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Post by biblethumper on Apr 28, 2006 15:13:27 GMT -5
To debate using the faulty method, as does Valentine, of intellectual assent to facts which the agnostic/atheist individual claims do not even exist is to place onself in the position that one is worse than a fool, using the very arguments they themselves deny to Christians.
We call such individuals lost and confused, knowing nothing; they are wandering about as clouds without water, having not the Spirit of God.
Come now, you intellectual evolutionary monkeys; hold yourselves to the same standard and come to the Truth of the Gospel.
Repent and turn to Jesus Christ.
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Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 28, 2006 15:20:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry, is this a tirade, or did you want a response? Becuase if you want a response, I don't know what the prompt is, and I am not aware of the arguements of Valentine to which you refer.
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Post by dmclayton on Apr 30, 2006 9:54:48 GMT -5
you are the reason why meaningless wars are started, and how millions are slaughtered in the name of an invisible daddy in the sky. i will not waste my intelligence on you.
note: evolution is a thoery, like christianity, and all secularists know this. we do not 'believe' in evolution, or in other theories like the big bang. in fact, most present-day anthropologists will admit that the faculties of evolution are completely errant and are in the process of being over-hauled.
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Post by Morluna on Apr 30, 2006 13:48:53 GMT -5
Thumper, I hereby crown you... That is all. ^_^
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Post by Morluna on May 1, 2006 7:28:50 GMT -5
Thumpeeeeeeeer... don't you want your crown? D: I worked really hard on it....
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Post by dmclayton on May 4, 2006 8:01:55 GMT -5
note: the crown is laced with arsenic. yay.
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Post by justaman on May 4, 2006 15:40:52 GMT -5
Evolutionary Theory isn't really science, it is speculation. We should keep ANY kind of origins out of the classroom, we should instead learn on moving toward the future, and not anything beyond ancient history. My opinion anyway.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 4, 2006 16:14:03 GMT -5
i agree. evolution is a theory, not scientific law, which is what i said previously in reply number two 'neath the pseudonym: dmclayton. the only people who still believe in evolution are the atheist teenie-boppers that spam websites fueling the hate, and further dividing the secular and christian communties online. unfortunately, the only people that think that evolution is, was, or will be taught as scientific law are fundamentalist christians.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 14, 2006 15:58:00 GMT -5
A theory , in science, is an explanation backed up with evidence. We have the evidence. Evolution is observable in the lab. When you throw pesticide in your garden for a certain type of bug, and most of them die, but not all, you see evolution at work. Later, you throw the pesticide at them again. Even fewer of the bugs die. Again, more pesticide. Now only 25% of them died. You do it again, and the bugs are not dying. The premise of evolution is the weak die, and those with favorable genetic traits, survive. Over time, these genetic differences lead to changes in the species, to the point where they can not be called the same species anymore. Read, evolution.berkeley.edu/And, on scientific theory. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theoryFor those of you to lazy to click the link; In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 15, 2006 0:02:35 GMT -5
*sighs* Uhh.. no. I would suppose you would need to define your terms. Micro evolution and small change over time, variation within the species I don't have a problem with. Macro evolution, that is one kind becoming a completely different kind, has never ever been observed. Even Steven Jay Gould realized that the trade secret of paleontology was the lack of transitional forms of fossils in the crust of the Earth. Darwin said that the fossils of transitional species should be innumerable. S.J. Gould ended up believing in puntuated equilibrium for this reason. Punctuated Equilibrium basically says a cat one day had a dog.
Even Dusty(HSTN2983) who is not a Christian knows that the evolution taugh in schools is NOT a reality. It is a fairy tale for grown ups.
Giving the evidence from here to the moon for micro evolution is not evidence for macro evolution.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 15, 2006 6:38:32 GMT -5
small changes in species over time = large change over large time. thats the concept
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Post by cervyy on May 15, 2006 18:37:03 GMT -5
It is a fairy tale for grown ups. But I love fairy tales!! My top two fave are Sleeping Beauty and the Bible.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 19, 2006 16:01:24 GMT -5
humanity is inclined to torture themselves with fairy tales. we need to be happy. we need to define ourselves. we need something to live for...
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Post by biblethumper on May 19, 2006 17:33:28 GMT -5
Yes! Gimme my crown!
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 6:35:31 GMT -5
my point exactly, biblethumper...which grimm's tale would you like to hear today?
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Post by evanschaible on May 20, 2006 12:25:23 GMT -5
The eye is the best evidence against the Darwinian theory; Or so says Charles Darwin.
