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Post by Morluna on Apr 26, 2006 9:18:47 GMT -5
Just letting the fellow "sinners" and "heathens" know that Valentine and I are both taking part in the national Day of Silence to support those in the LGBTQ community who have been lived in silence out of fear. We are under a 24 vow of silence ending at midnight tonight. (I'll have to break for a couple of hours while I'm on the job... le sigh...) If anyone would like to join us, please do. It's easy... just keep ya mouth shut today! xD J/K... For more info go to - Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network
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Post by Miles Lewis on Apr 26, 2006 9:26:25 GMT -5
You know I wont keep my mouth shut. Today at 11:00 am I plan on lifting my voice crying aloud and sparing not to show this people their sins. I bet I just might be able to get some homosexuals to break their silence or at least make some signs and banners for(against) us.
I call this a "Day of Silence No More" about the truth of homosexuality.
BTW, what does the Q stand for in LGBTQ?
Miles
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Post by Grant on Apr 26, 2006 9:34:30 GMT -5
And Miles knows how they just wont tollerate his lack of tollerance! (ironic, isn't it?)
If love grips us as it should, we couldn't be quiet when the concequences are so great. Knowing the fear of the LORD we persuade men. GOD bless your day, Miles.
Sorry, this wasn't meant to hijack the thread, Morluna. I do appreciate your sincere heart for others, though, and do hope the best for you, sincerely.
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Post by Jules on Apr 26, 2006 10:21:32 GMT -5
Miles - you so crack me up! Preach it brother! Morluna, I agree with Grant, your heart for others is a challenge to me. I am so glad you are here on the boards, and I the Lord is teaching me much from talking with you and others like Valentine and Trekker. Wow...silence for an entire day??? My big mouth could never stand that. But I do have to confess I have been convicted lately of being slow to speak and quick to listen - that also applies on the boards. I am always praying that my words will not be idle or in the flesh..although it is a constant battle for us women to reign in the tongue
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Post by valentine on Apr 26, 2006 13:13:34 GMT -5
Yep, I'm doing this, too, though I have also spoken out of necessity (important phone call).
Miles, the "Q" stands for "questioning." And no, you don't have to be homosexual to participate in this event. As I believe I've said before, I'm kind of asexual, actually.
I dunno, Jules, I know some men who couldn't shut up if their lives depended on it. More than some, actually. And I'm pretty quiet if I'm not leading. This actually hasn't been that difficult for me. Though if I couldn't use AIM, I'd never make it.
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Post by messengermicah on Apr 26, 2006 16:00:33 GMT -5
I also plan on lifting up my voice against the sin of homosex on this day of silence.
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Post by hopefulheart on Apr 26, 2006 19:37:10 GMT -5
Sorry girls, I missed this post until it was far too late to make much of a difference, hehe ^_^;;
Today is also an interesting day for another reason... I was just asked to serve as President next year for my Baptist university's Straight-Gay Alliance. I think I'm going to accept. After all, the administration literally invited us to reform. And if I don't do it, I don't know who else will. Next year will be even more busy than this one, I think
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 26, 2006 19:38:35 GMT -5
While today was the national day of silence, we at Georgia Tech particpated early so that it would not conflict with our last week of classes, dubbed "dead week." The GT day of silence occurred on April 11, 2006. At the end of the day, we had a "breaking the silence rally." Particpants were invited to speak about their experiences, why they did it, or how they were affected by it. My remarks follow.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 26, 2006 20:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by hopefulheart on Apr 26, 2006 20:28:37 GMT -5
Wow, Trekker, that's inspiring <3
Jesse: It's almost too bad that my campus is private... your hate speech wouldn't be welcomed, you know?
Hmm.... maybe I'll see if I can help you to arrange something, though. Can't guarantee and plans at this point, however.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 26, 2006 20:36:22 GMT -5
What campus is it? I'll gladly deliver a hate/love speech on it. That is, a message of hating sin and loving God.
Typically a private campus requires sponsorship from a student group.
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Post by Jules on Apr 26, 2006 23:59:10 GMT -5
WOO HOO! You go guys! I LOVE the hat Miles and Jesse - way cool. Reminds me of the ol' preachers of days past. I bet you guys almost made more than a few homosexuals want to break thier silence. Talk about temptation! Raise your voices and press on...when are you coming to Texas again?
