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Post by biblethumper on Aug 20, 2006 8:11:31 GMT -5
How is it that you judge a man that you've never met? And who made you his master??? Check the prayer thread; you judge there.... Can you say "hypocrite"?
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 20, 2006 8:31:41 GMT -5
Your right I do judge this board at the prayer thread but not the sinners just the sins.I am flattered that I am the least of all on this board because that means that their must be ALOT that is very Christlike about me.I am a respecter of no mans person.I would not sell myself to the devil just to keep the boards interesting.Their are also a few people who are just plain jealous of me on this board.I know of two women imparticular and it shows.How flattering! "Look out she went out like a lamb but is coming back as a lion.Grab your sins and run for the hills!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 20, 2006 8:43:10 GMT -5
Jesussaves Said: Your right I do judge this board at the prayer thread but not the sinners just the sins.I am flattered that I am the least of all on this board because that means that their must be ALOT that is very Christlike about me.I am a respecter of no mans person.I would not sell myself to the devil just to keep the boards interesting.Their are also a few people who are just plain jealous of me on this board.I know of two women imparticular and it shows.How flattering!
You show yourself, by your words, to be puffed up with pride... the sin of satan.
Repent!
You as Simeon the Sorcerer who is still in the bonds of iniquity.
Repent!
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 20, 2006 8:46:09 GMT -5
Im like Jesus! And so proud of it!!!! Praise God!!!!
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 20, 2006 8:47:54 GMT -5
"Look out she's been tranformed to another glory and she doesn't care what man thinks!!!"
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 20, 2006 8:55:24 GMT -5
Wow!! Im an island!!! Cool!!!!
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Post by menorah on Aug 20, 2006 9:09:09 GMT -5
The wiles of the evil one.. haha
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 20, 2006 9:10:36 GMT -5
The wiles of the evil one.. haha How true, menorah...
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Post by jesussaves on Aug 20, 2006 9:18:06 GMT -5
Oh and Im not proud just flattered! YEEEEHAAAAW!
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Post by Kerrigan on Aug 20, 2006 9:22:31 GMT -5
jesussaves is obviously rebecca...
rebecca...are you demon possessed?
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 20, 2006 9:41:36 GMT -5
biblethumper,
I also think David Wilkerson's preaching and lifestyle are very solid. I think he is one of the most godly men in America. When did I ever say any thing to the contrary?
If you remember a while back, someone was asking if he was a false prophet and I defended him.
I think I made my point pretty well in my last point, and you defending David Wilkerson's minstry to me is irrevelant. He does not and has not preached to masses of homosexuals and does not believe in it (or at least that is what his ministry told us).
Why would I financially support a ministry for years where I was reading their newsletter if I did not think they were preaching solidly and living holy?
That is sort of a straw man argument at this point isn't it.
Why don't you or menorah address some of the many points and questions I have made in the previous posts?
Ministering to the homeless and drug addicts is not the same as ministering to homosexuals. I say this from experience.
Only people who are inexperienced in dealing with homosexuals would make many of the statements made on this board.
I have spent much time trying to explain these things, but none of this will make sense until people begin PREACHING to homosexuals.
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Post by biblethumper on Aug 20, 2006 9:51:44 GMT -5
Good point, Micah.
I see where you're coming from.
However, I preached three times (not many, I know) to the homosexual community here in Moncton and was yelled at, blown kisses, called names and mocked for my declaration that they need to repent and turn from sin.
I haven't experienced what you guys have in the USA, though.