You cannot gain a thing from beleiving any fairy tail; But the devil gains your soul. Jesus Christ deserves the reward or His suffering dont you think? Who do you please by living in sin? You dont please those who are praying for you and groaning after your salvation! You dont please yourself because you are sinful and heading for eternal fire! You dont please God by living in sin; In fact you anger Him by your rebellion against His holy and perfect law! If You lie, you die! If You lust; you must go to hell! So tell me, what is the point of living in sin?
Except you repent you will perish! Turn from your filthy sin and trust in the saviour! The ignorance of the intellectuals is this; They try and disprove something that is impossible to disprove. God is evident in everything created. You cannot have creation without a creator. Turn from your rebellion and walk out of the path of sin and onto the straight and narrow highway of holiness. Jesus can save you, if you repent and trust in Him!
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Post by valentine on May 20, 2006 12:31:46 GMT -5
Except you repent you will perish! Turn from your filthy sin and trust in the saviour! The ignorance of the intellectuals is this; They try and disprove something that is impossible to disprove. God is evident in everything created. You cannot have creation without a creator. Turn from your rebellion and walk out of the path of sin and onto the straight and narrow highway of holiness. Jesus can save you, if you repent and trust in Him! Can I just say that, as a writer, this "preaching" style makes me laugh. "Straight and narrow path of holiness" ohhhh man. Would you guys be open to a writing workshop? Some of your "sermons" really could use some work. Almost all of y'all have major problems with melodrama and hyperbole and you could do well to tone it down. It would make your speeches much more effective and much less likely to incite laughter.
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Post by evanschaible on May 20, 2006 12:36:53 GMT -5
My friend valentine,
If you had actually read the Bible as you SAY you have, you would know exactly where the phrase "highway of holiness" comes from. Before you refute my intelligence; "study to show yourself approved". You wont get to heaven by calling me stupid, in fact I am sure that will store up wrath that will be revealed on the day of wrath. Turn from your wickedness and trust in the saviour. It greives me that you could persih in hell, but that is you choice. God has done everything he can for you, He died on a cross, rose from the dead, and now pleads with you to repent. Why do you turn your back on Jesus? Think about it valentine, God will cst you into hell if you dont repent and obey Jesus. Please, think on these things.
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Post by shangxin on May 20, 2006 16:10:17 GMT -5
Why is everyone being so mean? Biblethumper, stop being so MEAN. You're making yourself and your religion look bad. I would never start a thread to make fun of the beliefs of someone else, escpecially when you ask people to use logic to believe then don't present any logical findings for them to look at. That is nothing but trollish and immature.
And what is wrong with logic? God gave you a brain! Embrace logic.
I wonder what Jesus would say to people who pick on others in his name....
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 16:27:35 GMT -5
Except you repent you will perish! Turn from your filthy sin and trust in the saviour! The ignorance of the intellectuals is this; They try and disprove something that is impossible to disprove. God is evident in everything created. You cannot have creation without a creator. Turn from your rebellion and walk out of the path of sin and onto the straight and narrow highway of holiness. Jesus can save you, if you repent and trust in Him! Can I just say that, as a writer, this "preaching" style makes me laugh. "Straight and narrow path of holiness" ohhhh man. Would you guys be open to a writing workshop? Some of your "sermons" really could use some work. Almost all of y'all have major problems with melodrama and hyperbole and you could do well to tone it down. It would make your speeches much more effective and much less likely to incite laughter. Well I know valentine isn't really reading this evanschaible, so just between you and me. Since she speaks so much about her pride and self image. Do you think she bought into this whole feminism thing because she isn't happy with the way she looks?? He self image just issuant up to her own prideful standard. Needing of attention or something?? I think that is why she picks on our grammar and such. Like some has to be "up to standard". Valentine why don't you just accept the fact that God loves you, He always has. Look at the cat of 9 tail marks on His back and the nail prints in His hands. He did that for you and you didn't deserve it....so please humble your self. He accepts you....He made you...your wonderfully made. You don't need feminists to tell you lies...love is not prideful. Love is meek. Love is kind...love trusts.
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Post by shangxin on May 20, 2006 16:52:39 GMT -5
I just said that this thread was very mean, so what do you do? You go and insult someone you DON'T even KNOW.