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Post by Morluna on Apr 27, 2006 0:56:59 GMT -5
I like the guy with the sign that says, "Btw I'm not a girl I have a p-e-n-i-s." xD
Why is that guy jumping on a pogo stick? O_o
Man... having you guys here on the Day of Silence would have been awesome. I'd just stand there with my sign and not have to say a word. Looks like you had some good strong "hecklers." Yay.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 27, 2006 2:52:11 GMT -5
I bet you guys almost made more than a few homosexuals want to break thier silence. Talk about temptation! Raise your voices and press on...when are you coming to Texas again? Yes, I'm sure you did make many of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, trangendered, questioning persons and their allies want to break their silence. Every day of my life, I was tempted to break my silence, but I never had the courage. Finally, I did break my silence, and many people noticed. The day of silence, however, is not about speaking out. It is about symbolizing the silencing of before, the silencing of now. It is a symbol of empowerment, it is a symbol of solidarity, it is a symbol of love. The silence of those participants was far more powerful than anything that you could have said. Sometimes the lack of words is more moving than their presence. On the Day of Silence, my melody could not be heard by anyone. It was not heard by my family, my friends, my colleagues, my classmates. On the Day of Silence, our campus, our city, our world lacked the beautiful harmonies of many of its most corageous musicians. Today, I lift high my true song! I will not be silenced; now is not a time of decrescendo, it is a time of fortisimo! Sing out, dear friends. Your song is only a song if you sing it. Now it is my turn to make those homosexuals want break their silence. It is my turn to help them overcome the prejudices and misconceptions that rob them of their voices. I can provide no greater temptation than living a life of fulfilment and happiness openly and contentedly as my whole self.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 27, 2006 5:19:11 GMT -5
I bet you guys almost made more than a few homosexuals want to break thier silence. Talk about temptation! Raise your voices and press on...when are you coming to Texas again? Yes, I'm sure you did make many of the gay, lesbian, bisexual, trangendered, questioning persons and their allies want to break their silence. Every day of my life, I was tempted to break my silence, but I never had the courage. Finally, I did break my silence, and many people noticed. The day of silence, however, is not about speaking out. It is about symbolizing the silencing of before, the silencing of now. It is a symbol of empowerment, it is a symbol of solidarity, it is a symbol of love. The silence of those participants was far more powerful than anything that you could have said. Sometimes the lack of words is more moving than their presence. On the Day of Silence, my melody could not be heard by anyone. It was not heard by my family, my friends, my colleagues, my classmates. On the Day of Silence, our campus, our city, our world lacked the beautiful harmonies of many of its most corageous musicians. Today, I lift high my true song! I will not be silenced; now is not a time of decrescendo, it is a time of fortisimo! Sing out, dear friends. Your song is only a song if you sing it. Now it is my turn to make those homosexuals want break their silence. It is my turn to help them overcome the prejudices and misconceptions that rob them of their voices. I can provide no greater temptation than living a life of fulfilment and happiness openly and contentedly as my whole self. Preach it baby! Yes. Nothing you guys could say would make a stronger impact than the silence displayed yesterday by the students around the nation and the world. Trekker is right, the Day of Silence is not about speaking out and arguing our position. It is about memorializing those who have been silenced in the past, and honoring those who are still silenced today.
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Post by valentine on Apr 27, 2006 16:15:13 GMT -5
Trekker: Preach it long and hard! ;D
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Post by Morluna on Apr 27, 2006 17:22:54 GMT -5
Yes Val... we all enjoy a day of long hard preaching. Especially those hot days so you get all good and sweaty while you're preaching... yeah. That's the best. Suffering for Christ at it's finest when you can get all hot and wet. Always makes me feel like I'm working extra hard.
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Post by HDmatt on Apr 27, 2006 22:28:17 GMT -5
Romans 1:27 And likewise the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
If I am at Cracker Barrel(praise the Lord the times I am lol) & I then leeeeave it, it must mean (drumroll) I was there to begin with or starting out....... sooo A-you weren't born wanting to have relations with your own gender, you chose, as sickening it is to think about, but still its a choice. B-it is against nature, or 'the natural use' as the Word says, C- suffering as this day of silence commemorates is not the 'original design, or natural'. So the main point here is this. Suffering for bad choices (the choice of homosexuality, pre marital anything period or any breaking of Gods law causing whether std's or divorce etc.) has happened since the fall of man.
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Post by hopefulheart on Apr 28, 2006 0:55:06 GMT -5
Ahh, yes, Romans. I'm afraid your interpretation doesn't make sense, however. You've made the incorrect assumption that homosexuals choose to be physically attracted to the same sex. If so, that's a fun trick. Give it a try =)
This passage does say, fairly clearly to me, that the men who gave up their natural 'use' for women - their relationship, intercourse, what have you - burned in their passion. Those men, may I point out, were heterosexuals living a homosexual lifestyle.
Homosexuals, on the other hand, are 'naturally' physically attracted to the same gender. There's a genetic propensity for attraction. It happens. It's 'natural'. If they could choose, well..... again, feel free to try to be sexually aroused by something you aren't. If it works, no biggie - you can change back. If it were that simple, though, there wouldn't be much of any homosexuality today.
