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Post by biblethumper on May 13, 2006 9:36:35 GMT -5
The word "sanctify" usually means to the student of the English Bible God's act of bringing a believer to a certain state of holiness in his life. But in Hebrews 10:14, for example, the Greek word used for "sanctify" is hagiazo. The basic idea in this word is the act of setting apart; it concerns position, not experience. Therefore this expanded translation has: "...for by one offering He has brought to completion forever those who are set apart for God and His service." philologos.org/GUIDE/books/wuest.kenneth.htmajgia>zw- "I sanctify." Word basically means "set apart." Be careful about loading it with theologicalsignificance and then forcing the passage to fit the word. Context must determine what the person or thing is set apart to. te>lov or te>leiovandteleio>w- commonly translated "perfect." No word in Greek means "perfect" in the sense our English word does (without imperfection). Greek word refers to what is complete or has come to its end. www.gracebiblechurch.us/grammar.pdfTHE DOCTRINE OF SANCTIFICATION 16. Sanctification. The word sanctify has two meanings: it signifies to consecrate, to separate from an earthlyand common use, and to devote or dedicate to God and His service. It also signifies to make holyor pure. In the process of making holy, sanctification is that gradual work of grace in theregenerated soul which precedes and leads up to entire sanctification. It is two-fold: (1.) "To make sacred or holy, to set apart in a holy or religious use, to consecrate byappropriate rites, to hallow." (2.) To make free from sin, to cleanse from moral corruption and pollution, to purify. (John17 :17). "Especially (Theol.) the act of God's grace by which the affections of men are purified oralienated from sin and the world, and exalted to a supreme love to God." -- Webster's Dictionary. Sanctify -- "To make holy or clean, either ceremonially or morally and spiritually; to purifyor free from sin... In Theology, the act of God's grace by which the affections of men are purifiedand the soul is cleansed from sin and consecrated to God; conformity of the heart and life to thewill of God." -- Century Dictionary. www.raptureready.com/resource/wiseman/S4C4.html
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Post by Jules on May 13, 2006 13:47:04 GMT -5
Rebecca, what is your interpretation of what predestination means? I don't think we are thinking the same thing, but perhaps we are.
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Post by biblethumper on May 13, 2006 14:42:07 GMT -5
Here;s a Question:
If Sanctification were instant, then wouldn;t calvinism be 100% correct?
Yes, we are sanctified, made free from sin, set apart at conversion.
However, in the Wesleyan vein, Calvinism would be perfectly compatible.
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Post by biblethumper on May 13, 2006 17:26:27 GMT -5
Here's the Greek:
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words Only one word found: Sanctification, Sanctify
Cross-references:
* Also found in Nave's Topical Bible * Also found in Easton's Bible Dictionary
Sanctification, Sanctify A. Noun
1. hagiasmos
B. Verb
1. hagiazo
A1. Sanctification, Sanctify [Noun]
hagiasmos "sanctification," is used of (a) separation to God, 1Cor, 1_Cor_1:30; 2_Thess_2:13; 1_Pet_1:2 (b) the course of life befitting those so separated, 1_Thess_4:3,4,7; Rom_6:19,22; 1_Tim_2:15; Heb_12:14. "Sanctification is that relationship with God into which men enter by faith in Christ, Acts_26:18; 1_Cor_6:11, and to which their sole title is the death of Christ, Eph_5:25,26: Col_1:22; Heb_10:10,29; Heb_13:12.
"Sanctification is also used in NT of the separation of the believer from evil things and ways. This sanctification is God's will for the believer, 1_Thess_4:3, and His purpose in calling him by the gospel, 1_Thess_4:7; it must be learned from God, 1_Thess_4:4, as He teaches it by His Word, John_17:17,19; cp. Psalm_17:4; Psalm_119:9, and it must be pursued by the believer, earnestly and undeviatingly, 1_Tim_2:15; Heb_12:14. For the holy character, hagiosune, 1_Thess_3:13, is not vicarious, i.e., it cannot be transferred or imputed, it is an individual possession, built up, little by little, as the result of obedience to the Word of God, and of following the example of Christ, Matt_11:29; John_13:15; Eph_4:20; Php_2:5, in the power of the Holy Spirit, Rom_8:13; Eph_3:16.
"The Holy Spirit is the Agent in sanctification, Rom_15:16; 2_Thess_2:13; 1_Pet_1:2; cp. 1_Cor_6:11. ... The sanctification of the Spirit is associated with the choice, or election, of God; it is a Divine act preceding the acceptance of the Gospel by the individual." [ From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp. 115,271.]