Worst of all you just marginalized feminism. In fact, you outright believe anti-feminist lies. Please, tell me where you learned that feminism was bad. I want to know. If feminism states that it cares only about equality, why do you insist that it is something otherwise? When I go to McDonalds and they say that they sell hamburgers, and sell hamburgers to other people, and sell hanburgers to ME, I believe their statement that they sell hamburgers. (And I get really happy because I love eating there). Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of feminists who are misandrists, but they are extremists (like a mean worker at McDoanlds who doesn't give me the correct order I paid for) and can't be compared to the feminist IDEAL (aka, McDonalds itself), which you seem to be attacking.
As for valentine, she is a good friend of mine who is not prideful about her image. If she was she would actually be considered a "bad" feminist by many feminist women!
You are very mean. And very wrong. And I am very sad. *hugs valentine*
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 17:30:16 GMT -5
I just said that this thread was very mean, so what do you do? You go and insult someone you DON'T even KNOW. Worst of all you just marginalized feminism. In fact, you outright believe anti-feminist lies. Please, tell me where you learned that feminism was bad. I want to know. If feminism states that it cares only about equality, why do you insist that it is something otherwise? When I go to McDonalds and they say that they sell hamburgers, and sell hamburgers to other people, and sell hanburgers to ME, I believe their statement that they sell hamburgers. (And I get really happy because I love eating there). Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of feminists who are misandrists, but they are extremists (like a mean worker at McDoanlds who doesn't give me the correct order I paid for) and can't be compared to the feminist IDEAL (aka, McDonalds itself), which you seem to be attacking. As for valentine, she is a good friend of mine who is not prideful about her image. If she was she would actually be considered a "bad" feminist by many feminist women! You are very mean. And very wrong. And I am very sad. *hugs valentine* Look...we have not even scratched the surface of this issue. I know nothing of any of you personally. I know these issues well however. Like I said in my other post, the former director of NOW's office is right down the hall. I pass by her every day. I've observed many "valentine's" come and go "here". I've watched seemingly nice girls come and leave completely indoctrinated into their "world view" and leave bitter. The big sticking point in our conversations is....you don't know what feminism really is. You don't.....I've notice that there a lot of eating disorders and self image disorders and these girls find relief (or so they think) in feminism. I'm here shouting from the roof top that it is a lie and it will lead you to destruction. There is a way that seams right unto a man but in the end it leads to death/destruction. I'm not saying that she is not attractive. I'm disclaiming that if that is why (and she spoke of self image as being very important to her) she went into feminism...then she should trust the promise of God who says that she is wonderfully made. I'm not saying that a "woman" has to be attractive. I'm saying that a woman should be Godly and feminine. As far as me marginalizing feminism, God hates feminism. Its doctrine are misleading and a snare to young girls. The leaders are not what you think they are. Why would you follow their doctrine??? Look at their lives. Should women be treated equal to men. No, not exactly, they shouldn't be in infantry units..what pre tail would the Bible say. Please list the 10 top leading points in feminism and we'll compare them to the Bible and also I'll list some of the statements from leading feminists and we'll compare them to the Word of God as well. Then you tell me who is being fooled. And another thing..whit a campus ministry. These are the people who are being preached to. Homosexuals, feminists, communists, drunkards, drug users, the sexually immoral, people involved in the occult and so on, girls that had or are thinking about abortions and so on. To talk about Christianity and bring Christ into this arena, we must confront and challenge your world views. When you say your feeling are hurt, we have to get past that with the facts. No body is here to hurt anyones feelings, or be mean. If we didn't love you and didn't want to tell you about the fact that Christ can set you free from the bondage of sin then we wouldn't be here.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 20, 2006 17:54:03 GMT -5
christianity is not an excuse to avoid a hell-fire or god-fury that 'may' exist. this is not the essence of faith or righteousness, and any christian who uses this as reasoning against non-believers is a hypocrite.
