Post by wanderingtrekker on Apr 10, 2006 23:28:13 GMT -5
[Continued from above]
No I am not. Truth is not relative. Repeating something does not make it true.
Very good. I'm glad you know where you stand, but that doesn't mean that everybody else needs to subscribe to it too.
Sinner, it's rebellion to question God's Word!
I imagine that would make it rebellion to question the existence of said deity, yes? This is a similar arguement to one which says that it is unpatriotic to question the President. Well, Thomas Jefferson said that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." If you never question you never grow. Remember Howard Zinn's warning: "historically, the most terrible things--war, genocide, and slavery--have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience."
The only ultimate presupposition that is self-attesting is the Word of God. Because of that, I am able to say Hitler, Osama, the KKK are wrong because God says they are wrong. I have rational ground to condemn such things - God's Word.
Again, I am glad that you know from where your morals come, but that doesn't mean that everybody's morals have to come from the same place. And yes, according to the manner by which you have definded morality, you do have rational ground to condem the aforementioned things, but then so do I using my own definition of morality.
Biblical Christianity is the only world-view that makes sense and is not absurd in it's ultimate outcome.
It may be the only worldview that makes sense to you, but that doesn't mean that it is the only valid view of the world.
Gregor, you are standing upon sinking sand. Only Jesus Christ is the solid rock. Turn from all your sins and turn to Jesus Christ.
Well, I don't know about that. I'm sure the thought has crossed Gregor's mind at least once, though I'm not sure your argument was pursuasive enough to make him reconsider, especially considering how much emotional damage has probably ensued from the teachings of a misguided and ill-informed church.
Your foundational presupposition in which you are building all your views is that you
are autonomous, that you can make up your own truth.
are autonomous, that you can make up your own truth.
No I am not. Truth is not relative. Repeating something does not make it true.
My ultimate, foundational presupposition is the Word of God - God says it and I
believe it.
believe it.
Very good. I'm glad you know where you stand, but that doesn't mean that everybody else needs to subscribe to it too.
Sinner, it's rebellion to question God's Word!
I imagine that would make it rebellion to question the existence of said deity, yes? This is a similar arguement to one which says that it is unpatriotic to question the President. Well, Thomas Jefferson said that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." If you never question you never grow. Remember Howard Zinn's warning: "historically, the most terrible things--war, genocide, and slavery--have resulted not from disobedience, but from obedience."
The only ultimate presupposition that is self-attesting is the Word of God. Because of that, I am able to say Hitler, Osama, the KKK are wrong because God says they are wrong. I have rational ground to condemn such things - God's Word.
Again, I am glad that you know from where your morals come, but that doesn't mean that everybody's morals have to come from the same place. And yes, according to the manner by which you have definded morality, you do have rational ground to condem the aforementioned things, but then so do I using my own definition of morality.
Biblical Christianity is the only world-view that makes sense and is not absurd in it's ultimate outcome.
It may be the only worldview that makes sense to you, but that doesn't mean that it is the only valid view of the world.
Gregor, you are standing upon sinking sand. Only Jesus Christ is the solid rock. Turn from all your sins and turn to Jesus Christ.
Well, I don't know about that. I'm sure the thought has crossed Gregor's mind at least once, though I'm not sure your argument was pursuasive enough to make him reconsider, especially considering how much emotional damage has probably ensued from the teachings of a misguided and ill-informed church.