For synonymous words see HOLINESS.
See also : hagiasmos in other topics
B1. Sanctification, Sanctify [Verb]
hagiazo "to sanctify," "is used of (a) the gold adorning the Temple and of the gift laid on the altar, Matt_23:17,19; (b) food, 1_Tim_4:5; (c) the unbelieving spouse of a believer, 1_Cor_7:14; (d) the ceremonial cleansing of the Israelites, Heb_9:13; (e) the Father's Name, Luke_11:2; (f) the consecration of the Son by the Father, John_10:36; (g) the Lord Jesus devoting Himself to the redemption of His people, John_17:19; (h) the setting apart of the believer for God, Acts_20:32; cp. Rom_15:16; (i) the effect on the believer of the Death of Christ, Heb_10:10, said of God, and Heb_2:11; Heb_13:12, said of the Lord Jesus; (j) the separation of the believer from the world in his behavior -- by the Father through the Word, John_17:17,19; (k) the believer who turns away from such things as dishonor God and His gospel, 2_Tim_2:21; (l) the acknowledgment of the Lordship of Christ, 1_Pet_3:15. "Since every believer is sanctified in Christ Jesus, 1_Cor_1:2, cp. Heb_10:10, a common NT designation of all believers is 'saints,' hagioi, i.e., 'sanctified' or 'holy ones.' Thus sainthood, or sanctification, is not an attainment, it is the state into which God, in grace, calls sinful men, and in which they begin their course as Christians, Col_3:12; Heb_3:1." * [* From Notes on Thessalonians,
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Post by rebecca01 on May 13, 2006 17:47:48 GMT -5
Jules, Predestination to me means that God knows are end.He knows everything even the end of the world.I don't believe God was caught by surprise when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden.That's the beauty of it.God was willing to risk it all so that He could have a people to Himself that would choose Him not because they didn't have a choice but because they did have a choice. The angels in that are in heaven now---even they had a choice but a third of them fell and the rest choose God.I can't prove this but God allowed something to happen in heaven that would give the angels a choice.The first to fall was Lucifer and then he brought the other third with him.God wants to be worshipped and its all in His plan.Nothing catches God by surprise!!!
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Post by evanschaible on May 14, 2006 9:10:23 GMT -5
To an extent, and only on this particular point. Sanctification at conversion begins in a way that gradually brings belivers out of sin and into holiness. But at any point, whether at the altar at the same time as conversion, or later in life, the blessing of entire sanctificationcan be attained, or Christian Perfection.
This is the reason John Wesley expressley stated that anyone who does not teach the doctrine of perfection (the ability to not sin) cannot be a Methodist preacher. Why? Because it is a blessing that can be instantly attained by a simple prayer of faith, and lived out from that point forward.
I am not at all familiar with the Calvinist view of sanctification because even when I was in that camp I studied John Wesley and Samuel Chadwicks view of it.
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Post by biblethumper on May 14, 2006 11:27:47 GMT -5
Wait a moment.... there are people who teach you can receive an experience of "perfection"?
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Post by evanschaible on May 14, 2006 11:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by biblethumper on May 14, 2006 12:15:50 GMT -5
I have all of Wesley's writings.... I see I also have this title, so yeah, all of them I think I'm interested now!
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Post by Jesse Morrell on May 17, 2006 14:45:00 GMT -5
There is an "absolute perfection" which belongs only to God. But there is a "Christian perfection" which is found in Christ. Then there is a perfection we do not have yet, which is glorification. The first is the salvation from the practice of sin, the latter is salvation from the presence of sin.
Scriptures:
Mt 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."
Lu 6:40 - The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Joh 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
1Co 2:6 - Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
2Co 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
2Co 13:11 - Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
Php 3:15 - Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Col 1:28 - Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 4:12 - Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.
1Th 3:10 - Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
2Ti 3:17 - That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Heb 13:21 - Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Jas 1:4 - But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
1Jo 4:17 - Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Books:
A Plain Account of Christian Perfection by John Wesley
A Call To Christian Perfection by Samuel Chadwhick
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Post by biblethumper on May 17, 2006 15:23:57 GMT -5
ahhhh.... yes, from the PRACTICE of sin.. if that is the sanctification being presented, then that is given to all of us at conversion, regardless of doctrinal understanding.... I have wesley's writings, so I'm now going to pick up a plain account of christian perfection seems interesting so i'm going to study it.. On a side note, a holiness Pentecostal (PAOC) warned of anyone claiming we CANNOT sin, as the doctrine of "we're gods" apparently sprung from that idea.
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