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Post by cervyy on Jun 20, 2006 0:20:54 GMT -5
Now, I don't want to create conflict (SARCASM) but I have been holding onto this little nugget for a while. I happened upon Mathew chapter 10 back when I read Revelation. MARK 10:15 "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it." So when you go out to preach to people to repent, remember this part of the Bible which says you need to repent as a wee lad or lass to EVER get into heaven. And that as an unrepented adult, too bad, so sad. ;D EDIT: I originally had it as MATHEW, not MARK. Sorry. Don't want to mislead anyone!!
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 20, 2006 0:21:30 GMT -5
Oh damn ={.
Well, show's over.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 20, 2006 0:23:23 GMT -5
Oh, and by the by, it was JESUS who said it.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 20, 2006 0:23:53 GMT -5
i am a big kid. i still watch cartoons, does that count?
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Post by cervyy on Jun 20, 2006 0:26:43 GMT -5
i am a big kid. i still watch cartoons, does that count? Sadly no. We had out chance way back when. But the good news is, so did most of the OA preachers like Jesse and Miles who repented later in life! The story that it is in is about Children, real life youngins.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 20, 2006 0:30:00 GMT -5
But that's ok, even i f they do convert the 7 year olds, we just have to sway them when they turn 15, and poof, straight to hell for all of eternity!
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Post by josh on Jun 20, 2006 0:52:17 GMT -5
Jesus was saying here that you must believe, and trust in Him as a child does. If you tell a child something they will believe you, they won't want you to explain the finer points, but rather they will trust what you say.
Same with Christ, you must trust in Him.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 20, 2006 8:40:03 GMT -5
Ah, but Jesus didn't say "like" a child. He said, if you don't recieve the kingdom as a child it's too late. In the story he's talking about actual children coming to Him. The story where Jesus said this he said in regards in children, not being childish.
Why interpret it Josh, when alone it makes perfect sense? What's that little Jesse says about sense and nonsense in regards to intepreting?
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Post by josh on Jun 20, 2006 10:01:04 GMT -5
G'day Cervyy,
Sadly your argument falls down when it comes to the greek text used in that scripture, the greek word used is hōs which means 'like' or 'as' now if we look at 'as a' in the context and structure of the greek it is refering to 'like a' which is the same as saying 'as a'.
Now if we would continue to look at Scripture we see Christ calling the Apostles which were grown adults (not children), then if we cross into the book of Acts, we see adults being saved, and filled with the Spirit. So your argument doesn't hold water in light of scripture.
You have taken a scripture out of context, and twisted it.
Josh
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Post by cervyy on Jun 20, 2006 11:06:39 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out the Bible contradicts itself because others have twisted it. The truth is right in front of you, can't you see it?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 20, 2006 12:28:03 GMT -5
It's not out of context; it's in a little section about children >.>
That my friend, is what YOU have done. The literal interpretation is that cervyy can no longer be saved.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 20, 2006 16:17:18 GMT -5
cervvy's conclusions are no more radical than the fundamentalists on this site. so, do not get your panties in a wad...
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 21, 2006 18:44:24 GMT -5
What the hell, another "you're fucked" verse:
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 21, 2006 18:44:41 GMT -5
the above is Matthew 12:31-32
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 21, 2006 18:45:33 GMT -5
I deny the holy spirit. The holy spirit is my pregnant dog =D.
HAHAHAH YOU CAN'T SAVE ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cervyy on Jun 21, 2006 19:01:37 GMT -5
I was always a fan of Holy Ghost before God or Jesus. Maybe it's that whole ghost factor.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 22, 2006 5:05:58 GMT -5
i like using the term, "holy spook."
