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Post by messengermicah on May 6, 2006 1:57:29 GMT -5
cervyy,
Just exactly what is your view of God and why is that your view of God?
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Post by messengermicah on May 6, 2006 1:58:41 GMT -5
Dusty,
Are you actually saying that no secularist believes in evolution?
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 6, 2006 10:40:25 GMT -5
messengermicah,
i do not know how we get here, but at least i do not pretend to know. i used to be an anthropology major before i switched to religious studies, and the one thing that i learned is that most professors are formulating new theories concerning the creation/evolution debate, and trust me, they are leaning away from the original theories of evolution. haha. nevermind, i know you will not trust me, you've already decided that WE all believe in evolution, even though i just said i did not, and that i do not know how we got here. right? will that be your next reply? you will tell me exactly what i believe and do not believe? listen, i will re-word what i said in the last post. there are still people who cling to the evolution theories of old, because i can not guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt that all secularists have come to the knowledge of newer theories.
anyway, to know for sure, you will have to be the one to do the research. no one can change your mind but you. be sure to remain objective if you commit to research... ...that is all the advice i can offer you, and as far as i am concerned:
truth is beyond us all.
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Post by messengermicah on May 6, 2006 13:20:51 GMT -5
I do some research and you are right that not "all" secularists believe in evolution. Many of them do not really believe in it but are sort of forced to because if they blow the cover they will be ousted from the respectable scientific community. However, there are many that give lip service to evolution being a "theory" but live, teach, and act as if it were fact.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 6, 2006 22:09:35 GMT -5
micah, the idiots who pay lip service to evolution are nothing but intellectual thugs, hypocrites and trolls. do not pay any attention to them. you see, there are idiots on both sides of the aisle.
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Post by messengermicah on May 6, 2006 23:13:45 GMT -5
True there are many idiots in the so called scientific community and you are right I do not pay much attention to them as far as listening to their teaching goes. However, as stupid as evolution is, the vast majority have blindly bought into it without doing any research at all of their own.
I remember last month I was preaching on a college campus and the students (none of them knew the half life of a carbon 14) insisted on telling me the earth was billions of years old because carbon dating proved it.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 7, 2006 3:19:08 GMT -5
carbon dating is inaccurate. listen, micah, i am no expert...all i know is that the sciences are changing. you do not hear updates about it, because the political community and the media waste so much valuable time on the original, outdated evolution theories and creationist theories formulated by fundamentalist christians.
however, i do want to quote you on this: "However, as stupid as evolution is, the vast majority have blindly bought into it without doing any research at all of their own."
will you admit that some believers blindly accept christianity without doing any objective research?
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Post by messengermicah on May 7, 2006 10:38:17 GMT -5
Actually, Dusty, carbon 14 dating is fairly accurate. It is the other isotope dating that is very inaccurate.
Yes, I will agree there are many professing Christians who have blindly accepted Christianity without any objective research.
However, this is not always necessary. What is considered objective research to a highly intelligent person would not be objective research to someone who has a much lower intelligence level.
It is not necessary to be an expert on everything to become a Christian. What is required is repentance and faith. Faith is based on knowledge of course. Knowledge of God.
One of the big problems with the "American brand of Christianity" (much different from biblical Christianity) is that so called "Christians" do not study (2 Timothy 2:15) to be ready to always give an answer for the hope that is in them (1 Peter 3:15).
They are lazy in their devotion to God in prayer, study, and obedience. Of course most of these people are not real Christians in the biblical sense anyway.
But you have heard all this before I assume.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 7, 2006 14:04:18 GMT -5
yup. good reply, nonetheless.
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