Long story short, heterosexuals should be heterosexuals and homosexuals should be homosexuals. Thank you for that guiding path, Book of Romans.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 28, 2006 6:57:20 GMT -5
Hopeful you took the words right out of my typing fingers. ^_^
Exactly. Heh, I don't much care for the way that's worded... "the natural use of their women." But maybe it got changed to that harsh wording through translation... anywayyyyy... the point is that what it's saying is hetero men decided to engage in homosexual lifestyles. THAT, is not natural. So they shouldn't do that. But why? What does God care who they have sex with? Personally, I would imagine (as I try and interpret the ways of the Creator, lol) that rather than it being an issue of God being revolted by it, it's that They want us to do what is natural for us, as doing otherwise can be psychologically damaging. I've seen it myself, and studies have shown... homosexual men/women who are forced into "rehabilitation programs" and what have you, and repress their natural tendencies of attraction to the same sex, suffer horrible psychological trauma. They are depressed, they are inwardly unstable, and they are generally very unhappy people. They may put on a mask for the world in an attempt to appear "healed", and they may even trick themselves into thinking they're better off, but in truth they are hurting themselves. And God doesn't want that. Hence my theory on why we have any rules laid out for us in the Bible and other holy books. They're guidelines to live by that will make our lives better and keep us safe from harm. Seeing this sort of thing happen (closets) makes me so so very sad. I know people like this and I always want to go up to them, hug them, and tell them it's okay. Sigh... unfortunately, for every loving ally like me, there are about 50 bigots like the ones on this board telling LGBTs they're going to Hell.
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Post by Grant on Apr 28, 2006 8:24:14 GMT -5
Hopefulheart: you sure are digging as deep as you can to justify sin, and you'll find one day that the Bible was clear about it, God is clear about it, and your attempts to foggy up interpretations and definitions to put your conscience at ease was wrong. And that day will come, and its a terrible thing to be in the hands of a Holy GOD as we spent our life proudly justifying our sin. Please don't continue in this fatal attempt which has temporal satisfaction but eternal consequences.
Now for discussion's sake, why don't you reference to us a place in the Bible where God says its OK to be a homosexual or that it's a natural aspect of creation? We can then give this foggy interpretation of yours more attention.
Morluna: The study you brought up doesn't surprise me, nor does AA or 12 step or any other man-centered attempt to change people's dirty heart. We don't seem to be able to change man's evil desires, though we can have some success on a minor scale at times. But the only times I've ever seen for myself a dirty rotten heart turned from the rottenness was by GOD Himself, converting the soul and giving them a new heart. And this was not only seen second-hand but in myself as well so I speak by experience, a far more real account for me than far-off studies by unknowns.
Thanks.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 28, 2006 11:50:17 GMT -5
Hopefulheart: you sure are digging as deep as you can to justify sin, No he isn't. I believe what he is doing is contesting your definition of sin. From what I understand about Hopeful, he still believes in sin, he just doesn't see the evidence you claim to see. The Bible is clear about it. Hopeful gave you biblical evidence as to why it isn't a sin. So are your attempts. Although that isn't what Hopeful was doing. Well, again, Hopeful wasn't justifying anyone's sin. His claim was that it isn't sinful. Also, you should read his earlier posts. He doesn't concern himself with punishment or reward because that would taint his motives. Hopeful believes that God is just. If he lives a good life, and God casts him into hell, well he lived a good life. If he lives a bad life, well what concern is it of his? He believes that we were given so much by God that to ask for reward is immoral. Threats of hell will not deter him. Well I'll reference a brief quote: "There are more scriptural reasons to oppose homophobia than to oppose homosexuality." -John B. Cobb. There are less than ten references to homosexual intercourse in the Bible, and there are none to homosexuality. There are 178 mentionings of the poor in the Bible. The lack of a listing stating homosexuality is not right is not proof that it is wrong. The Bible doesn't mention capitalism either. Of course, the Bible also forbids the charging of interest, which would render the banking industry inviable. I only have a short time, so I'll come back to this later, but these are some points to ponder.
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Post by Grant on Apr 28, 2006 15:47:34 GMT -5
Well, again, Hopeful wasn't justifying anyone's sin. His claim was that it isn't sinful. Also, you should read his earlier posts. He doesn't concern himself with punishment or reward because that would taint his motives. Hopeful believes that God is just. If he lives a good life, and God casts him into hell, well he lived a good life. If he lives a bad life, well what concern is it of his? He believes that we were given so much by God that to ask for reward is immoral. Threats of hell will not deter him. 1) "none are good", as the Bible says throughout. And if anyone thinks they have never lied, stollen, blasphemed, hated, lusted, covetted, etc., then they are self-righteous and call God a liar. 2) I don't believe I have said that we must repent and trust in the LORD because we fear Hell. On the contrary, we deserve Hell for our great offense to GOD and the image He created us to be in, His image. Mentioning our offenses and the horrible concequences is to open our eyes and trigger our conscience so that we may be humbled, contrite of spirit and fear His word [Is 66]. Only then are we willing to appreciate and appropriate His great gift of the Cross which leads to salvation! AMEN! Praise GOD. btw, I have read his previous posts and am aware of the points you mentioned, but unfortunately I haven't read every single post on this MB so if there's some I've missed that would have helped in this thread, I apologize. I appreciate you pointing it out, though.