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Post by valentine on May 20, 2006 18:09:41 GMT -5
pacp, I never said that I would no longer read your posts. I said that you have lost your right to civil discussion with me until I receive an apology for the asinine, hateful, revolting statements you made in the Feminism thread. That is still in effect. Actually, Valentine is hot. If you still do not believe me, I have other, less work-safe evidence. Feminism helped me be at peace with my body more than your ridiculous religion ever did. Personally, I'm of the opinion that anyone who would start a thread just to make an immature, poorly worded jab at a random forum member is far more attention-seeking that someone who started a discussion about a legitimate topic with intelligent questions for members to answer. You'll notice that I have yet to respond to Biblethumper's puerile behavior. I don't intend to. He's needy and insecure; I have neither reason nor desire to indulge him.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 18:10:20 GMT -5
christianity is not an excuse to avoid a hell-fire or god-fury that 'may' exist. this is not the essence of faith or righteousness, and any christian who uses this as reasoning against non-believers is a hypocrite. Wrong my friend. Christianity or the decision to accept Christ as savior, the only reason for it, is to escape the wrath to come. Not to make you feel good...not so you can be successful. The only reason is to escape hell fire. Hypocrite, am I a hypocrite...no. I am not what I used to be I am redeemed by the blood of the lamb. I am a saved child of God and I have power over the grave. Behold, old things are cast away....all things have become new. Whosoever the Son sets free is free indeed. Thats the message....1) Were sinners 2) Christ can set you free 3) If you understand, repent and place your dependence on Him as your only savior. You ever see that movie "they live"? I challenge you..put on the sunglasses, or in other words put on Christ. Then you will see.
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Post by shangxin on May 20, 2006 18:15:20 GMT -5
There are many things feminists want, and there are many different branches of feminism (including some that I do not agree with). However, I will list ten things that feminism fought for and fights for, as you requested:
-The right to vote
-The right to equal pay
-The right to an education
-The right to divorce a man (hopefully for things like abuse or if the man cheated on her, and not just petty reasons)
-The right to be considered an equal in society (aka to be treated with the respect men are treated with and not be subject to men)
-To be free of domestic violence
-To be able to work in theology-based positions (as clergy members or in other related fields)
- To work in any job they wish without discrimination, be it as a scientist, a soldier, etc.
-To have the right to choose or not choose abortions (abortion is something I do not agree with, so I take the right to NOT choose an abortion if I ever have to choose)
--To not be seen as sex symbols
Some of these have been accomplished, at least in some sense, in the United States, and others have not.
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 18:19:47 GMT -5
pacp, I never said that I would no longer read your posts. I said that you have lost your right to civil discussion with me until I receive an apology for the asinine, hateful, revolting statements you made in the Feminism thread. That is still in effect. Actually, Valentine is hot. If you still do not believe me, I have other, less work-safe evidence. Feminism helped me be at peace with my body more than your ridiculous religion ever did. Personally, I'm of the opinion that anyone who would start a thread just to make an immature, poorly worded jab at a random forum member is far more attention-seeking that someone who started a discussion about a legitimate topic with intelligent questions for members to answer. Hey, lets compare feminism to the Word of God. As far as you being hot...who do you think made you that way and why do you have to be made to be a peace with your body? But don't respond valintine.....see I only want a fair debate. Not with you putting limits on how I respond with the truth..as not to hurt your feelings. See feelings are like smoke detectors. They go off when something irritates them. They are real...however..dumb and have no intellect. So I challenge you...are you emotions based on fact?? Valentine...there not. I have studied diversity and sensitivity training for several years now. You ever been to a speak out?? See they get you all riled up and then they use you emotions in ways that will mislead you. Its a set up....its like brainwashing....I care about you very much. Don't let then manipulate you like that. Why do your emotions go off when Christians speak?? Can you trust that???
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Post by shangxin on May 20, 2006 18:22:09 GMT -5
You go off topic a lot. One moment you are talking about feminism, then feelings, then speak-outs. And if feminism teaches girls not to worry about their bodies and be happy with how they were born--HOW IS THAT BAD?
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 18:42:05 GMT -5
You go off topic a lot. One moment you are talking about feminism, then feelings, then speak-outs. And if feminism teaches girls not to worry about their bodies and be happy with how they were born--HOW IS THAT BAD? Look they seek to define your reality...1) Who are they 2) can they be trusted
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Post by pacp on May 20, 2006 18:56:08 GMT -5
So here is part of a college feminist group's mission startement: The mission of the group is to create an awareness of issues important to women students while promoting the welfare of society as a whole. Primarily an activist group, the students focus on issues such as self-empowerment, gender equity, freedom of choice, domestic violence and sexual abuse
1) They are training activists..the job of state educators??? For the "welfare" of society. The way they see it of course. 2) Oh also they call themselves "change agents" To change society to their values...nice 3) Self empowerment..or the empowerment theory...totally not Biblical google it. 4) Gender..in other words..."gay" rights they include cross dressors and homosexuals 5) supports baby killing 6) And they are going to define your "reality" for you on domestic issues...the violence thing is just to get the door open
What would the Word of God say about these issues.
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