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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Nov 4, 2008 0:13:47 GMT -5
All right! You came back! To be honest, the fun level of this forum has been spiraling down pretty quickly ever since the ban...
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Post by Kureji on Nov 4, 2008 1:14:25 GMT -5
Yep, I'm basically back, I agreed to Jesse's terms of not posting in the forums dedicated more towards christians, which I hardly did anyway. Like I said before, if I wasn't swamped with work to do I'd sit down and read through this post alittle better and join in, but I'm sure Val has it covered.
I'm glad to see that someone might have missed me. Hah.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 4, 2008 1:49:59 GMT -5
Then how do you dispute the resurrection and those who witnessed it? What happened to the body? Are you going to try to tell me Jesus was a vampire or a zombie or rats ate the body? People saw him after he was crucified and died. There are loads of witnesses. How do you count for the body not being found? The idea that the Roman guards fell asleep and desciples stole the body is ridiculous as those guards would have been executed. Jesus rose from the dead. I just want to say something about this... If the guards really would be executed if they fell asleep and let someone steal the body, wouldn't it make sense that they'd go along with him being resurrected and hence it not be their fault? ...Makes sense to me. I'd say someone was resurrected if it saved my head from rolling. I came gome from church to pray for you alone and hope your eyes will be open and submitted you in the prayer requests at church .I will skip dinner and fast for you tomorrow and pray more. I cannot tell you how much I weep for you. Do you want to go to hell? Do you want to be forever seperate from Jesus and happiness. Do you want to face Jesus as your judge and hear him say the fearful words, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels?" Excellent fear tactics. Those who worship simply out of fear of damnation deserve damnation. That includes you it sounds like. The definition of stupidity is not doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The definition of stupidity is to willingly end in hell when there is a way out. I think Val misquoted because I'm pretty sure that's the definition of insanity not stupidity. A better definition of stupidity is to have a limited capacity for knowledge. Oh and I'll start worrying about ending up in hell when I start believing in it though. The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. The fool has said in his heart there is no god. I don't know, I think it's pretty foolish to worship an invisible sky wizard who doesn't exist. Not only that but he wants to send you to hell for not believing in him, without giving you proof that he's actually there. Seems a little fishy to me, dontcha think? I mean if God really wanted everyone to believe in him, he could come up with a way to prove his existence, saying that you have to believe in God to experience God is just silly. That isn't God proving himself, thats you deluding yourself into "finding God." If you look for something that isn't there for long enough and really believe it's there, your eyes might eventually deceive you into seeing what's not really there. Have you ever stolen anything ? Have you ever lusted after another man? Have you ever told a lie? no, yes(girls of course), yes I'm taking the test you suggested right now, and wow why can't I skip this guy talking? Oh good he eventually stops, but it doesn't even give me a heathen score, I was hoping it'd be like, "You are 70% heathen, you are not only going to hell you are getting a small medal which will scald your soul for all eternity, but look kinda spiffy." Anyway, I was guilty of all except not honoring mom and pop, murder, and stealing. Now it's trying to guilt trip me for being a bad boy, and not listening to God. Apparently I'm supposed to feel bad when I do these things. Oh well.
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Post by fs on Nov 4, 2008 7:47:27 GMT -5
Good as the ban was stupid as how can we bring you to light if you cannot log on. As for the brothers out there who are not so keen to witness to you and seemed to rejoice in the ban, I was curuoius and contact with a banned member I found via my space who refuted the whole thing, where my brothers here who are not so glad to have you back, sadly, said you all received REPEATED WARNINGS. There was NO repeated warning about posts or even a first one and I was sent a copy of the email to prove it. Bad show, Jesse. You really have helped turn a couple of potential Cjristians against Christ due to your actions. I will not repeat what said person told me when I suggested he contact you and try to smooth things out. Bad show and bad example of witnessing. Even Christians do not always show good judgment and see we are not perfect , just fogiven .
So anyway, most of the banned people seem to be returning. Great . It is the will of God. God wants you back here and wants you to receive the light and wisdom of the gospel. This may be your last chance. I urge you to stop blaspheming and mocking God. I urge you to listen to the word with your heart and nto your mind. Man in his limited intelligence cannot understand the wisdom of God.