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Post by menorah on Aug 20, 2006 9:56:03 GMT -5
All sin is sin thats what I see. Please explain I like to learn. I have spoken to homosexuals not as in a march indivdudallly.. and a transvestite once in the street. The Lord told me to go and speak.. one of those incidences.. he was working... interviewing. and no one would talk to him.. Its just when they are ignorant of truth as many are here in the Uk on the street.. they dont even know the basics.. it seems..They need to know Gods Love first.dont they.and then the fact God hates . meaning.. both sides of the coin.. Jesus died for them too.. but they have to repent. The he/she actually said he was born again and goes to church. Some churches accept this which is totally outrageous. Dan actually knows gays.. Moncton is rife with gays. Isnt God concerned with individuals .. the preaching at parades.. is to sow seeds of truth.. banners that will make them think.. did you listen to or watch the testimony of Yorrie Richards.. it was the seed sown because of a banner that was watered by much prayer in the local church... they were praying God save Yorrie? Not all will be saved its true.. but you are coming across maybe unintentionally of being hateful.. Please explain... I know on forums and messenger and emails...sometimes if we dont know the person we can be taken the totally wrong way.. I have many times so its good to explain. I also think its good to see what others are doing tell me more..
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Post by menorah on Aug 20, 2006 10:17:23 GMT -5
Rev K you are so clever! Strange place this forum lately .. this week.. infact... its gone mad! But I am sure we will all come out in the wash!
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 20, 2006 11:35:47 GMT -5
I have preached at parades before, but remember I preach weekly in an area that is infested with homosexuals. The police are frequently called upon by homosexuals when we are preaching no matter what we are preaching about.
When I was arrested back in March, the police were called by a homosexual store owner, and I was arrested by a homosexual police officer, and I was not even talking about homosexuality during the time before I was arrested.
My point is, we do know many of the homosexuals. We do not only preach to them. We talk to them individually. However, it is a very difficult thing to convince or get any of them to admit their lifestyle is wrong.
They are usually convinced (at least outwardly) that God is perfectly fine with their lifestyle, He loves them (yes He does love them in a general way, but remember hell is loaded with people God loved-they did not love Him), many say they are Christian and born again, and many do not think the Bible says anything against homosexuality. They are usually familiar with many of the passages that condemn them.
Menorah, I do appreciate your demeanor and humility on this board, and I believe you truly have a heart for God, but I strongly disagree with you on this subject.
Like all sinners, homosexuals need to realize first and foremost that God does not accept them as they are. In societies like the UK and USA, this is often branded by the media as being "hateful", and "intolerant". God is intolerant of sin and no respector of persons. I know you realize this but I believe you do not want to be perceived by homosexuals as being narrow minded or intolerant, so you overcompensate and thereby become ineffective in successfully communicating to them they are an abomination to God and God has nothing but displeasure for them and their lifestyle.
Read all through Romans 1 and you will find in no uncertain terms that homosexuals are people who have made a conscious decision to refuse the knowledge of God and give themselves over to vile affections. You are not dealing with people who are ignorant heathens on some far off land.
Yes, Jesus can save them and that should be preached and is always preached as far as I know by Ruben and everybody else I know.
I also believe many street preachers come across as mean spirited but Ruben is not one of them.
I attribute the mean-spirited demeanor to a lack of prayer and personal intimacy with God. However, I see nothing wrong or unbiblical in the message, only the person. No anointing on it.
However, the impression I am getting on here is you seem to think that everyone who preaches this message the homosexuals need to be hearing is mean spirited, hateful, doesn't pray, has no compassion, no anointing, etc.
In this I also think you are influenced by the media and not the Word of God.
Why do we always have to make a twenty minute apology before and after we tell homosexuals that God abhors them to let them know we are really saying this in love?
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 20, 2006 11:48:23 GMT -5
menorah,
One more thing. I am not saying this in an insensitive way, because I deal with this myself also, but I believe if you acknowledge that what I am saying is true, you are going to get in a lot of trouble sooner or later.
I think that can also have an influence on how we think.
