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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:14:00 GMT -5
To all xians who try to debate homosexuality, atheism, agnostism(sp?), and anything you deem "non-christian",
Please don't bring the bible into it. You make yourself look like a dipshit. What you are basically saying is The bible is true because god says so
and
Jesus is real because the bible says so.
Nobody likes circular arguements, so please please, forget your bible when debating this. I will assist you, in deciphering which threads would make you look like a dumbfuck, if you used the bible. If need be.
Thank you;
ABB
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 29, 2006 13:16:39 GMT -5
No.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:20:38 GMT -5
Well then, you, my friend, will appear as a dumbass =D!
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:22:18 GMT -5
What, can you not find something, other than the bible, to prove Jesus? It can't be that difficult, can it? He supposedly created the world and all... Maybe you should look for a water mark, or a signature, or something.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 29, 2006 13:25:48 GMT -5
God's fingerprint is all throughout creation, from the atom to the universe.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:29:14 GMT -5
Where? I really don't see it.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 29, 2006 13:30:33 GMT -5
That is because you are blind and WILLINGLY ignorant.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:30:46 GMT -5
Dont just tell me; show me.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:31:40 GMT -5
If you can't show me any proof, I can succesfully(sp?) say that you do not have proof of jesus or god for that matter.
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Post by Miles Lewis on May 29, 2006 13:33:41 GMT -5
Proof that Jesus existed?
NO serious historian would agree with you that Jesus did not exist.
To see what kind of evidence you would even accept, how do you KNOW Julius Ceaser existed?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:36:08 GMT -5
Proof that he is god.
We'll assume for now that he existed.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:38:53 GMT -5
Cmon man, this shouldnt be that hard! You said:
That leaves you with trillions of atoms to go through, just in your computer keyboard.
Since that is the case, why do you insist on dodging the question?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 13:40:54 GMT -5
Show me proof right now, and I swear to you I will convert.
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 29, 2006 14:15:39 GMT -5
there is no 'proof' of god's existence, if there was then we would not be non-believing heathens...
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 29, 2006 19:58:21 GMT -5
Hey buddy, im waiting....
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 30, 2006 3:23:35 GMT -5
i am waiting for a medical cure for religious belief. heh.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on May 30, 2006 7:58:19 GMT -5
Do you have a brain? How do you know? Have you seen it?
HOW DO YOU KNOW IT EXISTS?
You see the effects of your brain (ability to think, remember etc)
There you go there is evidence that you have a brain.
We have'nt seen God but like Miles said 'God's fingerprint is all throughout creation, from the atom to the universe.'
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Post by biblethumper on May 30, 2006 10:15:23 GMT -5
there is no 'proof' of god's existence, if there was then we would not be non-believing heathens... The reason you're a non-believer is because you love your sin and love your darkness; it has nothing to do with God's existence. How do I know this to be true, that you love your wickedness? In the thread titled "Masturbation" you said: i masturbate and am married [to a woman]. sheesh. who knew...i was a homosexual. i love men. i want to roll around in their feces too. heck, if you will, bring a few animals down so i can rape them too. i molest children as well. mmm. children.
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Post by Grant on May 30, 2006 11:13:13 GMT -5
You don't convert because you have some "proof" that satisfies your intellect. There's proof all over you and you're not willing to accept it. I spent 28 years in the same vain, proud yet unknowlingly foolish. It was when I became humbled, and contrite of spirit, when GOD looked my way and THEN showed Himself in a way I couldn't wisely deny. [Is 66]
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Post by ebrayley on May 30, 2006 12:13:23 GMT -5
Well said, Miles. Amen.
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Post by tonyholland on May 30, 2006 12:38:35 GMT -5
AtheistB, this is kind of a silly request to make (not using the Bible) of those who believe that God created the Universe isn't it. If I asked you how the Universe was created, I'm guessing that you would refer to scientifc materials that give explanation. You would think we were nuts if we said...."Ok, prove how the World got here, but don't use any scientific findings to show me."
I assume that you are honestly seeking answers here (either that, or you are just in the midst of some vain attempt to prove that you are right) so I ask you, Why not examine the claims of the Bible with a open heart. No one is saying, "check you brain at the door", just give it honest and reasonable consideration. Yes, there will be things that you struggle with understanding (just as I often do) but instead of saying "Ah-Hah!!, I knew it was wrong!" Talk to some true Christians about those difficulties and see if it helps.
Here is the end game my friend. If we are all wrong, and die...we have lost nothing. As there is nothing on the other side, we die and thats it. If reincarnation is true, no biggie, we come back as something else. If a all forgiving, happy go-lucky god figure is true, great...we all go to heaven. ........but if we are right. If we are right it has horrible and eternal consequences for you some of you. If we are right there is a eternity of torment in Hell. I've seen a couple posts by some unbelivers saying, if I am wrong then I'll gladly go to Hell, and other nonsense like that. No, you won't gladly go to Hell....it is a decision that you will never, never stop regretting. I know that many of you doubt, but I beg you to examine the claims that the Bible makes to see if they are true. Ignore the stuff you probably read about Eternal Security, Bible Versions, blah, blah, blah for now. The truth is simple and it's clear, and again I beg you to consider those truths carefully.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 30, 2006 14:01:57 GMT -5
Athest,
I'm curious..