In defense of some of my zealous brothers and sisters ont his board, understand that they do worry about your soul. WE would hate for yout o msis heaven and hear the terrible words of Christ, "Depart from me ye cursed, in the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Swallow your pride and repent.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 4, 2008 9:18:41 GMT -5
Good as the ban was stupid as how can we bring you to light if you cannot log on. As for the brothers out there who are not so keen to witness to you and seemed to rejoice in the ban, I was curuoius and contact with a banned member I found via my space who refuted the whole thing, where my brothers here who are not so glad to have you back, sadly, said you all received REPEATED WARNINGS. There was NO repeated warning about posts or even a first one and I was sent a copy of the email to prove it. Bad show, Jesse. You really have helped turn a couple of potential Cjristians against Christ due to your actions. I will not repeat what said person told me when I suggested he contact you and try to smooth things out. Bad show and bad example of witnessing. Even Christians do not always show good judgment and see we are not perfect , just fogiven . Yeah no warnings. The one who were rejoicing were the weak willed who stood on rocky ground. Those who couldn't take actually talking to the heathens because they were either weak in faith or weak in constitution. After all, if you let someone's words get under your skin, maybe you should start questioning why. So anyway, most fo the banned people seem to be returning. Great . It is the will of God. God wants you back here and wants you to receive the light and wisdom of the gospel. This may be your last chance. I urge you to stop blaspheming and mocking God. I urge you to listen to the word with your heart and nto your mind. Man in his limited intelligence cannot understand the wisdom of God. He's too complicated for us to understand, I love this excuse given by Christians. It's such an easy cope out. If I tell you that you can't possibly understand God, then I don't have to answer your question. So stop trying to understand and just stay stupid as that's how God loves you. In defense of some of my zealous brothers and sisters ont his board, understand that they do worry about your soul. WE would hate for yout o msis heaven and hear the terrible words of Christ, "Depart from me ye cursef, in the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels." You like that last sentence don't you? Though, this time you use is not just as scare tactics, but scare tactics with a bit of sympathy mixed in. Swallow your pride and repent. Sorry, one of my biggest sins is pride.
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Post by fs on Nov 4, 2008 11:43:40 GMT -5
Turn or burn.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 4, 2008 13:36:12 GMT -5
Keep trying, eventually I'll become afraid of hell and start believing in jebus. I mean seriously, all I see you offering is your fear mongering of hell. Is that the only reason why you worship your God? You're afraid of burning in hell as an alternative? You live a sad existence, an existence living in fear of damnation. Do you still check under your bed for the boogy man? Maybe you should, another fear controlling the actions of your life seems like it'd fit you nicely.
I said this before and I'll say it again. I have absolutely no respect for those who only worship God out of fear. They are weak and they are cowards. A god who rules through fear is a tyrant and does not deserve worship, and those who worship a god who rules through fear, deserves the hell that they fear more than anyone else.
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Post by fs on Nov 4, 2008 14:24:36 GMT -5
I am not weak, I am not cowardly and I am not on shaky ground. I know where I was before I turned to Jesus Christ. I was embedded in sin. Through Christ I found victory over perversion, lust and addiction. It was not out of fear, though the reality of hell for the lost is a part of it, but the fact you missed, that Jesus provided away out, so that none should perish, but have everlasting life. A tyranncal God and fearmonger as you mistake God would be one who simply thows people into eternal flame for no reason and with no way out. Since God is holy and cannot allow in His presence there has to be a mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ.
There is an element of fear and awe toward God, but there is also love and devotion for that way out where Jesus was nailed on the cross, died and rose.
Look at it this way.
You are standing at a wide canyon with no bridge. You are on one side and God is on the next. That canyon is sin that seperates you from God.
The bridge is Jesus Christ. To have that bridge laid down for you, you have to ask. The toll is to receive Him as savior and lord
There is room at the cross for you.
Hesus lvoes you and so do I.
I would probably be dead for all purposes if it was not for Jesus.
Now I am only dead to sin.
You need to ask that the drawbridge be dropped and you might cross the chasm seperating you from God. Repent. Renounce sin. Turn from pride.
Just read the book of John.
Study it carefully. BUT keep an open mind.
I will not give up on you or any other lost person here, as people did not give up on me. I was once where you all are now. Lost in sin and hating God.
He is alive. he is alive. He is alive and Im forgiven , heaven's gates are open wide.
