persons or unscripturally remarried persons should not be barred from church fellowship if there is clear evidence of repentance.
The right hand of fellowship may be denied for those who deliberately obtain an unscriptural divorce or remarriage against counsel. When considering a divorced person for an official church position, the Elders must weight the facts of each case in order to determine eligibility.
Sanctity of Marriage.
We are as fully committed to the sacred character of marital commitments as other believers. We join with them in deploring the high divorce rate and the disintegration of family life. Our view of the Scriptures is not a careless yielding to the spirit of modern life, but a conscientious examination of the entire teaching of God's Word on this subject. Let us hope our Scriptural conscience is respected by those of differing views.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 22, 2006 17:38:46 GMT -5
This is interesting to see in Jewish culture....
The Jews have it that a woman "is loosed from the law of her husband" by only one of two things: death or a letter of divorce; hence Rom_7:2-3. - Alfred Edersheim, D. D., Ph. D.
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Post by tbxi on Nov 22, 2006 20:27:53 GMT -5
I fell into the trap of thinking I had to totally change everything in my life after I got saved. I wanted to quit school and just start over. God gave me that passage and really spoke to me and said, "stay where you are." He made my life new even though the circumstances and situations I was in where exactly the same. This is quite an old post but this is EXACTLY the problem I went through shortly after salvation... I'm glad to see somebody else out there went through something like it... I had this weird urge to just "drop everything", quit school, quit my job, even though that would have been very foolish. Per the marriage-remarriage thing... somebody above showed where there are cases for biblical divorce and remarriage. I would line up with that. It is acceptable in certain situations, just not very many.
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Post by biblethumper on Nov 22, 2006 20:34:22 GMT -5
People quote Christ in the Old Covenant (pre-Cross) when referring to divorce and remarriage... so, I wanted to also quote the Old Covenant also....
Josh, if you divorce your spouse you CANNOT remarry that same spouse!
Deuteronomy 24:3-4 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.
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Post by Rodgers on Nov 22, 2006 20:36:15 GMT -5
Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
Basically it says do not divorce and then re-marry the same person because in doing so you will cause the land to sin.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 22, 2006 21:41:43 GMT -5
That's right Thumper.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Nov 22, 2006 23:13:22 GMT -5
Dan said:
I think the key here is divorcing, remarrying, and then divorcing that person in order to return to the first. That is wrong. I don't think that divorcing and then reconciling is a sin as long as the person had not been remarried in the time of separation.
Am I wrong here?
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Post by biblethumper on Nov 22, 2006 23:48:06 GMT -5
Miles, that interpretation cannot hold water in light of Deuteronomy 24:3-4...it doesn't give an exception, but states plainly that to remarry your spouse after DIVORCE (not divorce and remarriage, but diviorce) is sin.... it states specifically that even if the husband DIES (whihc freed the marriage partner) that NO remarriage to the intial husband may be sought as it would be sin.
Deuteronomy 24:3-4 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Nov 22, 2006 23:57:23 GMT -5
Miles, that interpretation cannot hold water in light of Deuteronomy 24:3-4...it doesn't give an exception, but states plainly that to remarry your spouse after DIVORCE (not divorce and remarriage, but diviorce) is sin.... it states specifically that even if the husband DIES (whihc freed the marriage partner) that NO remarriage to the intial husband may be sought as it would be sin. Deuteronomy 24:3-4 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. It says, "after that she is defiled", dosn't that mean married to another? I could be wrong. What do the verses about reconciliation mean?
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Post by tonyholland on Nov 23, 2006 0:07:24 GMT -5
This is interesting. Is it possible that this is a old covenant/new covenant issue? Was Divorce a sin in the Old Testament?
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 23, 2006 13:27:33 GMT -5
I agree with you. It's pretty plain in the other verses Thumper quoted there is a 2nd husband involved.
I miss read what thumper was saying because when I seen those verses my mind immediately went to the situation of having remarried another spouse and going back to the first.
If there is a 'latter husband' then obviously there had to be a former husband, hence the rest of the verse.
Divorce was allowed for "uncleaness" but this was only because of the hardness of their hearts. God never intended there to be divorce.