Can you prove the Bible is false without using the Bible?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 30, 2006 14:10:35 GMT -5
That doesn't work, we can see my brain through scans, and whatnot. You can test for it. You can't test for god.
All I'm asking you to do is show me this fingerprint! If it is in such abundance, then wont this technically be extremely easy?
Stop dodging the question. Prove it or shut the f**k up.
SHOW ME THIS GOD d**n PROOF!! You keep saying that there is proof everywhere, but you won't show it to me. If there's so much proof, this won't be much of a tax on your mind, but you seem to have trouble with giving me a straight answer.
Pascal's wager is not going to work anymore. I'll show you why:
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 30, 2006 14:12:13 GMT -5
I'll give it an honest attempt.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 30, 2006 16:03:14 GMT -5
Now, I'm going to ask you real quick:
Can you give me a straight answer? Or would you like to concede and say, "I can not give you the proof you seek"?
I will not take you seriously if you can't pick between the two.
Good luck god-fearers.
I'm going to a friends house now.
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Post by tonyholland on May 30, 2006 16:56:12 GMT -5
Now, I'm going to ask you real quick: Can you give me a straight answer? Or would you like to concede and say, "I can not give you the proof you seek"? I will not take you seriously if you can't pick between the two. Good luck god-fearers. I'm going to a friends house now. First.....That was quite a essay on pascal's wager. The author certainly spent a great deal of time convincing himself (or herself) that it is invalid. Kind of makes you wonder why someone would go through so much trouble.....make themself feel better? Secondly.....I guess this will be some kind win for you...whatever, but you are correct. There is no way that I can prove to you that God exists as long as you refuse to consider the Bible as a possibility, ignore the complexity of everything in nature, write off your God given conscience as social programming and have already convinced yourself that He doesn't exist. Unfortunately, with these types of presuppositions you can't believe anything concerning the existence of this world. You can't go to scientific theory, because they are only theory and can't be proven. You can't look at any other philosophical beliefs because regardless whether they all have some form of divine being, you have established that there is not one. I find this sad for you even in this life. No one to live for other than yourself, no one to love because you could never know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they loved you back, no expectation of anything better for eternity. Just 80 years here as you and thats it. Whether you believe or not, I'll be praying for you. I truly don't want to see you spend eternity in Hell, nor do I want you to have to continue the shallow existence that you must have here on earth. Please don't think I am mocking you. I promise that I am not.
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Post by jonathanhulewicz on May 30, 2006 22:11:49 GMT -5
Yes I agree we can test to see if we have a brain. Have YOU tested to see if you have one?
Through your ignorance of the truth and evidence for God it would make me wonder...
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 31, 2006 0:34:26 GMT -5
...believing in an invisible daddy in the sky is prove that humans have a brain? the crusades, burning times and millions of deaths caused directly, or indirectly, by christians is proof of ignorance--not a brain.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on May 31, 2006 11:07:31 GMT -5
Can you not see the falacies in that argument yourself? Pascal's wager is not even accepted as an argument in most formal debates. Make them feel better? HA! Those are logical arguments against Pascal's wager, and that does not even skim the surface of all the arguments against it.
Since god's fingerprint is everywhere, can you not find a SINGLE SHRED OF PROOF that he existed/created everything? Look, humans were around for say, 10,000 years. In that time, we have built many testaments to our greatness. The Great Wall. The Pyramids at Giza. The Hanging Gardens of Babylon. The Eiffel Tower. The Statue of Liberty. The ( must I go on?)
God supposedly existed forever, and there is not one testament to his greatness in this land? I find that hard to believe. He can move mountains with a thought, but he can't put any evidence at all that he existed?
Science advances, modifies, constructs, and reconstructs itself. Does religion do that? Soon enough, science will take mankind into the deepest secrets of the unknown.
...I care about my friends and family more than you will ever know. Don't even start with that bullshit. You don't know me, so don't bring the personal me into this argument.
Do you have to have an afterlife to get through your day? Wouldn't that make you the weaker organism? Yes, fine, 80 years. But I cherish those 80 years all the more. I cherish every one in my life in those 80 years. And hell, maybe I'll be able to leave MY mark on this world. Maybe I won't be forgotten.
So, my life isn't good enough for you? Well, I'm sorry, that's just too damn bad. I'll live for me, you live for you.
What you have is the same mentality that cost millions of people their lives. "I don't want you to go to hell, so convert, while we torture you." A round of appluase for the followers of christ!*clap clap clap clap*.
With your level of logic and intelligence, you insult yourself.
Well: 1) Yes, I've had brain scans before for some serious illnesses, so technically, yes. 2)Even if I didn't, I can clearly see the effects of my brain on the outside world. I.e. Thought, activity, motor functions, auto-cardiovascular activity, etc.
And once again, you dodge the question! Alll of you christians dodge the question I pose for you.
Is it really that hard to show me one atom of god's existence? I believe what you said earlier was....
AND
Now, how can it be that difficult?
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Post by HSTN2983 on May 31, 2006 12:26:00 GMT -5
the world is innocently spinning through time, its a shame christians rape it to make an argument for creationism.
so, biblethumper, do you approve of destroying the earth of its natural resources as the will of god?
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