They can be for you too.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 4, 2008 14:58:19 GMT -5
I am not weak, I am not cowardly and I am not on shaky ground. I know where I was before I turned to Jesus Christ. I was embedded in sin. Through Christ I found victory over perversion, lust and addiction. /golfclap It was not out of fear, though the reality of hell for the lost is a part of it, but the fact you missed, that Jesus provided away out, so that none should perish, but have everlasting life. Oh that makes it not fear tactics, oh wait. Nope still fear tactics, believe in my God or else. A tyranncal God and fearmonger as you mistake God would be one who simply thows people into eternal flame for no reason and with no way out. Since God is holy and cannot allow in His presence there has to be a mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ. no he doesn't send you to hell for no reason, just for not believing in him without him giving you any real proof to other than some people reading a book. That sounds like its MUCH better. There is an element of fear and awe toward God, but there is also love and devotion for that way out where Jesus was nailed on the cross, died and rose. ...ok Look at it this way. You are standing at a wide canyon with no bridge. You are on one side and God is on the next. That canyon is sin that seperates you from God. The bridge is Jesus Christ. To have that bridge laid down for you, you have to ask. The toll is to receive Him as savior and lord There is room at the cross for you. On one side of the canyon is delicious cake, the bottom of the canyon is invested with alligators and is lined with spiky rocks. The only way across is a oil slicked tight rope, and you are hungry for cake. Hesus lvoes you and so do I. I would probably be dead for all purposes if it was not for Jesus. Now I am only dead to sin. Toy need to ask that the drawbridge be dropped and you might cross the chasm seperating you from God. Repent. Renounce sin. Turn from pride. Just read the book of John. Study it carefully. BUT keep an open mind. I will not give up on you or any other lost person here, as people did not give up on me. I was once where you all are niow. Lost in sin and hating God. He is alive. he is alive. He is alive and Im forgiven , heaven's gates are open wide. They can be for you too. I think you're mistaken, I don't hate your God. I don't believe in your God. I mean, seriously come up with a way to prove that God exists and I'll be more than willing to listen. Though all I ever get when I ask that to people either involves them rambling on about bible quotations, involves that I have to already believe in him to experience him, or that he's so super duper amazing that my small little human brain would implode if he proved his own existence to me. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. Oh and by the way, about having an open mind... I'm pretty sure I have a much more open mind than most Christians. I'm Agnostic leaning towards Athiest. Meaning that I'm open to new ideas and listening to what other people believe in, though my most current belief is that no one actually knows the truth. Also, I hate pointing this out but this last segment was just littered with typos and it really seemed like you were rushing out this little bit like your sunday school van just pulled up or something. Sorry, but it just bothers me when there are several blatant typos throughout the post. Makes me wonder if you really care about my soul at all, I mean presentation is everything, ya know?
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Post by fs on Nov 4, 2008 15:19:38 GMT -5
Sorry about the typos in the last post, at the end and I except to be mocked for what I say next, but so be it as as I was grieving for you and typing very fast. You chose not to listen to me anyway, but that is no shocker for now. You have a stubborn heart. Mine was like that also.
I will go back and fix them.
Then maybe I won't.
I do not think you are ready to listen right now but you will be. The hound of heaven is after you.
The last part got bad because I was literally having tears in my eyes as I thought of you and your soul. You will laugh at this I am sure, but unlike some people, I do not quit easily. I do not give up on the lost. Now this sounds silly to you, but it is true.
You have no idea of how it feels to weep for the lost because being lost yourself, you have nothing to relate to.
I pity you in your folly and in your pride. You could well regret these words you have uttered in mockery. These words do not bother me like you think. I am not the one you are gioing to have to be accountable to on the end.
For it is appointed unto men once to die and after this the judgement.
We praise your name, Lord Jesus. You are the king or kings and lord or lords, the rose of Sharon, the alpha and omega, the prince of peace. Blessed be the name of the Lord. Youa re a lamp unto my feer, Lord Jesus. Come soon, Lord, come soon. You are worthy to be praised.
Touch the hearts and minds of the lost, Lord Jesus. Touch them so they may come to know you as Lord and savior. They know not what they do. I raise the names of all the lost to you. I weep for them.
Work a miracle, dear Lord.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 4, 2008 15:48:23 GMT -5
You're right, I did laugh a little. Fear not little one, my soul is fine and you need not shed tears over me. My words are not intended to bother you, or anything like that. Quite the contrary it sounds more like your words are aimed to bother me and set me at unease. Call me arrogant if you'd like but the promise of hellfire or torture does not phase me. I live my life on my own set of morals that I follow because I find them to be right and true, you might not believe in my morals but that's fine, I'm a moral relativist any how.
Have fun fearing God and hell and following his commandments because it's better than the alternative.
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Post by fs on Nov 4, 2008 15:56:19 GMT -5
Your road leads to hell.
That is why I care.
What kind of person would I be if I saw someone about to drive off a cliff because he didn't know it was there!
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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Nov 4, 2008 22:13:51 GMT -5
Oh, wow. I missed a lot today. Still, voting was worth it, obviously.