Maybe that is why God didn't make Eve and Evona and say if you get tired of Eve, just go to Evona.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 23, 2006 13:52:33 GMT -5
From my understanding there were two main schools of thought of what "uncleanness"meant. The Hillel side said for any reason. Some of these may range from bad cooking (such as over salting it!) to talking to a man in the street like you knew him. The other side was Shammai which believed the only reason you could divorce was sleeperdom.
It was a hot topic at the time of Jesus.
Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
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Post by biblethumper on Nov 23, 2006 14:04:30 GMT -5
Miles, that interpretation cannot hold water in light of Deuteronomy 24:3-4...it doesn't give an exception, but states plainly that to remarry your spouse after DIVORCE (not divorce and remarriage, but diviorce) is sin.... it states specifically that even if the husband DIES (whihc freed the marriage partner) that NO remarriage to the intial husband may be sought as it would be sin. Deuteronomy 24:3-4 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. It says, "after that she is defiled", dosn't that mean married to another? I could be wrong. What do the verses about reconciliation mean? The verses about reconcilliation that you refer to (Pauline Writ) speaks of the spouse leaving and remaining UNmarried or reconciling; however, if divorce has taken place, Scripture is clear that you CANNOT go back to your first spouse as Deuteronomy clearly points out; such a return is not warranted by Scripture.
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Post by biblethumper on Nov 23, 2006 14:06:16 GMT -5
I agree with you. It's pretty plain in the other verses Thumper quoted there is a 2nd husband involved. I miss read what thumper was saying because when I seen those verses my mind immediately went to the situation of having remarried another spouse and going back to the first. If there is a 'latter husband' then obviously there had to be a former husband, hence the rest of the verse. Divorce was allowed for "uncleaness" but this was only because of the hardness of their hearts. God never intended there to be divorce. Maybe that is why God didn't make Eve and Evona and say if you get tired of Eve, just go to Evona. Correct, brother Josh.. there is a latter husband in the verse. Note, though, that the latter husband is speoken of as deceased, not alive; thsi brings the issue into clearer understanding
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Post by biblethumper on Nov 23, 2006 14:07:49 GMT -5
PS: Just as a side note, I'm not sold on any view here... The issue is something I take great interest in, and I admit I have my own understanding, yet I'm not saying I'm 100% correct here... I don;t want to stand before God and have Him judge me for mis-interpreting His Word and COMMANDING men to obey what "I" say is correct!
God forbid!
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 23, 2006 14:13:47 GMT -5
I don't believe Jesus was instituting anything altogether new, but clarifying the law. Here are some more examples of this. Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his behind, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
I've been trying to study the Sermon on the Mount a little. I've been trying to put it together to see what exatuly has "changed" from OT to NT other than the "law of commandments contained in ordinances."(Eph 2:15)
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 23, 2006 14:16:18 GMT -5
Deu 24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; OR if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
This is the lone situation of someone marrying, divorcing, marrying again (latter husband) and going back to the (former) spouse. That is an abomination. Regardless if the latter husband is dead or alive.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Nov 23, 2006 15:43:59 GMT -5
I know some that believe that you cannot ever remarry say that God does not see the 2nd "marriage" a real marriage but rather an "adulterous relationship." And to become right with God you have to break the relationship off. I was thinking about the verse below shows how God does see the 2nd marriage a real marriage. Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
Jesus said that she had had 5 husbands the one she is with at the moment is not her husband. he didn't say you have had one husband and 5 adulterous relationships. Then you have the situation with Herod and his brothers wife. Mat 14:3 For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife. Mat 14:4 For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her. Josephus says that this marriage of Herod Antipas with Herodias took place while he was on a journey to Rome. He stopped at his brother’s; fell in love with his wife; agreed to put away his own wife, the daughter of Aretas, King of Petraea; and Herodias agreed to leave her own husband and live with him. (from Barnes Note's on the Bible) That was surely a wicked and unlawful thing!
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Post by biblethumper on Nov 23, 2006 15:59:07 GMT -5
Josephus is hardly an authority; he was a traitor to his own people, the Jess.
his own writings are disputable and have been disputed by the best of scholars.
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