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Post by HDmatt on Apr 28, 2006 16:18:30 GMT -5
Hebrews 11:25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the [glow=red,2,300]pleasures[/glow] of sin for a season;
1 Cor 6:9 ....nor homosexuals,(abusers of themselves with mankind KJV) ......shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Isaiah 21:4 My heart panted, fearfulness affrighted me: the night of my [glow=red,2,300]pleasure[/glow] hath he turned into fear unto me.
I put the meat in the middle so please chew on it! I really thought the point on leaving was rock solid morluna & trekker, i hear where you are coming from, whether genetics, psychology, upbringing etc. may affect you, it doesn't get anyone off the hook!!! chew chew chew!!! It may not be suppertime I don't know but if a biz exec who imbezzles cries at his trial my mommy hit me to hard as a child.............HE WON'T GET OFF THE HOOK! please don't base your eternity on other people or anything, repent and hold on to Christ & don't let go!
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 28, 2006 16:45:02 GMT -5
1) "none are good", as the Bible says throughout. And if anyone thinks they have never lied, stollen, blasphemed, hated, lusted, covetted, etc., then they are self-righteous and call God a liar. I don't believe that all are bad, either. Everyone is inherently good, although sometimes their actions are not. What the Bible claims about the human condition is valuable but not necessarily correct. It is only one interpretation of what it means for a human to cope with this thing we call life. The good man avoids sin because he loves virtue. If you avoid sin for any other reason, your motives are tainted. Furthermore, I don't believe that we are automatically d@mned to hell from birth. The gift of the cross was compassion, everyone can and should give it even today.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 28, 2006 16:48:34 GMT -5
Actually Matt, I don't base my eternity on anything. What I do do is live a life based on compassion as best I can.
If science proves that homosexuality is an inborn trait, that's good enough for me.
And while I don't believe in your god, if your god is just, he won't punish someone for a trait that is theirs. If your god does condemn people for that; I have no desire to worship your god.
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Post by Grant on Apr 29, 2006 1:55:08 GMT -5
Furthermore, I don't believe that we are automatically d@mned to hell from birth. Nor do I, but if we've stepped on His purpose, His creation, us and His image He created us in, to be perfect (without the minor flaws you speak of), then we've violated His purpose, His law of nature and all creation, Him directly and personally. Just one offense deserves an eternal consequence. But how many have we gone through with? 97% of Americans admit to lying on a regular basis, people get entertained by filth and watching other people's pain (real TV), and we could go on... that doesn't tell me we're inherently good. We all have fallen short of the glory of GOD and we all need to repent and trust in Jesus as our LORD and Savior. And this isn't about "coping with this thing we call life", its about personally knowing the Creator of the universe, being able to be His child in right standing with Him, able to call on Him and serve Him.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 29, 2006 9:55:29 GMT -5
It has been studied and has been disprove. I've studied the bible about it and it says it's a choice as all sins are. And of coarse God's Word has more authority then anything else.
Now, nobody chooses which temptations they will be tempted with. However everyone chooses which temptations they will obey or deny.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 29, 2006 12:03:43 GMT -5
What study? Do you have a source? I'm sorry I'm just going to need proof here because I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 29, 2006 13:19:05 GMT -5
Furthermore, I don't believe that we are automatically d@mned to hell from birth. Nor do I, but if we've stepped on His purpose, His creation, us and His image He created us in, to be perfect (without the minor flaws you speak of), then we've violated His purpose, His law of nature and all creation, Him directly and personally. Just one offense deserves an eternal consequence. So you don't believe in the virgin birth either? The entire reason, in Christian thought, that Jesus needed to be immaculately (cleanly, purely) concieved was that sin was passed down through the genetic material, which at the time was thougt to be contributed to solely by the man. Therefore, in order to be pure, the perfect sacrafice, Jesus had to be born of a virgin. Also, if God is infinite and someone finite does something miniscule to God's creation and his punishment is eternal, that just proves that God is petty. Do you love me? Then feed my sheep. Cope with the existance of God. Some people do this by blowing up abortion clinics, some busses in Jerusalem. Some by making laws, some by breaking them. Religion exists because some people need to feel that there is a higher power out there. It is about ansering that age-old question, "why?"
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