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Post by Jules on Jun 22, 2006 11:46:18 GMT -5
Ah, but Jesus didn't say "like" a child. He said, if you don't recieve the kingdom as a child it's too late. In the story he's talking about actual children coming to Him. The story where Jesus said this he said in regards in children, not being childish. Why interpret it Josh, when alone it makes perfect sense? What's that little Jesse says about sense and nonsense in regards to intepreting? cervvy, would you agree that Peter, the apostle Paul, JOhn, James,etc were Christians? NONE of them came ot faith as children. ALL were grown men. Your argument is invalid. Period. You are seeking excuses for your own persistent sin by saying that it is too late to repent or be saved, when in fact, it is not. So why do you resist God and condemn yourself?
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 22, 2006 14:36:19 GMT -5
Your response can be equated to this:
Mommy, I want a cigar!!!
Why?
Just cuss, now get it!
And yes, we are saying peter, paul, john, james, the whole lot of them, are damned because of that verse.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 22, 2006 16:37:56 GMT -5
It's proof that the Bible contradicts itself. Jesus said one thing, and he then "saved" apostles ... it doesn't add up, but you let 2+2=7, and go merrily down the road to your own hell.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 23, 2006 5:50:18 GMT -5
i am sorry guys, but even i know this is not a sound argument. heh.
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Post by atheistbibleburner on Jun 23, 2006 8:23:00 GMT -5
HSTN, refer to the one about the holy spirit;
It is repeated in mark and luke as well.
So mark, luke, and matthew, ALL say that it is unforgivable to speak against the holy spirit.
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 23, 2006 19:03:51 GMT -5
...those verses have several interpretations. 'blasphemy of the holy spirit' can also mean that 'suicide' is an unpardonable sin. after all, how can you ask for forgiveness once you kill yourself. secondly, life is a 'gift from god' so killing yourself is compared to rejecting god's gift to you. there are other interpretations, but i think this is the most realistic.
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Post by rebecca01 on Jun 24, 2006 5:26:25 GMT -5
The title of this thread breaks my heart.... I could cry a river for some of the people on this thread !!! The way to know that you have not committed the unpardonable sin is that you still have a desire to be saved.Today is the day af salvation, so please come to God before it's too late!!!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 25, 2006 1:41:12 GMT -5
i have cried for your souls too. what a coincidence!
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Post by Jules on Jun 25, 2006 13:46:56 GMT -5
cervyy...so, you use the Bible when it is convenient for your purposes or your views, but conveniently disregard it when it conflicts with your own world view? Not surprising.
Case in point: you use the Bible to "prove" your point that it is too late for you to be saved, citing a verse taken out of context by yourself, that only children can be saved. When it is pointed out to you using scripture that that verse uses figurative speech and doesn't allow for a set time for repentance, as evidenced by the faith of the adult apostles, you quickly revert back to "The Bible contradicts itself."
Truly, can't you come up with a stronger argument than that? You'll have to think faster on your feet to try to debate the Word of God. Trite comments such as it contradicts itself have been proven wrong time and again. Could it be you fall back on this false argument as a feeble attempt to justify your views? If the Bible can be proven wrong, then we are wrong, and you are right.
But the Bible has not been proven wrong, despite years of attempts by individuals such as yourself, seeking self-justification.
What you see as contradictions are not. There are plenty of books that answer the common arguments of atheists, etc on this subject concerning supposed Biblical contradictions.
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Post by biblethumper on Jun 25, 2006 13:48:20 GMT -5
"As a child" MEANS "like" a child
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 25, 2006 19:49:45 GMT -5
jules, your argument against cervvy raises an interesting fact, its the some style debate that christians use against non-believers.
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Post by cervyy on Jun 25, 2006 23:52:40 GMT -5
I use the Bible to try and siprove you because it is YOUR weapon against US. Only weapon in fact.
I'm saorry I keep confusing which verses to take literally and which one to take figuratively (sp). Where again in the Bible is the list that tells me which verses to read which way? I can never keep them all straight!!
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Post by HSTN2983 on Jun 26, 2006 10:54:38 GMT -5
...its all about the holy spook, they say...
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