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Post by fs on Nov 5, 2008 6:07:04 GMT -5
AS a nonchristian I expect you to side with the worldly and those who support infantcide, but that does not make me hate you. It makes me pray for you all the more. I was once the worst of sinners, but was able to change. So can you.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 5, 2008 11:53:07 GMT -5
I bet I'm a worse sinner than you were, actually that probably isn't true... oh well... Yay infantcide! I also support turning the elderly into delicious milk shakes
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Post by fs on Nov 5, 2008 16:26:32 GMT -5
Be not deceived. God is not mocked.
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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Nov 5, 2008 20:54:29 GMT -5
I hear him mocked all the time. Frankly, I don't think it's very effective to mock things that are imaginary and also don't exist, but, what do you do?
Anyway, this "conversation" with you seems to be devolving every time I come back, so I think I'll stop.
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Post by fs on Nov 6, 2008 8:54:52 GMT -5
Stop if you want, but I will still pray for you. Jesus loves you and so do I.
Would you rpefer to have me rant and rave condemnation after condemnation upon you as some of my less informed brethren might, even some who you can see on u tube and dare I say on the board.
I am not only trying to undo the works of secular education and secular humanism that has jaded all your minds, but the condemning, overzealous and sometime ignorant actions of Christians or supposed Christains within the faith.
Remmeber the words fromt he great christian film, A Distant Thunder, spoken by an unveliever in the service iof the antichrist and masquerading as a christian. "Anyone can say they're a Christian."
This is true.
Trust me, this is true.
Do not be jaded by the actions of the world, of false christians with a false claim to Christ or those coming in his name on the surface who are far from Him.
Seek ye the Lord while He may be found.
Find Jesus and keep your eyes on HIM. Mankind will always let you down in the long run. Jesus will NOT fail you.
Behold the lamb of God who takes away sin.
Seek Jesus and you will find Him
We just had an election that did not go as I hoped. Try another election. Elect Jesus as your savior. It is the best vote you can make.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 6, 2008 13:39:04 GMT -5
You know fs, you made me really sit down and think about everything. I sat and studied the bible. You opened my eyes and I realize now that I was blind.
I found Jesus today.
He was hiding under my bed. I don't know why I never checked there. I mean seriously his leg was sticking out, I must have been blind not to see him.
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Post by fs on Nov 6, 2008 15:33:46 GMT -5
You stated you did not like to be grouped alongside some of the more arrogant of the nonbelievers when you were banned and agreed to come back here under some restrictions. I can see where you might nto want yo be lumped into the same catagory as that Evil Art who was here only to sow strife, though I love and pray for him and hope he finds The Lord. I also do nto liekt o be lumoped in with some fo the other people in this board who are Christians for sure, but gold views far different than mine. Lame jokes like the one you made might well anger some of the other brothers and sisters here, but do not think they should or would offend me because they do not. If anything such behavior makes you look immature, kind of like the silly looking hat you have on.
In fact, you may note as of now I am the only Christian giving you and the other believers the time of day. It makes me wonder where some of the others are and why they are not jumping in here to try to give you some light as well.
So be it. I am not doing any of this for me or my own glorification, but doing this to do the will of God and to God be the glory.
Jesus loves you and so do I.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 6, 2008 16:18:39 GMT -5
See, the biggest problem that you're having right now is that you're assuming that my motive is to anger you, which it's not.
The second biggest problem is that you think my hat is silly. Especially since the costume in my avatar is me dressing up like some of the street preachers who have visited my campus. Though I guess you think all of them look immature. Want to make fun of my suspenders as well? Keep going, I hear making fun of people's clothes will bring them to God lickity split.
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Post by fs on Nov 6, 2008 17:33:59 GMT -5
No, I set you up!
Man looks on the outside appearance, but God looks upon the soul!
Touche"
Now get right with Jesus.
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Post by valentine on Nov 6, 2008 21:12:47 GMT -5
Would you rpefer to have me rant and rave condemnation after condemnation upon you as some of my less informed brethren might, even some who you can see on u tube and dare I say on the board. No, dummy. I want you to RESPOND TO MY POINTS instead of "ranting and raving" the exact same fire and brimstone speech that every last fundie on this board has squawked at us for over two years. Your posts here indicate that you don't actually want to "talk to" anyone. You've ignored me over and over and don't even address anything I said. Don't hold yourself up as this bastion of peace and reason. You're acting exactly like the fundies whose behavior you rebuke.