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Post by menorah on Aug 20, 2006 12:41:13 GMT -5
Really I loathe all sin. When hearing gays to be honest I cringe so I am not tolerant of them, it amazes me how they can think its okay. I have given my mouth to the Lord and I am up for whatever he tells me to say and have done so in the past and been accused of being devisive et etc as you know what thats like. I will stand alone if need be on truth. I agree we will get into big trouble no doubt about it. The Lord had me tell a total stranger to repent for looking at porno one time. I was wrestling with it not because I didnt want to speak it out but to be sure it was the Lord and not me. It was spot on and I did speak it to his shock. I am not afraid to speak out. I am not influenced by media or anything like that. Infact I am anti world system or any false system come to that. I think you may have taken me wrong as I have you. And yes that was my point exactly re prayer. I believe we are actually on the same wavelength. We have been invited to preach at a nightclub in London anytime soon please pray for us. Nope I cant stand tolerating sin in any form. And I loathe the sickly churches that do not address sin.
I stood against my own family aged 16 and the elders of the JWs. My own mother hates me for coming out of the JWs and sticking for truth. I am the "black sheep": she has continued to tell my other half brothers and sisters I am of the devil and doesnt talk to me or my full brother who is also born again even though she came over from the US this year.. she has not seen her great grandson or even got to know my children... Infact she specifically came over to warn my half sister not to listen to me.. this year all the way from the states.. But Glory to God that sister got saved a few weeks back and wishes she had years ago.. she knows its truth !
I am nearly 50 now and still learning my family disowned me at 16.. well my mother and step family.. I am also a single parent of 4 and a grandmother. (Not that you want to know my life story) My first partner was murdered. I backslid for a few years because of going to a dead church and being rebellious in that the Lord specifically told me not to marry my x even showing me what would happen I reaped what I had sown. But it was when I repented from my heart the Lord bought me to a different place in Him. I am raring to go wherever the Lord leads..I also teach my 13 and 15 year old Christian education at home. I went to Moncton with my two youngest in faith a couple of years back and the Lord moved in the miraculous in provision and healing. I met with him in an awesome way by trusting him alone. Others thought I was mad. Coming back to the UK you can literally feel the Spirit of Antichrist and the suction of the system trying to get you into it. Thanks for your comments. An old man of 64 was arrested here in the UK for preaching againts homosexual marriage this year.. the gays ganged up on him and threw dirt and stones at him. until he fell over.. and yet he was the one arrested!! Come on over!! UK is dead and in need of street preachers! I am still in training and thats for life.
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Post by menorah on Aug 20, 2006 14:14:57 GMT -5
Missions is not the ultimate goal of the church. Worship is. Missions exists because worship doesn't. Worship is ultimate, not missions, because God is ultimate, not man. When this age is over, and the countless millions of the redeemed fall on their faces before the throne of God, missions will be no more. It is a temporary necessity. But worship abides forever. Worship, therefore, is the fuel and goal in missions. It's the goal of missions because in missions we simply aim to bring the nations into the white-hot enjoyment of God's glory. The goal of missions is the gladness of the peoples in the greatness of God. "The Lord reigns; let the people rejoice; let the many coastlands be glad!" (Psalms 67:3-4). But worship is also the fuel of missions. Passion for God in worship precedes the offer of God in preaching. You can't commend what you don't cherish. Missionaries will never call out, "Let the nations be glad!," who cannot say from the heart, "I rejoice in the Lord…I will be glad and exult in thee, I will sing praises to thy name, O Most High" (Psalm 104:34; 9:2). Missions begins and ends in worship. If the pursuit of God's glory is not ordered above the pursuit of man's good in the affections of the heart and the priorities of the church, man will not be well served and God will not be duly honored. I am not pleading for a diminishing of missions but for a magnifying of God. When the flame of worship burns with the heat of God's true worth, the light of missions will shine to the most remote peoples on earth. And I long for that day to come!
John Piper thought you would love this!
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Post by messengermicah on Aug 20, 2006 22:05:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the post menorah. I am glad we can communicate openly on here and I appreciate your humility, patience, and openness.
I would love to come to the UK. I am so sad at what has happened spiritually over there. The spiritual heritage of the UK is amazing.
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