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Post by fs on Nov 6, 2008 22:37:48 GMT -5
Dummy? Look who's talking for the fool has said in his heart there is no God. However, to take a verse in the Bible slightly out of context cincerning ask and thou shalt receive, I am sending you a very personal and confidential private message as well. I pray for you to find knowledge as you read it and see the light. Seek the truth and it will be made manifest to you.
I will respond to your points right now.
Your points are wrong. They are not relevant.
What matters is your relationship with Jesus Christ. What matters is your avoiding damnation.
Dummy?
The fool has said in his (or her) heart there is no God.
Think about that one.
I pray for you. I pray you seek Jesus. I opray for your heart to sioften and your mind to be iopened.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 7, 2008 9:52:10 GMT -5
I don't believe you set me up, I believe you were trying to cover your tracks. Also, you started crying at the end of your last post again didn't you?
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Post by fs on Nov 7, 2008 19:01:37 GMT -5
Yes. The Holy Spirit revealed this to you. You have compassion beneath your exterior. If only you would yield to that call. Don't you feel it. Do you hear it? Why fight the call of the Holy Spirit?.
I will be gone until Sunday and back on then. I pray in the meantime that you find a change in heart and mind
Run to the mercy seat of Christ. Believe the blood of Jesus. Seek Jesus. Read Matthew 7: 7-8 Find Christ now. Do you not fear hell? Just because you believe it does not exist does not make it any less a reality.
Oh Lord, hear my prayers on behalf of these lost souls. Touch them, Lord Jesus. Open their eyes and their ears. Let the doubters be cleansed with the blood of Jesus and pure by the holy fire of the Lord.
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Post by fs on Nov 7, 2008 19:05:22 GMT -5
Valentine, You need to read these parts of the Bible.
Read Philippians 2: 5-8
Read Revelation 5 11-12
Read John 4 2-3
Read Jeremiah (the entire book)
Read John 3=-16
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Post by thegooddoctorwho on Nov 7, 2008 19:42:35 GMT -5
I'm back!
And just as you're leaving, it seems. Oh well. Just thought I'd pull something out here. Our not believing in Hell doesn't make it any less of a reality?
Your believing in Hell doesn't make it any closer to a reality. The fact that there is a book (the Bible) which claims that there is a Hell doesn't make it any closer to a reality. There are also books which claim that a Hobbit found a ring that made him invisible. Should I believe that, because a book told me to? Should I read "The Hobbit" with "my heart" and not "my mind"?
Obviously, "The Hobbit" was written assuming that I would know it to be fictional, so it is a bit different. What I'm saying is, what reason is there to believe that the Bible is the word of God? What reason is there to believe that it is true at all? Because it says that it is? Do you not see how bad of a reason that is to believe something?
Surely there must be another reason.
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Post by Kureji on Nov 7, 2008 20:30:16 GMT -5
me? compassion? seriously? I think it was more that I saw the stream of typos again.
Also, the good doctor said exactly what I was going to say in response to me not believing in hell yadda yadda. I'll be waiting for you on Sunday for I know I'll miss ya. I'm ready for another scripture spanking.
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Post by fs on Nov 8, 2008 18:19:46 GMT -5
I am in briefly as I had a very exasperating time trying to witness and call people to botht he need of salvation in Lord Jesus and the fact his nation has voted in a man who will bring the judgment fo God upon thsi antion for the blatant infanticide supported by abortion
I do not give up with you all, but I am growing frustrated.
I am going to do something most of the Brothers in this board flat do not seem to do. I am going to ask you something.
What am I doing wrong here?
I am not going to be like some of the people who have said pretty much they are man if God and therefore they cannot be questioned or criticised at all by the unbelieving. I am not going to be like a few who I have seen in posts ignore what the nonbelievers try to say and laugh them off, as one who more or less said he is not taking orders on how to preach from someone not born again.
What am I doing wrong? Why won't 'you listen to me?What is wrong? I have tried many different approaches and been laughed at.
And yes, I have started crying before as I wrote to you a few times, but out of what you have said, but over your being so blind and so lost. I can see you burning in hell.
This is no joke. Hell is real. Please believe there is a way out. Christ loves you and I love you. He wants to be your savior. He has provided many ways for you to hear the word of God and yet you refuse. I shudder at the thought of sinners as lost as you, blindly ignoring the light and the word. I dread it as you amrch toward the flame, laughing all the way. You can be made a new person in Christ. Your sins may be forgiven. You may find eternal life if you ask Jesus into your evil heart as Lord.
I am going out to try to witness again soon and in church in the morning and evening I will pray for your salvation.
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